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Major Power Failure Between Kings Cross and Stevenage 27/07/25

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YorksLad12

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The contingency plan exists, it involves terminating at Peterborough and Stevenage.
That's great for the railway, but what about onward travel for passengers? Finsbury Park has the advantage of the Piccadilly Line, but can't cope with the passenger numbers. Perhaps we should be looking at beefing up stations which can handle trains and passengers close to major stations? I'm probably not expressing that very well.
 
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Magdalia said:
The contingency plan exists, it involves terminating at Peterborough and Stevenage.
That's great for the railway, but what about onward travel for passengers? Finsbury Park has the advantage of the Piccadilly Line, but can't cope with the passenger numbers. Perhaps we should be looking at beefing up stations which can handle trains and passengers close to major stations? I'm probably not expressing that very well.
Both Peterborough and Stevenage have the possibility of travelling via Cambridge to/from London Liverpool Street.
 

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How does Stevenage have access to Liverpool street?
By GN/TL train via Royston to Cambridge, then change to a Liverpool Street train (in the near future, you'll be able to change slightly earlier at Cambridge South too).

If you go south from Peterborough via Ely you also have to change somewhere to reach Liverpool Street (and the GN & TL trains between Stevenage and Cambridge have far more capacity - 8 or 12 cars - than anything normally running between Peterborough and Ely).
 

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Both Peterborough and Stevenage have the possibility of travelling via Cambridge to/from London Liverpool Street.
Erm, Peterborough to Ely/Cambridge is only an infrequent 2 or 3 car train, all of which are normally pretty full with their own passengers and are overwhelmed if used in the way you suggest by LNER etc.passengers.

Disruption south of Stevenage often results in no services to Cambridge/Peterborough either, and I'm not sure that going Stevenage to London via Cambridge would be an acceptable route even in severe disruption.
 

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Erm, Peterborough to Ely/Cambridge is only an infrequent 2 or 3 car train, all of which are normally pretty full with their own passengers and are overwhelmed if used in the way you suggest by LNER etc.passengers.

Disruption south of Stevenage often results in no services to Cambridge/Peterborough either, and I'm not sure that going Stevenage to London via Cambridge would be an acceptable route even in severe disruption.
I didn't suggest anything - I just said 'have the possibility of'.

The reality is that in normal circumstances trains on the ECML (and other busy routes) are moving and distributed over the length of it, with a higher concentration at the southern end.

If there is a major problem that stops them reaching e.g. London, I doubt there's a single place big enough that they could all stop in a platform and wait, so I suspect the best you can do is either leave the passengers on stationary trains (preferably in a platform somewhere), or terminate the trains at somewhere like Peterborough, discharge the passengers then run them ECS to carriage sidings (until they fill up too) or send them back north (if there's crew to do that) to get them out of the way. At which point what do you do with potentially thousands of passengers milling around the station and car park area etc., other than try to get at least some of them to their destinations by whatever alternatives are available?

I would sincerely hope that Stevenage to London via Cambridge would be an acceptable route in the event of severe disruption, otherwise IMHO the 'railway' has an utterly bonkers attitude to customer service (and in my experience railway staff do generally *try* to keep passengers moving if at all possible, even via roundabout routes).
 

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Another power issue today. Think there was a block on the down fast line between finsbury park and alexandra palace. I get the no trains stopping at Hornsey and Harringay in the down direction to allow fast trains on the down slow one past the block.

I don't understand why the inner service to Stevenage trains going via Hertford couldn't stop at Alexandra Palace though ?
 

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I've done Liverpool Street to Cambridge then to Baldock when the ECML was at a standstill, just waved through no questions asked.
 
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