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Porterbrook Class 150 gifted to Mid Hants Railway.

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Who says it'll be preserved, do you have a link to that information?
The Watercress Line themselves.
''Make way for a Heritage Rail 'First' at The Watercress Line! We’re thrilled to announce that Class 150 Sprinter Unit 150231 is joining our running fleet, making us the first heritage railway in the UK to operate a Class 150 Sprinter train.''

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Looks like it's only vinyl, which makes sense from a cost point of view, but still a bit of a shame.
 
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The Watercress Line themselves.

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Looks like it's only vinyl, which makes sense from a cost point of view, but still a bit of a shame.
Perhaps it was vinyled for the event with the plan to refurb afterwards?
 

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The Watercress Line in Hampshire will be the first heritage railway in the country to take a Class 150 Sprinter train into its running fleet.

This second-generation ‘Sprinter’ Diesel Multiple Unit – with the engines and seating all within one structure – dates back to 1987 and has been donated by the leasing company Porterbrook.

The unit (150231) is currently starring at a huge gathering of historic locomotives and trains at ‘The Greatest Gathering’ in Derby...
Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many, many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well-fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.

There is not a day goes by in Devon and Cornwall that passenger services are not cancelled and/or short formed through Class 150 unit shortages caused by breakdowns, defects and awaiting parts.
 
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Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many,many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.

There is not a day goes by in Devon and Cornwall that passenger services are not cancelled and/or short formed through Class 150 unit shortages caused by breakdowns, defects and awaiting parts.
Not really...
 

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150231 had been taken out of service on July 9th of this year prior to its repainting. Were the plans to preserve it known back then?
 

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First of all, I see this as more of a moan than something being saved from otherwise being sent to scrap.

Secondly, if you want to moan, why not direct your dissatisfaction at the DfT who are refusing to allow the 150s to be leased to another operator. It’s little secret that the DfT wants the Mk3 based stock gone, the 769s (unluckily for Northern) only curry favour due to their (just about) Bi-Modal capacity. Whether or not they work is a different matter which, from the Northern 769s thread, we know they don’t particularly well.

Anyway, congratulations to Porterbrook and the Watercress Railway for being the first to take on one of the Sprinter’s. And no, the two 153s on the GCR don’t fully count as they are owned primarily for commercial purposes.
 

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So, you think giving a struggling depot another unit to look after is a good idea? By the way, GWR 150 availability has been pretty good recently.

p.s. Congrats to the MHR on getting what I knew in my Anglia days as “King Edmund”.
 

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Anyway, congratulations to Porterbrook and the Watercress Railway for being the first to take on one of the Sprinter’s. And no, the two 153s on the GCR don’t fully count as they are owned primarily for commercial purposes.
The staff onboard were delighted at the Gathering, I was also thrilled to see one had been preserved seeing how 150231 was a unit I saw regularly. I do hope to go down and visit her when she begins running on the line!
 

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Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many,many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.
The situation with the 150s has been well documented. Without Porterbrook doing what it has done over many years with donating stock to heritage operations, we wouldn’t have the Thumper DEMUs saved, nor a Class 87, some 47s and several HST vehicles. I know who put together the business case for donating to preservation and getting it signed off by the Porterbrook board (it wasn’t me) and it was all about supporting heritage operations - so your comments about directors are frankly out of order.
 

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Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many,many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.

There is not a day goes by in Devon and Cornwall that passenger services are not cancelled and/or short formed through Class 150 unit shortages caused by breakdowns, defects and awaiting parts.
Availability usually isn't that bad. On any given day, there is often only 1 or 2 units out of use on top of 232 and 238 at Wolverton. Any units that break down tend to be out and about within a day or two. Over the last few weeks especially I've seen a drop in 2 car formations.

Today, in addition to 232 and 238, only units 243 and 249 are out of service
 
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Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many,many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.

There is not a day goes by in Devon and Cornwall that passenger services are not cancelled and/or short formed through Class 150 unit shortages caused by breakdowns, defects and awaiting parts.
chill out - wait till you find out about those preserved steam trains that could be out in use on the main line every day. Some of them only worked for 15 years!

Anyway, maybe the mid hants railway can sub lease the unit to GWR for a win win ;) ( The donation arrangement will prevent this I am sure)
 

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The situation with the 150s has been well documented. Without Porterbrook doing what it has done over many years with donating stock to heritage operations, we wouldn’t have the Thumper DEMUs saved, nor a Class 87, some 47s and several HST vehicles. I know who put together the business case for donating to preservation and getting it signed off by the Porterbrook board (it wasn’t me) and it was all about supporting heritage operations - so your comments about directors are frankly out of order.
Yes I agree with you there, while I'm very against the non stop money train that is the current version of stock ownership. Porterbrook has shown on more than one occasion being more helpful than it needed to be to help out with preservation and imo has been very generous
 

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Hopefully this sets a precedent for the other rolling stock companies to think about preserving trains some of their older stock. Just think about all of the EMUs that were wiped out during COVID.
 

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I believe Porterbrook stated years ago that these 150s would be disposed of at the point of their next C6 exam, as it would be incredibly costly to life extend them. I would definitely argue they are very life expired!
 

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I believe Porterbrook stated years ago that these 150s would be disposed of at the point of their next C6 exam, as it would be incredibly costly to life extend them. I would definitely argue they are very life expired!
They did, but whilst it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a further C6 could be authorised, it won’t be allowed by the DfT. So it’s either scrap or Pres for these, unless someone has a change of heart.
 

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Congratulations on Porterbrook for donating a 150/2 for preservation.
I'm assuming 150 231 was the best overall condition unit out of all the TfW units withdrawn so far.
If that didn't happen, otherwise I anticipated a much longer wait for 150s to become available for preservation, taking into account consideration on their condition and overhaul history. In a few years time, I'm sure an 150/1 will eventually be preserved in original Provincial two-tone blue livery.
 

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Isn’t it ironic that while GWR struggle to cope with providing enough cl 150 units each day to cover the many,many services that rely on them in Devon and Cornwall, that a (GBR avoiding) wealthy and lucrative rolling stock leasing company’s equally well fed Directors can gift an otherwise far from life expired unit to a seasonal Heritage Leisure Railway for further use.

There is not a day goes by in Devon and Cornwall that passenger services are not cancelled and/or short formed through Class 150 unit shortages caused by breakdowns, defects and awaiting parts.
Unit was due for overhaul which has not been sanctioned by the leasing company. Cheaper and more PR savvy to donate it away rather than send for scrap (and have to pay to get it there). Your area is by no means unique. There is not an hour that goes by in most other areas that passenger services are not cancelled or short formed through unit non-availability, Northern on the north Manchester side at last set of statistics was 17% short form and 6% cancellations....just saying. Could send you the 8 Northern 769/4's, have you seen their availability??
 

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Hopefully a non-gangwayed version will get preserved at some point, maybe the first of the class as it was in some sense a pioneer and a big change for the railways.
 

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Hopefully a non-gangwayed version will get preserved at some point, maybe the first of the class as it was in some sense a pioneer and a big change for the railways.
Are you sure it was a big change for the railways? Lots of gangwayed DMUs and EMUs have been built in the last 40 years.
 

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Are you sure it was a big change for the railways? Lots of gangwayed DMUs and EMUs have been built in the last 40 years.
I think he means that the first Sprinter (which happened to be non-gangwayed) was a big change, not that non-gangwayed (or indeed gangwayed) units were a novelty.
 

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Yes, I meant because it was the first of the second gen regional DMUs. Surprised if it’s not flagged for the national collection.
 

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Yes, I meant because it was the first of the second gen regional DMUs. Surprised if it’s not flagged for the national collection.
I thought the first Pacers entered service before the 150s? Unless you don't count the Pacers as regional DMUs.

I think the national collection would be a better home for it than a preserved railway.
 

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You might have to wait a while for 150001, we need it on the Penistone line for the foreseeable... :lol:

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I thought the first Pacers entered service before the 150s? Unless you don't count the Pacers as regional DMUs.

I think the national collection would be a better home for it than a preserved railway.
The sole 140 (preserved on paper, but in a state of disrepair) and the 141s (three preserved initially, two of which survive) beat the Sprinters into traffic, but classes 142-144 didn't.
 

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Do we know whether the interior will be returned to 'as built' condition as the modern interior is somewhat incongruous to the livery.

The cynic inside me wonders whether the donation of an otherwise scrap unit by Poterbrook can be seen as a donation to charity, which Porterbrook can then donate from their total profits before income tax, so perhaps not as charitable as it may seem.... However fair play for preserving so many examples of locos, units etc over the years
 

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Do we know whether the interior will be returned to 'as built' condition as the modern interior is somewhat incongruous to the livery.
It would seem unlikely, although it could be done using the interior fittings from 150268-150277. However, just the cost of refitting the initial moquette would be money a preserved railway could ill afford. In any case, should artefacts only ever be preserved in original condition?

Is a 2+2 interior actually more use to the railway to what was a fairly awkward 2+3 arrangement?
 

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It would seem unlikely, although it could be done using the interior fittings from 150268-150277. However, just the cost of refitting the initial moquette would be money a preserved railway could ill afford. In any case, should artefacts only ever be preserved in original condition?

Is a 2+2 interior actually more use to the railway to what was a fairly awkward 2+3 arrangement?
A 2+2 interior is far better for a preserved railway than 2+3.
 
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