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What units around the country are currently long-term out of use?

I can think of 165003, 165130, 197004, 197110, 777004. Some of these may have reentered service.

How many more are there?
 
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395008 - Out of use since just before Christmas last year following the derailment at Ramsgate
 

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What units around the country are currently long-term out of use?

I can think of 165003, 165130, 197004, 197110, 777004. Some of these may have reentered service.

How many more are there?

What is the reason for the 197s to be out of service long term?
 

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Every remaining Class 465/2 is in storage and has been for a very long time/
 

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There seemed to be about four or five 156/153's stored North of Ely. Complete waste given the amount of short forming going on.
 

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What units around the country are currently long-term out of use?

I can think of 165003, 165130, 197004, 197110, 777004. Some of these may have reentered service.

How many more are there?

I guess it depends upon how long is long-term? 165113 has been out of use since mid June but maybe that is not long enough? I would have thought that 387107 would count though as it is well over a year, 387107 Stabled at Hornsey Depot (arrived 19/07/2024 23:59)
 

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Considering the state of Varamis I would class all of their 321's are out of use. Even without their current financial troubles they still have a few units at willesden that aren't mail converted and have never run under Varamis , if I remember correctly these units are 321339, 321341, 321334 321407 and 321440

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The train database spreadsheet has this listed under "Out of Service", although that also includes units under refurbishment or other things.
I occasionally take a backup of the sheet so I can filter it to work on my trainspotting spreadsheet, so as of 30/08/2025, here are the non-locomotives listed as out of service (it also has some metro and carriage stock at the bottom)
TrainOperatorLiveryStatus
139012Very Light Rail National Innovation CentreTurquoise
150005NorthernNorthern White & BlueFormed of 150117 & 52223 (ex 150223), at Wolverton
150107NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150110NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150218NorthernNorthern White & BlueFire damaged, under repair
150219Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)Back at Wolverton
150232Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)At Wolverton
150238Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)
150275NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
153312Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Landore
153327Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Crewe, to be coupled with 153568 as Active Travel Set AT06
153568Transport for WalesTransport for Wales Active TravelBeing converted to 'active travel' bike train, to be coupled with 153327 as Active Travel Set AT06. Ex 153368/153968
155346NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
156484NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
156491NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
158824Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158841 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158841Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158824 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158864East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands Trains WhiteStruck fallen tree 27/9/24
158866East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Bristol Barton Hill
158906NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Crewe for repair/overhaul
165003Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysStored in Aylesbury Depot since 04/24, parts used to repair 165025
165011Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysAt Doncaster Works
165024Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysFormed of 58874, 55409 (165034) & 58851 (165018), stored at Banbury Depot
165130Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway GreenAt St. Philip's Marsh, awaiting components
168004Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168107Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways Mainline
168218Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168329Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineEx 170309/170399 - In Aylesbury Depot
170103CrossCountryCrossCountry Revised Pride
170504East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Crewe
175007Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
175114Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
195104NorthernNorthern White & BlueDerailed at Grange-over-Sands 22/3/24
196009West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196010West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196011West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196012West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
197110Transport for WalesTransport for Wales
220033CrossCountryCrossCountryUndergoing refurbishment at Derby
323243NorthernNorthern White & BlueWMR interior
331013NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Derby
333005NorthernNorthern White & BlueTrainFX PIS
334004ScotRailScotRail SaltireAt Wolverton Works for refurbishment
350233West Midlands TrainsLondon MidlandFlood damaged at Northampton; formed including 61546 (ex 350246)
357030c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
357040c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
360107East Midlands RailwayEMR Connect Luton Airport ExpressUnder refurbishment at Northampton
373999EurostarEurostarSpare Powercar
378201London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378208London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378228London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378231London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)
379003Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379004Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379005Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379008Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379018Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379019Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379021Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
387101Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Fitted with ETCS equipment
387107Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Under repair
395008SoutheasternSoutheastern BlueDerailed at Ramsgate
455708South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedAt Bournemouth
455750South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedEx 455743, at Bournemouth
465005SoutheasternSoutheastern White/Blue
465908SoutheasternNetwork SouthEastAt Derby
720568Greater AngliaGreater AngliaAt Derby
777004MerseyrailMerseyrail
769452NorthernTransport for Wales (debranded)Converted from 319452
769456NorthernNorthernConverted from 319456, at Kilmarnock for C4/C6 overhaul
769922PorterbrookBlueConverted from 319422
80​
Docklands Light RailwayDLR Red/Blue
3053​
Manchester MetrolinkManchester Metrolink Silver/YellowUnder repair after collision with bus
12621Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineSpare MK3
12214LNERLNER InterCitySpare MK4 TSOE
82215LNERLNER InterCitySpare DVT
HD02Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12219, TSD 12304, RSB 10305, FOD 11324, TSO 12447, DVT 82220
HD08Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12215, TSD 12308, RSB 10328, FOD 11316, TSO 12526; Spare Set
10307Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare RSB
12229Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare TSOE
82204Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare DVT
82206Transport For WalesEx VTECParts Donor
82220Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWith HD02, Previously Spare DVT, now replacing 82229
82229Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWas with HD02, now Spare DVT following collision
CH02Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11502, 12704, 12705, 12706, 12814 - At Eastleigh; Driving Trailer 12802 at Long Marston
CH05Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11505, 12713, 12714, 12715, 12805 - At Eastleigh
 

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I guess it depends upon how long is long-term? 165113 has been out of use since mid June but maybe that is not long enough? I would have thought that 387107 would count though as it is well over a year, 387107 Stabled at Hornsey Depot (arrived 19/07/2024 23:59)

Could add 387101 as well. Been out of use for ETCS work for some while now.
 

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Could add 387101 as well. Been out of use for ETCS work for some while now.
Not surprising given that this is an integration of Alstom equipment onto a Bombardier unit. Not to mention the timescales of other contemporary ETCS FiC (first in class) fitments - Class 66 and Class 67 in particular.
 

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Are these the 156s rejected by Northern? I believe 407/907, 497 and 498.
It's 156470/473/497/498 at Ely. Not so much rejected by Northern, as Northern not being authorised by DfT to take them.

156907 was rejected due to the amount of rebuilding required to make it fit for service.
 

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The train database spreadsheet has this listed under "Out of Service", although that also includes units under refurbishment or other things.
I occasionally take a backup of the sheet so I can filter it to work on my trainspotting spreadsheet, so as of 30/08/2025, here are the non-locomotives listed as out of service (it also has some metro and carriage stock at the bottom)
TrainOperatorLiveryStatus
139012Very Light Rail National Innovation CentreTurquoise
150005NorthernNorthern White & BlueFormed of 150117 & 52223 (ex 150223), at Wolverton
150107NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150110NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150218NorthernNorthern White & BlueFire damaged, under repair
150219Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)Back at Wolverton
150232Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)At Wolverton
150238Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)
150275NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
153312Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Landore
153327Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Crewe, to be coupled with 153568 as Active Travel Set AT06
153568Transport for WalesTransport for Wales Active TravelBeing converted to 'active travel' bike train, to be coupled with 153327 as Active Travel Set AT06. Ex 153368/153968
155346NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
156484NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
156491NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
158824Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158841 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158841Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158824 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158864East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands Trains WhiteStruck fallen tree 27/9/24
158866East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Bristol Barton Hill
158906NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Crewe for repair/overhaul
165003Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysStored in Aylesbury Depot since 04/24, parts used to repair 165025
165011Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysAt Doncaster Works
165024Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysFormed of 58874, 55409 (165034) & 58851 (165018), stored at Banbury Depot
165130Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway GreenAt St. Philip's Marsh, awaiting components
168004Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168107Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways Mainline
168218Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168329Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineEx 170309/170399 - In Aylesbury Depot
170103CrossCountryCrossCountry Revised Pride
170504East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Crewe
175007Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
175114Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
195104NorthernNorthern White & BlueDerailed at Grange-over-Sands 22/3/24
196009West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196010West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196011West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196012West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
197110Transport for WalesTransport for Wales
220033CrossCountryCrossCountryUndergoing refurbishment at Derby
323243NorthernNorthern White & BlueWMR interior
331013NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Derby
333005NorthernNorthern White & BlueTrainFX PIS
334004ScotRailScotRail SaltireAt Wolverton Works for refurbishment
350233West Midlands TrainsLondon MidlandFlood damaged at Northampton; formed including 61546 (ex 350246)
357030c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
357040c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
360107East Midlands RailwayEMR Connect Luton Airport ExpressUnder refurbishment at Northampton
373999EurostarEurostarSpare Powercar
378201London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378208London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378228London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378231London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)
379003Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379004Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379005Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379008Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379018Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379019Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379021Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
387101Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Fitted with ETCS equipment
387107Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Under repair
395008SoutheasternSoutheastern BlueDerailed at Ramsgate
455708South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedAt Bournemouth
455750South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedEx 455743, at Bournemouth
465005SoutheasternSoutheastern White/Blue
465908SoutheasternNetwork SouthEastAt Derby
720568Greater AngliaGreater AngliaAt Derby
777004MerseyrailMerseyrail
769452NorthernTransport for Wales (debranded)Converted from 319452
769456NorthernNorthernConverted from 319456, at Kilmarnock for C4/C6 overhaul
769922PorterbrookBlueConverted from 319422
80​
Docklands Light RailwayDLR Red/Blue
3053​
Manchester MetrolinkManchester Metrolink Silver/YellowUnder repair after collision with bus
12621Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineSpare MK3
12214LNERLNER InterCitySpare MK4 TSOE
82215LNERLNER InterCitySpare DVT
HD02Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12219, TSD 12304, RSB 10305, FOD 11324, TSO 12447, DVT 82220
HD08Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12215, TSD 12308, RSB 10328, FOD 11316, TSO 12526; Spare Set
10307Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare RSB
12229Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare TSOE
82204Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare DVT
82206Transport For WalesEx VTECParts Donor
82220Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWith HD02, Previously Spare DVT, now replacing 82229
82229Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWas with HD02, now Spare DVT following collision
CH02Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11502, 12704, 12705, 12706, 12814 - At Eastleigh; Driving Trailer 12802 at Long Marston
CH05Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11505, 12713, 12714, 12715, 12805 - At Eastleigh
Thank you, that's very helpful.
 

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156907 was rejected due to the amount of rebuilding required to make it fit for service.
156407 [having reverted to its original number] has been sighted at Long Marston - not a surprise seeing as it’s a Porterbrook unit.
 

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Out of interest where is 195104 located at the moment and when will it be back in service?
 

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The train database spreadsheet has this listed under "Out of Service", although that also includes units under refurbishment or other things.
I occasionally take a backup of the sheet so I can filter it to work on my trainspotting spreadsheet, so as of 30/08/2025, here are the non-locomotives listed as out of service (it also has some metro and carriage stock at the bottom)
TrainOperatorLiveryStatus
139012Very Light Rail National Innovation CentreTurquoise
150005NorthernNorthern White & BlueFormed of 150117 & 52223 (ex 150223), at Wolverton
150107NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150110NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
150218NorthernNorthern White & BlueFire damaged, under repair
150219Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)Back at Wolverton
150232Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)At Wolverton
150238Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway (Revised)
150275NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
153312Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Landore
153327Transport for WalesTransport for WalesAt Crewe, to be coupled with 153568 as Active Travel Set AT06
153568Transport for WalesTransport for Wales Active TravelBeing converted to 'active travel' bike train, to be coupled with 153327 as Active Travel Set AT06. Ex 153368/153968
155346NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Long Marston
156484NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
156491NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Wolverton
158824Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158841 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158841Transport for WalesTransport for WalesCollided with 158824 at Talerddig 21/10/24
158864East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands Trains WhiteStruck fallen tree 27/9/24
158866East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Bristol Barton Hill
158906NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Crewe for repair/overhaul
165003Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysStored in Aylesbury Depot since 04/24, parts used to repair 165025
165011Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysAt Doncaster Works
165024Chiltern RailwaysChiltern RailwaysFormed of 58874, 55409 (165034) & 58851 (165018), stored at Banbury Depot
165130Great Western RailwayGreat Western Railway GreenAt St. Philip's Marsh, awaiting components
168004Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168107Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways Mainline
168218Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways RevisedUnder refurbishment at Crewe
168329Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineEx 170309/170399 - In Aylesbury Depot
170103CrossCountryCrossCountry Revised Pride
170504East Midlands RailwayEast Midlands RailwayUnder refurbishment at Crewe
175007Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
175114Great Western RailwayTransport for WalesAt Laira
195104NorthernNorthern White & BlueDerailed at Grange-over-Sands 22/3/24
196009West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196010West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196011West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
196012West Midlands TrainsWest Midlands RailwayTo be used on EWR
197110Transport for WalesTransport for Wales
220033CrossCountryCrossCountryUndergoing refurbishment at Derby
323243NorthernNorthern White & BlueWMR interior
331013NorthernNorthern White & BlueAt Derby
333005NorthernNorthern White & BlueTrainFX PIS
334004ScotRailScotRail SaltireAt Wolverton Works for refurbishment
350233West Midlands TrainsLondon MidlandFlood damaged at Northampton; formed including 61546 (ex 350246)
357030c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
357040c2cc2cAt Ilford for repaint
360107East Midlands RailwayEMR Connect Luton Airport ExpressUnder refurbishment at Northampton
373999EurostarEurostarSpare Powercar
378201London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378208London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378228London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)At Widnes
378231London OvergroundLondon Overground (new version)
379003Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379004Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379005Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379008Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379018Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379019Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
379021Great NorthernNational Express WhiteAt Hornsey EMUD
387101Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Fitted with ETCS equipment
387107Great NorthernWhite with Green Doors (Great Northern)Under repair
395008SoutheasternSoutheastern BlueDerailed at Ramsgate
455708South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedAt Bournemouth
455750South Western RailwaySouth West Trains RedEx 455743, at Bournemouth
465005SoutheasternSoutheastern White/Blue
465908SoutheasternNetwork SouthEastAt Derby
720568Greater AngliaGreater AngliaAt Derby
777004MerseyrailMerseyrail
769452NorthernTransport for Wales (debranded)Converted from 319452
769456NorthernNorthernConverted from 319456, at Kilmarnock for C4/C6 overhaul
769922PorterbrookBlueConverted from 319422
80​
Docklands Light RailwayDLR Red/Blue
3053​
Manchester MetrolinkManchester Metrolink Silver/YellowUnder repair after collision with bus
12621Chiltern RailwaysChiltern Railways MainlineSpare MK3
12214LNERLNER InterCitySpare MK4 TSOE
82215LNERLNER InterCitySpare DVT
HD02Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12219, TSD 12304, RSB 10305, FOD 11324, TSO 12447, DVT 82220
HD08Transport For WalesEx VTECFormed TSOE 12215, TSD 12308, RSB 10328, FOD 11316, TSO 12526; Spare Set
10307Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare RSB
12229Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare TSOE
82204Transport For WalesEx VTECSpare DVT
82206Transport For WalesEx VTECParts Donor
82220Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWith HD02, Previously Spare DVT, now replacing 82229
82229Transport For WalesTransport For WalesWas with HD02, now Spare DVT following collision
CH02Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11502, 12704, 12705, 12706, 12814 - At Eastleigh; Driving Trailer 12802 at Long Marston
CH05Chiltern RailwaysGreyFormed 11505, 12713, 12714, 12715, 12805 - At Eastleigh
How long has 155346 been at Long Marston? Is it game over for this unit?
 

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395008 - Out of use since just before Christmas last year following the derailment at Ramsgate
What's the sit rep with this being repaired?
Every remaining Class 465/2 is in storage and has been for a very long time/
Apart from 241, 242 and 247, which are long-term stored at Worksop AIUI, all the 465/2s have now been scrapped.
The train database spreadsheet has this listed under "Out of Service", although that also includes units under refurbishment or other things.
In your table, 465908 is back in service.
 

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769922 is mentioned in the table above, but surely almost the whole of the 769/9 fleet has been stored since their conversion some years ago. GWR ran test trains, but never used them in passenger service. AFAIK a small number have been moved for potential re-use in some form.
 
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