Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[simon7929]

Unit 420 is currently at Wolverton having bodywork repairs. Unit 402 has just come back from Brodies and is now at Heaton.

 

[reecestrains]

How many 333s have got the upgrades so far?

006, 007 and 013 have definitely got them so far.

 

[ScottGallagher]

Just on a Northern ex EMR 156 on the cumbrian coast, forgot how much of a difference carpet makes to the interior!

 

[Harvey B]

How many 333s have got the upgrades so far?

006, 007 and 013 have definitely got them so far.

@Adam0984 @skyhigh can either of you give a more exact answer?

 

[sbrignall72]

I see there is a 5S08 Heaton to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot tomorrow. Does anyone know which unit is scheduled to operate this working. MTIA

 

[diligentdave]

I see there is a 5S08 Heaton to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot tomorrow. Does anyone know which unit is scheduled to operate this working. MTIA

156481. Move caped but possibly now Monday.

 

[sbrignall72]

I take it with 150128 going up to Kilmarnock to pick up 150218, then 150218 is not fit to run on its own yet. Does it need more work or test runs

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156481. Move caped but possibly now Monday.

How long is it expected to be up there fir

 

[diligentdave]

I take it with 150128 going up to Kilmarnock to pick up 150218, then 150218 is not fit to run on its own yet. Does it need more work or test runs

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How long is it expected to be up there fir

So, 150218 has been out of service for 600 plus days. With the extensive rebuild and rewire that it's had, would you run it down the WCML on it's own? That's why 150128 was sent to lead on the way back.

156481 should be about 3 weeks (ish).

 

[Liam L]

Any news on the start of the 323 refurbs for ex WMR sets?

 

[FrontSideBus]

If I'm being brutally honest... I prefer the WMR interiors over the Northern "Refurb" job...

 

[sbrignall72]

So, 150218 has been out of service for 600 plus days. With the extensive rebuild and rewire that it's had, would you run it down the WCML on it's own? That's why 150128 was sent to lead on the way back.

156481 should be about 3 weeks (ish).

Thank you diligentdave

 

[simon7929]

Looks like 156402 has gone back to the NW. Out today according to RT.

 

[E B]

@Adam0984 @skyhigh can either of you give a more exact answer?

333008 still has the old PIS System.

 

[Liam L]

If I'm being brutally honest... I prefer the WMR interiors over the Northern "Refurb" job...

As (at times) a bias West Midlander I agree, however I believe (and to a degree I agree) that many think they are looking very worn out and are worse for wear after years on the cross city. To be fair, the units were in the west midlands for longer for intended so maybe that was why not much of job was done of them compared to Northern ones which were refurbed at the same time.

 

[BurtonM]

As (at times) a bias West Midlander I agree, however I believe (and to a degree I agree) that many think they are looking very worn out and are worse for wear after years on the cross city. To be fair, the units were in the west midlands for longer for intended so maybe that was why not much of job was done of them compared to Northern ones which were refurbed at the same time.

The poor fit and finish, lack attention to detail, and poor quality of materials, harsh lighting etc generally mean a Northern 'refurbishment' makes trains worse than they were before.

 

[Harvey B]

333008 still has the old PIS System.

Do you have a full list of which ones still have the old system?

 

[E B]

Do you have a full list of which ones still have the old system?

Unfortunately not. But I believe 004 still has the old system aswell. I am at Leeds Station at the moment so I can have a look for some more

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Unfortunately not. But I believe 004 still has the old system aswell. I am at Leeds Station at the moment so I can have a look for some more

009, 011, 015 all have the old system

 

[sbrignall72]

I see there is a 5S08 Neville Hill to Kilmarnock working today. Is it another 3 car going for retrospective repairs. Seeing as only just been for a refurbishment.

 

[diligentdave]

I see there is a 5S08 Neville Hill to Kilmarnock working today. Is it another 3 car going for retrospective repairs. Seeing as only just been for a refurbishment.

That was 156481. It had to move to Neville Hill beforehand because of ROG's driver operating hours would of been exceeded if it was sent from Heaton the previous day.

 

[BurtonM]

Refurbishment Will be commencing starting from next month realistically. On the 323 Interiors.

As reported elsewhere, unfortunately Northern are indeed planning to "refurbish" the WM 323s.

I wish they'd consider just replacing the moquette and warm white lighting, but we all know what's going to happen - appliance white paint, bad masking, and stark cold white LEDs.

 

[skyhigh]

@Adam0984 @skyhigh can either of you give a more exact answer?

I have been on sick leave so unfortunately can't confirm the exact units completed.

001, 010 have definitely been done now as well as the previously mentioned units and 005 isn't far off return to service.

 

[sbrignall72]

Reports of a derailment on NH this morning any details to what is involved

 

[LowLevel]

Reports of a derailment on NH this morning any details to what is involved

150225 and 150148 on the 5J80 empties off 2W80 I think.

 

[sbrignall72]

Again one for diligentdave as it is a month since last asked. Are there any expected back dates for the following units.
150005
150107
150110
150275
155346
156420
156484
156491
195104

MTIA

 

[diligentdave]

Again one for diligentdave as it is a month since last asked. Are there any expected back dates for the following units.
150005 - First week of Oct
150107 - Mid December
150110 - Second week of November
150275 - Middle of October
155346 - Last week of September (supposedly)
156420 - 1st week of November
156484 - End of November
156491 - End of September
195104 - Don't ask, not worth it until 2027.

MTIA

 

[sbrignall72]

Thank you diligentdave

 

[Geeves]

Just passed 156452 at Crewe on its way to Wolverton from Newton Heath. 5H70

 

[sbrignall72]

Just passed 156452 at Crewe on its way to Wolverton from Newton Heath. 5H70

Is it for overhaul or corrosion repairs.

 

[Ribbleman]

I can understand that it is difficult to estimate how long it will take to carry out repairs to 195104, given the nature of the incident and the fact that nobody has had to carry out such rectification work on a CAF unit before. However, given that it was indisputably a permanent way defect with the blame laid at the door of Network Rail, why did it take so long (since March 2024,) to arrange for repairs to commence? Presumably NR will be paying for the damage to be put right. Will they also cover the leasing cost and/or compensation to Northern for the lack of availability of the set until it returns to service?

 

[Harvey B]

I can understand that it is difficult to estimate how long it will take to carry out repairs to 195104, given the nature of the incident and the fact that nobody has had to carry out such rectification work on a CAF unit before. However, given that it was indisputably a permanent way defect with the blame laid at the door of Network Rail, why did it take so long (since March 2024,) to arrange for repairs to commence? Presumably NR will be paying for the damage to be put right. Will they also cover the leasing cost and/or compensation to Northern for the lack of availability of the set until it returns to service?

What about the other 195 that was involved in this accident (195133)? Has that unit returned to service?