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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

FlybeDash8Q400

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If you can help it avoid Princes Street. It's absolutely chaos with all buses diverted heading west. The bus trackers showing buses will still turn up but they don't as they have been cut short.
Looks like diversions in all directions now. Looks bad whatever’s happened.

UPDATE: Ah goody some youths have decided to be clever and trespass on a roof on one of the larger buildings and throw objects towards the ground thus shutting down the entire East End of Princes Street…
 
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No, I think it will be a case of Lothian, Lothian Country and East Coast buses drivers all having different pay.
The base pay rates of East Coast Buses and Lothian Country are the same however the conditions are better and I believe the overtime rate is slightly better.
 

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I would have guessed that it must be more difficult to recruit drivers to Central than to Longstone or Marine. AIR?
 

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I’d like to think not, but I suspect you might be right. I’m not sure how people can get that easily confused, but absolutely people would.
I know what you mean. I think it's more for people who aren't locals or are not used to the bus system here that would read it and start to wonder if it affect them so probably will make things confusing for them. Better to just have simple information first I guess.
 

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Bus 586 appears to have been doing part route extras on service 43 today between the city centre and Barnton. Presumably a temporary thing to help with festival loadings.

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/loth-586?date=2025-08-07
I seen that pass me this morning and assumed it was just a swap/breakdown. Interesting.

The 43 is one of the routes that I think might see an increase and I guess extras like this suggest it is possible.
 

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Vehicle 553 (Lothian City, 2015-plate B5LH) is currently doing driver training on what looks like the X27 after leaving Longstone this afternoon. Just for information - not trying to start any rumours!!
 
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Vehicle 553 (Lothian City, 2015-plate B5LH) is currently doing driver training on what looks like the X27 after leaving Longstone this afternoon. Just for information - not trying to start any rumours!!
Heard somewhere that the X27/8 are now going to be limited stop in Sighthill, may be this or some route changes. Also speculation about a Livingston Village service reroute, might be the X27.
 

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Bus 586 appears to have been doing part route extras on service 43 today between the city centre and Barnton. Presumably a temporary thing to help with festival loadings.

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/loth-586?date=2025-08-07
It's a full day working from what I can see. 936 is operating it, starting with a duplicate from Queensferry and then running two trips to Barnton and back before pausing at Central. 586 then filled the gap of two round trips while 936s driver was taking a break and 936 has now come back out from Central to provide the remainder of the service, which is another two round trips to/from Barnton and then a trip to Queensferry.

Makes good use of the additional vehicle at Livingston in the mean time.
 
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Heard somewhere that the X27/8 are now going to be limited stop in Sighthill, may be this or some route changes. Also speculation about a Livingston Village service reroute, might be the X27.

Not being funny, but what would be the point in that? all things considered Calder Road from Saughton Mains to Calder View is really not that long of a stretch, and removing a few stops would be pointless, also the stop outside the Colleges is very handy for the City bound journeys.
 

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Not being funny, but what would be the point in that? all things considered Calder Road from Saughton Mains to Calder View is really not that long of a stretch, and removing a few stops would be pointless, also the stop outside the Colleges is very handy for the City bound journeys.
It speeds it up. Whilst the stops are well used it often gets stuck behind local buses which dwell for longer than the X27/X28 do. I would be disappointed if the stops at the college/university were taken out though.
 

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It speeds it up. Whilst the stops are well used it often gets stuck behind local buses which dwell for longer than the X27/X28 do. I would be disappointed if the stops at the college/university were taken out though.
I agree these routes are well used in Edinburgh and if they are to take them away maybe they ought to bring back an X25 every 15 mins or 30 mins from Heriot-Watt University to Waterloo Place but serving the same stops as the 25 up to Hermiston Park & Ride and then the same stops as the current X27 and X28.
 

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Bus 586 appears to have been doing part route extras on service 43 today between the city centre and Barnton. Presumably a temporary thing to help with festival loadings.

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/loth-586?date=2025-08-07
According to the online timetables, there are currently six return workings between St Andrew's House and Barnton in the course of the day. It would be good to see some of these retained outwith Festival time.
Strange to have LC buses not leaving City limits. And then there's the X47 from Frederick Street that doesn't follow the 47 route via D Mains and Cramond to Barnton, and is essentially a part route 43! Confused?
 

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I agree these routes are well used in Edinburgh and if they are to take them away maybe they ought to bring back an X25 every 15 mins or 30 mins from Heriot-Watt University to Waterloo Place but serving the same stops as the 25 up to Hermiston Park & Ride and then the same stops as the current X27 and X28.
It wouldn’t surprise me if it were changed to match the old X25 actually. In other words it’s non stop from the University to Fountainpark and vice versa.
 

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It wouldn’t surprise me if it were changed to match the old X25 actually. In other words it’s non stop from the University to Fountainpark and vice versa.

But then it's leaving out links near Murrayfield and Chesser which could be a big disadvantage.
 

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But then it's leaving out links near Murrayfield and Chesser which could be a big disadvantage.
It depends what the usage is and more importantly why. From experience a number of the stops along that stretch are just local journeys.

If something’s on at Murrayfield it’s diverted anyway.
 

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It depends what the usage is and more importantly why. From experience a number of the stops along that stretch are just local journeys.

If something’s on at Murrayfield it’s diverted anyway.
A lot of journeys from Sighthill, Broomhouse/Parkhead, Saughton Mains and Chesser are to the city centre. I've even seen people let the city buses pass to get the express buses. It's a journey of about 15 mins vs 25 mins on other buses at off peak times. Sometimes you can reach The Exchange in 10 mins.
 

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Very rare to get someone from Sighthill going to/from the other way, it just makes the buses even more late than necessary. I can confirm that the route will be limited stop through Sighthill. Other changes such as 73 going through Livingston Village and 72 being cut from Kirkliston as well.

So has all the Bus grant money dried up if that 72 getting pulled from Kirkliston? Also if 73 going via Livingston Village does that men deans looses out? going but this there would be a reduction of the network .
 

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So has all the Bus grant money dried up if that 72 getting pulled from Kirkliston? Also if 73 going via Livingston Village does that men deans looses out? going but this there would be a reduction of the network .
The 72 is hopelessly unreliable and it’s already well known that it is too long and has no ability to regain time without additional resources. If it’s being cut back to Winchburgh then I suspect that’s largely down to this. Demand to Kirkliston as I understand it is very low.
 
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The 72 is hopelessly unreliable and it’s already well known that it is too long and has no ability to regain time without additional resources. If it’s being cut back to Winchburgh then I suspect that’s largely down to this. Demand to Kirkliston as I understand it is very low.
I believe it’s also to make it possible for the frequency increase.
 

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Would the full route of no72 get increased or will it just be the section from Broxburn to Livingston? I was hoping for service to Armadale to Livingston.
 

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