Jamesrob637
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Hi all, will any (predominantly European) high-speed tracks enter traffic this year? Many of Germany's look to be 2026 now, Spain likewise.
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Extremedura was last in the news around February when ADIF and the ministry were telling the press that work on the Merida cut-off was expected to be complete in March and AESF (ORR, sort of) could issue its approval in July after which the promised 12 extra trains (i.e. 1 per day each way) could start.I think some more Spanish high speed lines should open in late-25
Possibly around Plasencia?
Thanks, I hadn't looked at the timetable before posting. The old problem of these being full days ahead is now in the past.I believe the Merida bypass is already open? There are now three Madrid - Badajoz trains every day, up from the previous two. ...
I believe the Merida bypass is already open? There are now three Madrid - Badajoz trains every day, up from the previous two. One of them bypasses Merida but reverses at Plasencia with a similar journey time as the other two (no Plasencia but with a Merida reversal).
Well, I suppose it might take through services to Lisbon eventually. Elvas to Évora in Portugal was supposed to open this year, but it doesn't look promising.Wow. An entire new double track HSL for three trains a day, including two bypasses, avoiding 2 of the 4 medium-sized cities in an otherwise completely empty region. Impressive.
(Sarcasm of course, and I do know that Plasencia was never on the direct line).
Well, I suppose it might take through services to Lisbon eventually. Elvas to Évora in Portugal was supposed to open this year, but it doesn't look promising.
Even more impressive, Plasencia station was modernised and future-proofed with a 400m long platform.Wow. An entire new double track HSL for three trains a day, including two bypasses, avoiding 2 of the 4 medium-sized cities in an otherwise completely empty region. Impressive.
(Sarcasm of course, and I do know that Plasencia was never on the direct line).
Well, I suppose it might take through services to Lisbon eventually. Elvas to Évora in Portugal was supposed to open this year, but it doesn't look promising.
It is now slated to open 2026-7. As service between Lisbon and Badajoz/Elvas will be PSO, there will be the same daily five trains between Lisbon and Evora, but running to Elvas or Badajoz. Stupidly enough calling at both will require a reversal. Spain has decided to add a Plasencia - Badajoz PSO service 4 times a day on a Class 121, two a day will extend to/from Evora.Oh, it will at some point. Probably 3 trains a day again.![]()
To be fair once Madrid - Lisbon is all done (or mostly done), which isn't far off, I can see a market for 2tph non-stop / limited stop. Then domestic all principle stations could be hourly with reversals at Plasencia and Merida (still faster than today's timings). That would be a reasonable utilisation level by Spanish standards.
To be fair too, that would be a decent timetable - international trains stopping only in Cáceres and Badajoz (maybe Toledo), HS stoppers stopping everywhere, including Plasencia and Mérida city station. Both every two hours. And no Plasencia and Mérida HS stations on the mainline, because they are not needed.
This being Spain, it‘s not what is going to happen. There will be a patchwork of services with no rhyme nor reason and very few stops at some of these over-engineered HS stations. All built with european tax payers‘ money.
Wonder how they will be considered on the PT=Portuguese side? As fas as I know Portugakl does not have any competitors to CP on the same line, ESpana does and RENFE is also trying out itself into FRance.I'd imagine Open Access will be already making plans for a frequent Madrid-Lisbon service
Also wondering the same - I don't know if anything has been said about who'd operate the base service - CP & Renfe joint? With a three hours promised journey time, it'll make a big impact.Wonder how they will be considered on the PT=Portuguese side? As fas as I know Portugakl does not have any competitors to CP on the same line, ESpana does and RENFE is also trying out itself into FRance.
Flightradar lists LISboa as 2nd frequent served destination from MADrid main airport, 128 flites/week, #1 being Palma Mallorca, then followed by the Spanish Canary Islands Canarias and Tenerife. BCN=Barcelona, SVL=Sevilla and MLG=Malaga are now much further down the list-which shows that hi-speed frequent railservice can indeed have impact on air-corridors.
Also wondering the same - I don't know if anything has been said about who'd operate the base service - CP & Renfe joint? With a three hours promised journey time, it'll make a big impact.
I've seen conflicting info on this, is it not from ~2030? I was under the impression 6hrs is basically from next yearThree Hours is a veeeery long time away, if it happens at all. We are talking of 6 +/- hours for the foreseeable and plenty of single track and capacity restrictions especially around Madrid und Lisbon.
Elvas - Evora should be in the final straits (some slope slips delaying completion from what I've read). Talayuela (just west of Oropresa) to Monfrague (just north of) can't be far off either? My understanding is one these two elements are done 6 hours will be possible, subject to rolling stock and staff who can deal with both countries' systems.
3 hours will depend on
- Toledo - Talayuela
- Placensia - Badajoz upped to the 300km/h design speed (ETCS completion)
- Badajoz bypass
- Cacares bypass
- Evora - Lisbon
Don't think these will be done before 2030.
Elvas - Evora should be in the final straits (some slope slips delaying completion from what I've read). Talayuela (just west of Oropresa) to Monfrague (just north of) can't be far off either? My understanding is one these two elements are done 6 hours will be possible, subject to rolling stock and staff who can deal with both countries' systems.
3 hours will depend on
- Toledo - Talayuela
- Placensia - Badajoz upped to the 300km/h design speed (ETCS completion)
- Badajoz bypass
- Cacares bypass
- Evora - Lisbon
Don't think these will be done before 2030.
Minister of Construction & Transport János Lázár announced on August 13 that the Hungarian section of the Budapest – Beograd corridor would reopen in January 2026 following modernisation. Three pairs of international trains will run daily between the two capitals, using ‘very high-quality vehicles’, and would only stop at Kiskunhalas in Hungary.
Yes, four-tracking north of Toulouse towards Montauban is underway to take trains into the city from the LGV.The Bordeaux-Toulouse line has some work under way but not actual main construction of the new line, nothing new will be open before 2032
Is the new line in Portugal standard gauge or Iberian? Can't see open access operators wanting to get into gauge changing stockOn quite another area/topic, which also quite surprised me: a dutch newspaper a few days ago had an informative article about Kashmir-the disputed area north of India and told a Hi-Speed railline was opened to there to bring the normal tourists in-special extra attraction being an overdose of military staff. Cannot really remember seen any other topic about this and also highly, highly doubt if in such a mountainous area and in India a railline as HIspeed could even be realised. It would be the normal Jammu to Srinagar (the main cities there) line, linking up with the dense and generally low-speed Indian Railways network. Just for the record this.
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Wonder how they will be considered on the PT=Portuguese side? As fas as I know Portugakl does not have any competitors to CP on the same line, ESpana does and RENFE is also trying out itself into FRance.
Flightradar lists LISboa as 2nd frequent served destination from MADrid main airport, 128 flites/week, #1 being Palma Mallorca, then followed by the Spanish Canary Islands Canarias and Tenerife. BCN=Barcelona, SVL=Sevilla and MLG=Malaga are now much further down the list-which shows that hi-speed frequent railservice can indeed have impact on air-corridors.
Again, not strictly a HSL. The current 4-tracking works between Bamberg and Nuremberg (or strictly speaking Strullendorf - Eltersdorf) is meant to be completed in December. Do we know if fast line speeds will be raised to 230km/h over this section? I can only find references to 230km/h in Wikipedia articles and the relevant paragraphs seem to be very old.
Do we know what sort of journey time improvement is Dresdnerbahn going to deliver?
České dráhy to Offer Train Destinations from Copenhagen to Villach and more Connections to Europe while Improving the Quality of Trainsets | České dráhy, a.s.
The timetable for 2026 will bring further extension of travel offers and increased comfort on international and domestic train services operated by České dráhy.www.ceskedrahy.cz
This article says "Another positive change will be the reduction of the journey time from Prague to Berlin and Hamburg by several dozens of minutes. The journey from Prague to Berlin will take approximately 4 hours ..."
Current journey times (before the Hamberg - Berlin renewal, based on Seat61 times) are already around 4h10m, so it doesn't look as though the saving will be very big?
May have to wait until October for answers when 2026 schedules finally get uploaded.