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A scam phone calls and emails discussion.

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In the last four weeks or so I've received many emails purporting to be from McAfee telling me that my antivirus software is about to expire or has expired, my device is at risk, and so on. McAfee came with the computer when I bought it nine years ago but when it expired I acquired a different protection package. They offer huge discounts, even up to 90%, to renew. Obviously a scam. But there can be half a dozen of these a day. I'm hoping that they may realise they aren't getting anywhere and stop trying.
 
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Had a rare spam call on my mobile a couple of days ago claiming I'd made an enquiry about claiming compensation for misleading diesel engine information. Knew my name and my car details. I hadn't made any such enquiry and told him this in strong terms before ending the call.
 

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Had a rare spam call on my mobile a couple of days ago claiming I'd made an enquiry about claiming compensation for misleading diesel engine information. Knew my name and my car details. I hadn't made any such enquiry and told him this in strong terms before ending the call.
I rarely have the time or inclination, but really every person who receives unsolicited calls from an organisation that you haven't had dealings with should interrrogate their source of your number. If they can't give a satisfactory* answer, then caution them that they are breaching the Data Protection Act 2018, and will be reported to the Information Commisioner's office. Also request that your details are removed from their records. Most of them get out of your hair then, but even if it didn't warn them it would waste their time!

* random or progressive dialling is illegal, purchased lists of details where consent is expressly given is illegal, historical records , - e.g. where you might have ordered something from them some time ago is subject to GDPR restrictions.
 

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I rarely have the time or inclination, but really every person who receives unsolicited calls from an organisation that you haven't had dealings with should interrrogate their source of your number. If they can't give a satisfactory* answer, then caution them that they are breaching the Data Protection Act 2018, and will be reported to the Information Commisioner's office. Also request that your details are removed from their records. Most of them get out of your hair then, but even if it didn't warn them it would waste their time!

* random or progressive dialling is illegal, purchased lists of details where consent is expressly given is illegal, historical records , - e.g. where you might have ordered something from them some time ago is subject to GDPR restrictions.
I have asked a few times where the caller has got my number from. Usually they are evasive but one person said Google! They went on to say that when you agree to Google's T&Cs that you apparently agree to them selling you data on to selected partners.
 

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Just when I thought that the old Nigerian Prince emails were a thing of the past, I got this yesterday. Has to be a scam, I mean who has a fax machine these days

Dear Friend,

Let me start by introducing myself, I am Mr. Michel Madi Manager of Bank of Africa Burkina Faso.
I am writing you this letter based on the latest development at my Department which I will like to bring to your personal edification. (7.5 million U.S Dollars transfer claims). This is a legitimate transaction and I agreed to offer you 40% of this Money as my foreign partner after confirmation of the fund in your bank account, if you are interested, get back to me with the following

Details below
(1)Your age........
(2)Your occupation.....
(3)Your marital status.....
(4)Your full residential address.......
(5)Your private phone and fax number and your complete name.......
 

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Many years ago I received the 'noticed a problem with your Microsoft account' scam call. I think I managed to string them along for 30 minutes by playing the naive and inexperienced computer user, just as they thought I was about to give them the bank details they were after I thanked them for their enjoyable scam phone call.

It has been a while since I received any scam calls or emails, or is that statement tempting fate!
 

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I rarely have the time or inclination, but really every person who receives unsolicited calls from an organisation that you haven't had dealings with should interrrogate their source of your number. If they can't give a satisfactory* answer, then caution them that they are breaching the Data Protection Act 2018, and will be reported to the Information Commisioner's office. Also request that your details are removed from their records. Most of them get out of your hair then, but even if it didn't warn them it would waste their time!

* random or progressive dialling is illegal, purchased lists of details where consent is expressly given is illegal, historical records , - e.g. where you might have ordered something from them some time ago is subject to GDPR restrictions.
It's only illegal if they are trying to sell you something. If you ask to be 'removed from their records' what happens is that you are added to a database of people who don't want to be called.
 

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It's only illegal if they are trying to sell you something. If you ask to be 'removed from their records' what happens is that you are added to a database of people who don't want to be called.
... or just ignored and continue to be pestered.
 

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Today I had the one from “DWP” saying I haven’t applied for this years winter fuel allowance and to do so before the application deadline, which was given as…..today.

Also over the last couple of weeks I’ve had several messages offering “work from home” opportunities, saying “we’ve recently reviewed your cv and feel you could be the type of person we’re looking for”. Dunno where they’re digging up my cv from since I’ve been in my current job nearly twelve years and will more than likely be there until I retire. Although they come through as SMS messages the sender is given as an email address rather than a mobile number, but the messages include a number to contact on WhatsApp if I’m interested in the position, so I’ve given that as the originating number when reporting the messages as spam.
 

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Today I had the one from “DWP” saying I haven’t applied for this years winter fuel allowance and to do so before the application deadline, which was given as…..today.

Also over the last couple of weeks I’ve had several messages offering “work from home” opportunities, saying “we’ve recently reviewed your cv and feel you could be the type of person we’re looking for”. Dunno where they’re digging up my cv from since I’ve been in my current job nearly twelve years and will more than likely be there until I retire. Although they come through as SMS messages the sender is given as an email address rather than a mobile number, but the messages include a number to contact on WhatsApp if I’m interested in the position, so I’ve given that as the originating number when reporting the messages as spam.
I've had the job offer ones I think twice over the years.

I'm not sure they actually do have a copy of your CV - they're just trying to convince you it's somebody you've previously sent your CV to to give them some credibility.

I work in a profession where most hiring is through recruiters so I do expect approaches, but even the worst recruiters in my profession tell me *something* about the job in the initial approach - job title or location for example.
 

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I could/should probably have used some sort of emoji to show that “dunno where they’re digging up my cv from” was meant as a tongue in cheek comment. In the last few years I’ve also had emails allegedly from a couple of the agencies I was signed up with when I was out of work, I replied saying I was in employment and asking to be removed from the database, a few months later I got emails again and when I complained they said they had no record of my asking to be removed.
 

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I could/should probably have used some sort of emoji to show that “dunno where they’re digging up my cv from” was meant as a tongue in cheek comment. In the last few years I’ve also had emails allegedly from a couple of the agencies I was signed up with when I was out of work, I replied saying I was in employment and asking to be removed from the database, a few months later I got emails again and when I complained they said they had no record of my asking to be removed.
It's frustrating that so many companies are so bad at data protection even with GDPR and the potential for massive fines.

I once looked at joining a Bannatyne's gym. They don't put the prices on the website so you have to contact them, which they then use for marketing (dubious that this is allowed in its own right). Anyway, I fill out the form, get the phone call with prices, and say I'll think about it. A few days later, I get a marketing email from them as a prospective customer. But it wasn't only me who got the email - it was sent to around 50 people, all with our email addresses and names in the 'To' field instead of a Bcc or individual mail merge emails.

Few months back I hired a car. I returned the car, accidentally left some cheap toolkit in the boot. Helpfully they tried to contact me, fine. I didn't answer 2 calls spreading over 15 hours because I was busy. As a result, they phoned my 'Next of Kin', didn't go into any useful detail about why they were calling me, and informed my mother that they'd been unable to get hold of me for 15 hours. My mum phones me panicked thinking I've crashed a car and am in hospital or something. Like surely people don't think 'next of kin' just means 'backup contact number'? The regional manager agreed with me that it should be reserved for much more serious needs than a £20 Argos toolset left in a boot.

Recently I've been getting post for the previous owner of our house. Eventually she wasn't coming to collect the post, and I wouldn't mind, but a lot of these letters were from debt collectors. I don't really want debt collectors at my doorstep even if they'd end up walking away quite quickly. So I text the old homeowner and said understand you're busy, so I'll return them to sender when they arrive as the postbox is only a minute walk away. In my mind, this was a way of ensuring the companies are actually being informed that this isn't their current address. Even after returning to sender, I've had a couple of companies continue to send post here, so I've found email contact details and requested they mark this address as obsolete or remove it. All of them have complied so far, except Tesco Bank, who told me that legally they cannot remove the address. Not wanting to get into a protracted debate about data protection I just (politely) said ok but I don't believe that's right as the personal information isn't being kept up-to-date, so if more post arrives, I'll raise it with the ICO. Strange how every other company managed to comply.

To work out where spam emails come from, I've started using the '+' feature in Gmail. If an email address is johnsmith@gmail.com, you can use johnsmith+amazon@gmail.com when joining Amazon, the emails will go to the same inbox, but you'll see it was sent to johnsmith+amazon@gmail.com. This way, if the email address is shared or stolen, and spam starts arriving addressed to johnsmith+amazon@gmail.com, we know the email was leaked from Amazon somehow. I've made a few DPA complaints on the back of this after finding websites have shared, sold, or had stolen contact info.

Most of these things get an apology and a promise to change processes so I don't bother escalating things or whatever, but I do wonder sometimes if they do actually change their working practices, or just say they will then forget about it.
 

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I could/should probably have used some sort of emoji to show that “dunno where they’re digging up my cv from” was meant as a tongue in cheek comment. In the last few years I’ve also had emails allegedly from a couple of the agencies I was signed up with when I was out of work, I replied saying I was in employment and asking to be removed from the database, a few months later I got emails again and when I complained they said they had no record of my asking to be removed.
I‘m looking forward to this one, as I’ve never ever produced a CV, even for my own entertainment. But with a bit of luck they won’t aim a job offer at a 70 year old…
 

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But it wasn't only me who got the email - it was sent to around 50 people, all with our email addresses and names in the 'To' field instead of a Bcc or individual mail merge
Definite data breach.

Thanks for mentioning the + feature, I wasn’t aware of that.
 

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Definite data breach.

Thanks for mentioning the + feature, I wasn’t aware of that.
The '+' feature isn't universal. Gmail does it, not sure about other providers, so worth checking directly with them if not Gmail :)
 

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I use the + feature in Gmail too. It's incredibly useful. I just have to maintain a spreadsheet on my computer with a list of all the ones I've used, and where, otherwise I'd lose track of them all!
 

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I had a call from Indeed just now. One of their chief recruiters would love to talk to me about a job offer, if only I would kindly add their number on WhatsApp.
Unfortunately, before I could ascertain more details about said job (or recruiter), the line went dead...

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this may not be a legitimate call!
 

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I had a call from Indeed just now. One of their chief recruiters would love to talk to me about a job offer, if only I would kindly add their number on WhatsApp.
Unfortunately, before I could ascertain more details about said job (or recruiter), the line went dead...

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this may not be a legitimate call!
I've had the same automated call a couple of times recently from different UK mobile numbers.
 

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* random or progressive dialling is illegal, purchased lists of details where consent is expressly given is illegal, historical records , - e.g. where you might have ordered something from them some time ago is subject to GDPR restrictions.
Only if they are trying to sell you something. My organisation uses random dialling to do market research....such as 'how do you feel about being called at random?'
 

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I have asked a few times where the caller has got my number from. Usually they are evasive but one person said Google! They went on to say that when you agree to Google's T&Cs that you apparently agree to them selling you data on to selected partners.
“Hello”?
“Yes, I understand you were involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault, is that right”?
“Where did you get this number”?
“Sorry, when was the accident”?
“Where did you get this number”?
“Sorry, can you confirm when the accident took place”?
“Where did you get this number”?

Pause, then line goes dead…..I believe if it’s an automated voice bot it gets confused if you say anything other than yes or no in response to the questions.

Also further to my recent post regarding text messages offering work, I got a text message that just said “hello”.

“hello, who is this please”?

“Yes, I’m Francesca, are you still open for work”

“Sorry, wrong number”…..then go to settings and click block contact before they can reply.
 

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I have asked a few times where the caller has got my number from. Usually they are evasive but one person said Google! They went on to say that when you agree to Google's T&Cs that you apparently agree to them selling you data on to selected partners.
That may or may not be true. Looking through Google's privacy policy they say:
  • We don’t share information that personally identifies you with advertisers, such as your name or email, unless you ask us to. For example, if you see an ad for a nearby flower shop and select the 'tap to call' button, we’ll connect your call and may share your phone number with the flower shop.

They have a section detailing when they share your information, and it also doesn't appear to say that they'll sell your personal info on to selected partners. The only thing I can see about sharing info with partners is this (my bold):
We may share non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners – such as publishers, advertisers, developers or rights holders. For example, we share information publicly to show trends about the general use of our services. We also allow specific partners to collect information from your browser or device for advertising and measurement purposes using their own cookies or similar technologies.
I didn't see anything in the Terms and Conditions of Service about granting them the right to on-sell your data either.

Selling your data on wouldn't fit Google's business model either, which is primarily driven by using your data to sell adverts.
 

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“Hello”?
“Yes, I understand you were involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault, is that right”?
“Where did you get this number”?
“Sorry, when was the accident”?
“Where did you get this number”?
“Sorry, can you confirm when the accident took place”?
“Where did you get this number”?

Pause, then line goes dead…..I believe if it’s an automated voice bot it gets confused if you say anything other than yes or no in response to the questions.

Also further to my recent post regarding text messages offering work, I got a text message that just said “hello”.

“hello, who is this please”?

“Yes, I’m Francesca, are you still open for work”

“Sorry, wrong number”…..then go to settings and click block contact before they can reply.
A couple of times with this I ran with it.

"Oh I did get amnesia so I can't remember the details.", encourages a decent level of interaction.

I find I just can't be bothered with them any more and hang up.

I even hung up on a genuine call from my current broadband provider because they cold-called me and tried to confirm my identity, rather than the other way around. I eventually verified that this was a genuine call through other means, and they were double our broadband speed to 500Mbps, but I did make clear that while we appreciate the speed increase, it's not great to cold call customers and then ask for personal information. He said he'd pass it on, but whether he did, idk.
 

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I even hung up on a genuine call from my current broadband provider because they cold-called me and tried to confirm my identity, rather than the other way around. I eventually verified that this was a genuine call through other means, and they were double our broadband speed to 500Mbps, but I did make clear that while we appreciate the speed increase, it's not great to cold call customers and then ask for personal information. He said he'd pass it on, but whether he did, idk.
I've had that with Virgin Media. What is your name? Address? and so on. It's just asking for trouble.
 

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Oh, I've got one that happened a few days ago.

Very strong non-British accent, attempted to persuade me that I needed to pay, immediately, to renew my TPS subscription. And to set up a direct debit to do so ...

I kept him hanging on for several minutes.
The incident and the number displayed by my phone have been reported.
 

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Had a couple of parking fine texts today.
Oddly enough, they only wanted £25 to tempt you to pay.
 
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I have also had an unspecified parking fine from a mystery council for a mystery car scam

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Got asked for £20
 

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“Yes, I understand you were involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault, is that right”?
“Where did you get this number”?
I haven't had one of these for a long while.

I have a vague theory that this was a scam not directed not so much against the recipient of the phone call, but against claim management companies. The idea being to collect a number of potential leads and then sell them on.
 

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My partner has been receiving text messages from Markerstudy alleging she has been in an accident and there is a third party claiming against her, except she isn't insured with them and hasn't had an accident. Has anyone else had this?
 

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