Expired Railcard Prosecution

[absentmind]

Was travelling with SWR last week and was asked to show a railcard. I had not realized it was expired for 6 months. The past 6 months have been very difficult for me work-wise due to working long hours while studying for exams and going through a breakup of a long term relationship. I completely forgot about the railcard and just as a habit would assume its not expired (i think i potentially had a three year one previously so got out of the habit of renewing?). I am a doctor and a criminal record can make my life extremely complicated. I had 15 journeys during this period of the expired railcard. At the station I was honest that I just had not realized and instantly renewed my Railcard. I would never ever try to dodge any costs, Im paid enough to afford the 30£ of the railcard and this was honestly just an oversight on my part that is now stressing me so much due to the potential repercussions. It just feels like the potential punishment doesnt reflect the “crime” of being forgetful or absent minded. The offider their produced a prosecution notice and said they will get back to me. Im willing to pay any fine as long as this does not lead to a criminal record. How do I ensure this is the outcome?

 

[John R]

This is a fairly standard issue here, and whilst this will cost you some money, provided you cooperate when you receive a letter, apologise for the oversight, and ask very nicely for an out of court settlement, it is very unlikely to result in a prosecution.

When you get a letter, do post a draft here, and experts can ensure that you say the right things. There are plenty of examples here of letters that we think are acceptable, and given your profession, I doubt I have to suggest that using AI to write it is not a good idea. (You might want to avoid handwriting it though, given your profession’s reputation!)

 

[WesternLancer]

Was travelling with SWR last week and was asked to show a railcard. I had not realized it was expired for 6 months. The past 6 months have been very difficult for me work-wise due to working long hours while studying for exams and going through a breakup of a long term relationship. I completely forgot about the railcard and just as a habit would assume its not expired (i think i potentially had a three year one previously so got out of the habit of renewing?). I am a doctor and a criminal record can make my life extremely complicated. I had 15 journeys during this period of the expired railcard. At the station I was honest that I just had not realized and instantly renewed my Railcard. I would never ever try to dodge any costs, Im paid enough to afford the 30£ of the railcard and this was honestly just an oversight on my part that is now stressing me so much due to the potential repercussions. It just feels like the potential punishment doesnt reflect the “crime” of being forgetful or absent minded. The offider their produced a prosecution notice and said they will get back to me. Im willing to pay any fine as long as this does not lead to a criminal record. How do I ensure this is the outcome?

Given what’s potentially at stake with your work it’s probably worth telling them in your initial reply of other travel after the railcard expired and you would like to pay the fares owed in respect of them too. You don’t have to do this but personally I’d not jeopardise future work income over the cost of sorting this.

Others may have a different view on that.

It’s vital you get their letter and important to get your draft reply checked here before you send it.

 

[Hadders]

Welcome to the forum!

Which train company are you dealing with? This situation is sortable, the train company will write to you asking for your version of events. When the letter arrives upload a redacted copy of it in this thread along with your draft reply and we will be happy to proof read it for you.

Assuming the train company offer an out of court settlement then expect to have to pay the fares for all the journeys made when the railcard was expired at the full Anytime rate, with no credit given for the railcard discounted tickets you did buy, plus an admin fee typically around £150.

 

[absentmind]

Welcome to the forum!

Which train company are you dealing with? This situation is sortable, the train company will write to you asking for your version of events. When the letter arrives upload a redacted copy of it in this thread along with your draft reply and we will be happy to proof read it for you.

Assuming the train company offer an out of court settlement then expect to have to pay the fares for all the journeys made when the railcard was expired at the full Anytime rate, with no credit given for the railcard discounted tickets you did buy, plus an admin fee typically around £150.

Hi, thanks for your reply!

This was with SWR. Do you think emailing them before they contact me would be a good idea? Im thinking of emailing them to apologise etc and explain I am willing to pay the fine to settle this.

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This is a fairly standard issue here, and whilst this will cost you some money, provided you cooperate when you receive a letter, apologise for the oversight, and ask very nicely for an out of court settlement, it is very unlikely to result in a prosecution.

When you get a letter, do post a draft here, and experts can ensure that you say the right things. There are plenty of examples here of letters that we think are acceptable, and given your profession, I doubt I have to suggest that using AI to write it is not a good idea. (You might want to avoid handwriting it though, given your profession’s reputation!)

Appreciate your input!

Do you think its worth emailing them prior to their letter? I was thinking of emailing SWR Prosecutions to explain, apologise and show willingness to pay the fine and be done with it.

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Given what’s potentially at stake with your work it’s probably worth telling them in your initial reply of other travel after the railcard expired and you would like to pay the fares owed in respect of them too. You don’t have to do this but personally I’d not jeopardise future work income over the cost of sorting this.

Others may have a different view on that.

It’s vital you get their letter and important to get your draft reply checked here before you send it.

Thank you.

Do you think it might be worth emailing them before they contact me?

 

[skyhigh]

Do you think it might be worth emailing them before they contact me?

No, wait until they contact you.

 

[John R]

No, you are in a process now and are just one of very many cases that they will be working through. Our experience here is that provided you say the right things when they do get around to writing to you, this should be very straightforward to sort.

Writing to them in advance will only mess with their process, and is a bit like jumping the queue to get seen to before others in the same situation.

 

[Hadders]

This was with SWR. Do you think emailing them before they contact me would be a good idea? Im thinking of emailing them to apologise etc and explain I am willing to pay the fine to settle this.

Do not contact them ahead of their initial letter. This is because you don't know what they're going to ask in their letter and you don't want to inadvertently incriminate yourself.

SWR deal with thousands of cases at a time, and I'm aftraid you have to wait for your case to get to the top of the pile. In the meantime (and I know it's easy to say this) put the matter to the back of your mind and get on with life, when the letter does arrive come back here and we can assist in how to reply.

 

[absentmind]

Do not contact them ahead of their initial letter. This is because you don't know what they're going to ask in their letter and you don't want to inadvertently incriminate yourself.

SWR deal with thousands of cases at a time, and I'm aftraid you have to wait for your case to get to the top of the pile. In the meantime (and I know it's easy to say this) put the matter to the back of your mind and get on with life, when the letter does arrive come back here and we can assist in how to reply.

Thank you so much for your clarification and support, I appreciate it. Will just wait for the letter/email. Do you know approx how long this takes? Due to work I am moving houses in 3 months and do not want to risk missing this letter because of the move.

 

[WesternLancer]

Thank you so much for your clarification and support, I appreciate it. Will just wait for the letter/email. Do you know approx how long this takes? Due to work I am moving houses in 3 months and do not want to risk missing this letter because of the move.

If you’ve not heard from the railway by about ten days before you move house then set up a Royal Mail redirection via Royal Mail website etc. one of these is a good idea in general if you are moving house anyway but I would say vital in this sort of scenario.

You can look up how redirection works now if you want.

Could well be 8 to 10 weeks before railway writes to you depending on how busy they are.

 

[SouthernOne]

Alternatively, email prosecutions@swrailway.com with updated address details. You can always add an email address to it as well.

 

[absentmind]

@Hadders @John R @WesternLancer

Hi everyone,

I have finally received an email from SWR and they are basically asking me to prove my Railcard purchases back to 2022?

I am not entirely sure I can actually find these but I can try. Is it really my responsibility to prove my Railcard purchases though?

Please let me know what you think, and once again thank you for all the tips and guidance you give here, so helpful.

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These are my railcard purchases dating to 22’

 

[30907]

@Hadders @John R @WesternLancer

We generally ask people not to tag individuals - there are many of us who can offer good advice promptly

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These are my railcard purchases dating to 22’

You aren't obliged to keep the information, but as you have found it, you can inform SW.

 

[Haywain]

Is it really my responsibility to prove my Railcard purchases though?

It depends whether you want to be prosecuted for the one incident when you were stopped. If you don't it is in your interests to cooperate.

 

[WesternLancer]

@Hadders @John R @WesternLancer

Hi everyone,

I have finally received an email from SWR and they are basically asking me to prove my Railcard purchases back to 2022?

I am not entirely sure I can actually find these but I can try. Is it really my responsibility to prove my Railcard purchases though?

Please let me know what you think, and once again thank you for all the tips and guidance you give here, so helpful.

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These are my railcard purchases dating to 22’

Hi - as others have said the route to an out of court settlement is to co-operate with them - and it looks like you have some supporting evidence of Railcards that you can provide which helps show that tickets bought during those periods with a Railcard discount were legitimately discounted. So it's in your interest to provide the info you have if you are lucky enough to still have it.

The reason they are doing this is because there is no central database of Railcards (annoyingly) and they know that people will have ticket buying records for discounted tickets going back a while and they basically have the opportunity to seek that money whilst you are under threat of prosecution for the case they have all the evidence for - ie you (well i mean the person they are investigating) have a strong incentive to pay them for those previous fares to avoid a court case that would result in a criminal conviction. Of course on line and digital ticketing makes finding evidence of previous travel wrongly discounted very easy for them to do these days.

It is of course very bad luck for the person who has made a genuine oversight and not renewed their railcard because it does mean they can send hefty bills for tickets they know were wrongly purchased.

 

[absentmind]

Hi - as others have said the route to an out of court settlement is to co-operate with them - and it looks like you have some supporting evidence of Railcards that you can provide which helps show that tickets bought during those periods with a Railcard discount were legitimately discounted. So it's in your interest to provide the info you have if you are lucky enough to still have it.

The reason they are doing this is because there is no central database of Railcards (annoyingly) and they know that people will have ticket buying records for discounted tickets going back a while and they basically have the opportunity to seek that money whilst you are under threat of prosecution for the case they have all the evidence for - ie you (well i mean the person they are investigating) have a strong incentive to pay them for those previous fares to avoid a court case that would result in a criminal conviction. Of course on line and digital ticketing makes finding evidence of previous travel wrongly discounted very easy for them to do these days.

It is of course very bad luck for the person who has made a genuine oversight and not renewed their railcard because it does mean they can send hefty bills for tickets they know were wrongly purchased.

Thanks for your response.

Apologies for the rant but this has not only been stressful, but seems like it will cause a significant financial dent while I realistically only forgot to pay 30£ for a freaking Railcard…

 

[kkong]

Apologies for the rant but this has not only been stressful, but seems like it will cause a significant financial dent while I realistically only forgot to pay 30£ for a freaking Railcard…

You might wish to obscure your name from the images in post #12.

 

[WesternLancer]

Thanks for your response.

Honestly this whole thing is more akin to extortion.

I am shocked that the government is allowing private companies, that are already overpricing their tickets for poor services, to basically ask for extortionate amounts of money under the threat of criminal conviction, for something that their application (Trainline) does not even remind you of? If my Netflix subscription is not paid, i’m not allowed to watch Netflix. If my Railcard expires, Trainline continues to automatically discount my tickets? We have AIs analysing CT scans but Trainline doesn’t fix this simple issue that is probably costing the public millions every year. Seems so intentional. Then them asking for the full price adds to the extortionate behaviour.

Apologies for the rant but this has not only been stressful, but seems like it will cause a significant financial dent while I realistically only forgot to pay 30£ for a freaking Railcard…

All wider issues I'm afraid

SWR is nationalized now - run by the govt. The govt is paying massive subsidy to the railway overall so they pressure all the train companies (private or government run as many now are) to maximise revenue income. This is part of that.

Many people are victims of this problem with Trainline - complain to Trainline. personally I would vote with your feet - buy your tickets elsewhere from now on. I have no idea why so many people use Trainline but no one is forced to do so. I never have for example.

 

[Haywain]

Honestly this whole thing is more akin to extortion.

That sort of attitude is not going to help you. You broke the law, and if you decline to cooperate you will be prosecuted. What SWR are seeking to do is recover unpaid fares and have an assurance that you will pay the correct fare in future.

 

[Hadders]

Thanks for your response.

Honestly this whole thing is more akin to extortion.

I am shocked that the government is allowing private companies, that are already overpricing their tickets for poor services, to basically ask for extortionate amounts of money under the threat of criminal conviction, for something that their application (Trainline) does not even remind you of? If my Netflix subscription is not paid, i’m not allowed to watch Netflix. If my Railcard expires, Trainline continues to automatically discount my tickets? We have AIs analysing CT scans but Trainline doesn’t fix this simple issue that is probably costing the public millions every year. Seems so intentional. Then them asking for the full price adds to the extortionate behaviour.

Apologies for the rant but this has not only been stressful, but seems like it will cause a significant financial dent while I realistically only forgot to pay 30£ for a freaking Railcard…

I do sympathise with your position but it is your responsibility to make sure that you possess a valid ticket before boarding a train. Your railcard had been expired for over six months.

SWR is not a private compamy - it's owned by the Government.

In my experience many railcard retailers do send reminders that railcards are approaching expiry but these notifications do depend on you giving the correct contact details and allowing marketing notifications. I don't know Trainline's policy in this area but I would imagine it's similar.

Trainline's app does 'remember' if you've used a railcard in the past. This is a tricky one and has been debated many times in this section of the form. There's no requirement to purchase a railcard from Trainline, you can buy them from other retailers or even from stations. A railcard purchased elsewhere can be used to buy discounted tickets on Trainline (or any other ticket site). Clearly, Trainline would not be able to remind you of a railcard expiry purchased elsewhere.

 

[absentmind]

@Hadders @John R @WesternLancer

Hi everyone,

I have finally received an email from SWR and they are basically asking me to prove my Railcard purchases back to 2022?

I am not entirely sure I can actually find these but I can try. Is it really my responsibility to prove my Railcard purchases though?

Please let me know what you think, and once again thank you for all the tips and guidance you give here, so helpful.

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These are my railcard purchases dating to 22’

You might wish to obscure your name from the images in post #12.

thank you for that, missed it!

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I do sympathise with your position but it is your responsibility to make sure that you possess a valid ticket before boarding a train. Your railcard had been expired for over six months.

SWR is not a private compamy - it's owned by the Government.

In my experience many railcard retailers do send reminders that railcards are approaching expiry but these notifications do depend on you giving the correct contact details and allowing marketing notifications. I don't know Trainline's policy in this area but I would imagine it's similar.

Trainline's app does 'remember' if you've used a railcard in the past. This is a tricky one and has been debated many times in this section of the form. There's no requirement to purchase a railcard from Trainline, you can buy them from other retailers or even from stations. A railcard purchased elsewhere can be used to buy discounted tickets on Trainline (or any other ticket site). Clearly, Trainline would not be able to remind you of a railcard expiry purchased elsewhere.

I do understand that and I will cooperate to have this sorted as soon as possible.

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That sort of attitude is not going to help you. You broke the law, and if you decline to cooperate you will be prosecuted. What SWR are seeking to do is recover unpaid fares and have an assurance that you will pay the correct fare in future.

I do understand that, and I will cooperate with them to have this sorted. I am just frustrated that a simple omission can get someone into such a massive conundrum. Having to sulk on potentially losing my job over forgetting a 30£, once yearly payment of a Railcard has already been enough of a punishment.

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All wider issues I'm afraid

SWR is nationalized now - run by the govt. The govt is paying massive subsidy to the railway overall so they pressure all the train companies (private or government run as many now are) to maximise revenue income. This is part of that.

Many people are victims of this problem with Trainline - complain to Trainline. personally I would vote with your feet - buy your tickets elsewhere from now on. I have no idea why so many people use Trainline but no one is forced to do so. I never have for example.

I've set up a yearly reminder for my Railcard. I find Trainline to be useful otherwise as an app but not really aware of any other apps.

 

[WesternLancer]

find Trainline to be useful otherwise as an app but not really aware of any other apps.

Every train company sells tickets on line etc - use one that is linked to a govt run train company and you might not be giving money to the private companies you mention of which Trainline is one

 

[absentmind]

Every train company sells tickets on line etc - use one that is linked to a govt run train company and you might not be giving money to the private companies you mention of which Trainline is one

Cool, thanks! Appreciate your advice, will let you know once they get back to me. Thanks again for the help