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[bramling]

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I never really understand these "pathing allowances". I sort of assume they are some kind of padding introduced into the timings. However, often the allowance is much larger than any gap between timing points. Here for example, where does that 10 minutes go or come from? It's more than the 4.5 minutes allowed for between Bellingham & Catford, for example. The prediction for the late running train thinks it can get from BEC to CTF in one minute vs the 6 in the schedule but again that's less than 10. Is the 10 somehow spread over multiple points?

RTTT adds its own timing points on the day. If you look at the same schedule for a date in the future then the timings should make more sense.

Pathing time is time added because the normal running times would conflict with another service - either a slower moving service ahead, or at a junction. So in essence if everything is running as booked, the train with 10 minutes pathing time will incur an extra 10 minutes of signal checks between the two points. Or, if the conflicting service(s) aren’t running, then it will arrive 10 minutes early at the next timing point. Or in different circumstances if the train is running late then it could theoretically make up 10 minutes.

 

[MrJeeves]

Is the 10 somehow spread over multiple points?

To be more explicit than the other replies, yes that's exactly it. RTT will spread some allowances across the timing points which RTT adds between the two timing points in the actual official schedule from Network Rail.

 

[BRX]

Thanks for the explanations. So is it only the times with a white background that are supplied by NR and all those with a green background are filled in by RTT?

 

[Waterlemon]

Thanks for the explanations. So is it only the times with a white background that are supplied by NR and all those with a green background are filled in by RTT?

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No those are stops. The times in the 2nd time column is black are timing points. Woking is a timing point but West Byfleet isnt

 

[MerlinRail 804]

Thanks for the explanations. So is it only the times with a white background that are supplied by NR and all those with a green background are filled in by RTT?

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Not quite. White background are stops, green background is passing. The times in black font are included in the WTT and the grey ones are estimates from RTT

 

[Watershed]

Thanks for the explanations. So is it only the times with a white background that are supplied by NR and all those with a green background are filled in by RTT?

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The timings in black are in the schedule data. The timings in grey are interpolated by RTT. To be honest the difference in colour is very slight, I think it would help to have more contrast.

 

[Tom]

The timings in black are in the schedule data. The timings in grey are interpolated by RTT. To be honest the difference in colour is very slight, I think it would help to have more contrast.

We've evaluated this. Any further change in opacity really makes it harder to read - and near on impossible for partially sighted users in our testing.

 

[MerlinRail 804]

We've evaluated this. Any further change in opacity really makes it harder to read - and near on impossible for partially sighted users in our testing.

Would italics work?

 

[Freightmaster]

Thanks for the explanations. So is it only the times with a white background that are supplied by NR and all those with a green background are filled in by RTT?

To add to everyone else's replies, here is an example of a future freight schedule from Dollands Moor:

Realtime Trains | 6M41 0653 Dollands Moor (Gbrf) to Daventry Gbrf | 10/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 6M41 0653 departure from Dollands Moor (Gbrf) to Daventry Gbrf on 10/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

...for you to compare the timing points with 6Q24 last night which you originally asked about:

Realtime Trains | 6Q24 2210 Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 06/08/2025

Real-time train running information for 6Q24 2210 departure from Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 06/08/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

MARK

 

[TheSel]

Please forgive me if this has come up before (I'm afraid I haven't got time to wade through 2500+ posts), but would it be possible to have a more meaningful description of Corwen than 'Gorsaf Bws / Bus Stn' for the CRS code 'CEN'? 'Gorsaf' - as you probably know - is Welsh for 'station', so at 1346, this bus arrives at a seemingly random bus station - nicely shown bilingually, but not geographically.

It's is not blindingly obvious where this timetabled bus service goes after it's connection to the rail networks at Bangor (Gwynedd) [BNG] and Betws-y-Coed [BYC].

(Link below illustrates a service at 1205 from Bangor (Gwynedd) to "Gorsaf Bws / Bus Stn'.

 

[chrisjo]

would it be possible to have a more meaningful description of Corwen than 'Gorsaf Bws / Bus Stn'

I expect that'll be what it says in the data feed that RTT uses. Maybe you would need to direct your query to the source, not the messenger?

 

[43025 Exeter]

A lot of GWR allocations missing, mostly on Exmouth.

 

[milooo]

This would be interesting! Wonder how this got up Stoke on its previous service!

 

[hexagon789]

This would be interesting!

Believe it's 91106, and not some very judicious downhill coasting...

 

[Sun Chariot]

This would be interesting!

Possibly same consist as this morning's 1Y00 York to Kings Cross (91109).
Definitely no carriage-coasting or hand-pushing required!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Presumably LNER have either not uploaded the locomotive allocations to the systems yet or they haven't fed through?

 

[misar]

This has probably been asked before but I can't find it in the previous 85 pages. What are the advantages (if any) of using the free Realtime Trains Pull API instead of one of the Darwin feeds?

 

[Siemens Staines]

A lot of GWR allocations missing, mostly on Exmouth.

After nearly three days, the issue with missing GWR DMU & Castle allocations looks to have been fixed. The missing allocations for Saturday and Sunday have also been uploaded.

 

[GBM]

Quite a few unit allocations missing today from GWR. Missing them when they're not there!

 

[Penmorfa]

Just looked at RTT and seen this message:

Purchase Required​

You need to purchase a ticket to access this page.

More information​

We're in the process of launching a new subscription service to Realtime Trains.

This means that some functionality that unofficially worked before will be officially supported as part of a subscription service. You've accessed one of those pages.

The page I'm trying to access shows any freight trains through my nearest station on any given day. Does anyone have any idea of subscription charges?

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This is the link in question:

Realtime Trains | Departures from Rhyl all day on 01/04/2025

Train information at Rhyl all day on 01/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Kite159]

No wonder why the adverts have been ramped up as of late, to encourage people who use RTT for more professional purposes to buy subscriptions to remove said adverts (mainly for Nissan SUVs & dodgy clickbait about various celebrities)

 

[Tom]

The page I'm trying to access shows any freight trains through my nearest station on any given day.

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, we are working towards launching a subscription product. It is over and above the existing functionality on the site and doesn't remove anything. We've made a change earlier today to facilitate some of the changes we need to make behind the scenes to enable the launch of this which is coming soon. As part of that change, we've actually added functionality to increase location history from 7 to 14 days.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Rhyl all day on 01/04/2025

Train information at Rhyl all day on 01/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This link is for a search from 1st April 2025 which won't work because it's over 14 days ago.

No wonder why the adverts have been ramped up as of late, to encourage people who use RTT for more professional purposes to buy subscriptions to remove said adverts (mainly for Nissan SUVs & dodgy clickbait about various celebrities)

There is only one minor trial going on around advertising and is an experiment about ad placement on mobile. Anything else is from the usual mess that is advertising and if you find a disagreeable ad then there is an exclamation mark normally somewhere on the right hand side with which you can report them.

 

[Penmorfa]

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, we are working towards launching a subscription product. It is over and above the existing functionality on the site and doesn't remove anything. We've made a change earlier today to facilitate some of the changes we need to make behind the scenes to enable the launch of this which is coming soon. As part of that change, we've actually added functionality to increase location history from 7 to 14 days.


This link is for a search from 1st April 2025 which won't work because it's over 14 days ago.

I'm fully aware of that. Which is why I alter the day I need rather then typing it all in again.

 

[Tom]

I'll be honest, it seems illogical to me to bookmark something that you know will stop working in a number of days after you make the query. That is why the page went to a full redirect to an error page. It doesn't seem like much of a problem to re-enter the query - given the only additional filter over location and time is ZZ, which I would add won't actually capture all freight trains these days.

However I've re-added the search box to those pages for now.

 

[class504]

.....As part of that change, we've actually added functionality to increase location history from 7 to 14 days.

While that is a welcome improvement it compares poorly with one of your subscription competitors that offers over 5 years of history.

 

[ainsworth74]

While that is a welcome improvement it compares poorly with one of your subscription competitors that offers over 5 years of history.

How do you know the RTT subscription product won't offer over 5 years of history as well?

 

[Tom]

While that is a welcome improvement it compares poorly with one of your subscription competitors that offers over 5 years of history.

I don't think that I see anyone as a competitor - all of the sites that I know of that have a subscription model serve a predominantly enthusiast market. I expect that RTT has somewhat of a different usage base.

We haven't announced anything formally about what we are putting within the subscription service, only vague terms about ad-free (and probably a much nicer UX from it) and a longer history. The 14 day history is being offered for free and is available right now so I'm not sure why you suggest that means we won't offer something that competes with others - not that I'm saying we will either.

What I will say is that the pricing of it is likely to be priced lower than RailMiles is currently, at least at the start while we work out the barometer of success. This is ultimately my sole line of work and primary source of income as well as paying the salary of 4 others.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I'm fully aware of that. Which is why I alter the day I need rather then typing it all in again.

I'll be honest, it seems illogical to me to bookmark something that you know will stop working in a number of days after you make the query.

While I don't know which browser you're using, I'd recommend setting up a bookmarklet:

If you set this link as a bookmark, it will always open as today's date, filtered just for freight form Rhyl, this one works on firefox:

javascript:window.open(`https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:RHL/${(new Date().toLocaleDateString('en-ca'))}/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=ZZ`,%20%22_blank%22);

 

[Penmorfa]

While I don't know which browser you're using, I'd recommend setting up a bookmarklet:

If you set this link as a bookmark, it will always open as today's date, filtered just for freight form Rhyl, this one works on firefox:

Thanks but:

Not found​

The overhead line equipment for this page is not installed and electric traction cannot proceed further. It may never have been installed, or has been removed.

 

[Freightmaster]

Thanks but:

Not found​

The overhead line equipment for this page is not installed and electric traction cannot proceed further. It may never have been installed, or has been removed.

How about using this dateless link:

Realtime Trains | Live Departures from Rhyl

Live train information at Rhyl. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

...and then just change the [When?] drop down from "now" to "all day"?




MARK