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What loco' or train has the highest mileage?

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Is it known what loco', DMU etc. has the most numbers of miles on the network?

With 60 year old Class 37s, Class 43s and certain DMUs being flogged for years, I'd imagine there have been some impressive mileages racked up. However, is there an overall champion?
 
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The highest mileage HST power car, 43239, had covered 9.725 million miles in mid-2018, according to RAIL (https://www.railmagazine.com/news/rail-features/everybody-is-sad-to-see-them-go), and is still active today in Nigeria, so probably has a strong claim to the overall title, given how intensively diagrammed East Coast power cars have been over the years. The rest of the long term East Coast HST fleet had all covered well over 9 million miles at the time as well, so even if restricting it to vehicles still on UK soil today then there's probably a power car from amongst that lot that's covered over 10 million miles now.

The Pendolino fleet must have racked up some high mileages by now as well, though: 390022 became the first unit to pass the 1 million mile mark after around 4 years in passenger service, in January 2008, and also the first to reach 2 million miles in May 2011 (https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2011/5/Pendolino-100-million-miles-250511). On average, each 390 covers 1 million miles every 3.5 years; they're expected to achieve 9.5 million miles over a 30 year lifespan, so not quite up there with the HST power cars yet.

And the remaining Eurostar class 373 sets have typically covered over 7 million miles each in service to date, according to an article published this week: https://www.globalrailwayreview.com...t-gathering-railway-200-celebration-in-derby/
 
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With 60 year old Class 37s, Class 43s and certain DMUs being flogged for years, I'd imagine there have been some impressive mileages racked up. However, is there an overall champion?
This is an interesting question, but in most cases, apart from the body shell, would most of the locomotive be like Triggers Brush?
 

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Many of the HST fleet racked up big mileages.

But if the question is vehicle still in use in UK, then I would guess one of the early pendolinos, or more likely one of the remaining 91s. They tend to cover greater mileage each day than most of the lower speed EMUs and DMUs.
 

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Many of the HST fleet racked up big mileages.

But if the question is vehicle still in use in UK, then I would guess one of the early pendolinos, or more likely one of the remaining 91s. They tend to cover greater mileage each day than most of the lower speed EMUs and DMUs.
Pendolinos have still got a way to go to match the highest HST power car mileages, as per my previous post, and 91131 is reported to have achieved around 8 million miles before being laid up at the end of 2021 (https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...s-record-breaking-91-saved-for-bo-ness-museum), while others were reported to have covered "over seven million miles" at around the same time, so the remaining active class 91s probably still fall a little way short as well - though not by much, despite their shorter lifespan, particularly against the HST power cars that still remain in UK passenger service.
 

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Many of the HST fleet racked up big mileages.
Although this was true, the Deltics were notable competitors for miles per year, as the HSTs (and Pendolinos, 91s, etc) typically stood in depot sidings overnight, whereas the Deltics, somewhat slower, nevertheless ran pretty much 24x7, being on overnight trains returning to their starting point, often with just a few hours turnround at both ends for a considerable period. Of course, they didn't last nearly as long. Possibly connected.
 

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Although this was true, the Deltics were notable competitors for miles per year, as the HSTs (and Pendolinos, 91s, etc) typically stood in depot sidings overnight, whereas the Deltics, somewhat slower, nevertheless ran pretty much 24x7, being on overnight trains returning to their starting point, often with just a few hours turnround at both ends for a considerable period. Of course, they didn't last nearly as long. Possibly connected.
They each covered around 3 million miles over their 20 or so years in BR service. 9010 was the first BR diesel-electric to achieve 2 million miles in service, in January 1973.
 
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This is an interesting question, but in most cases, apart from the body shell, would most of the locomotive be like Triggers Brush?

In many cases, bogies, traction motors and alternators will be original - although refurbished many times and probably moved around between locos.

In some cases the engines might be original (although overhauled multiple times). Doesn't apply to HST power cars as they all had newer types of engine fitted.
 

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triggers brush, the ship of epheseus, the train of dangie - all the same really
What's the Train of Dangie?



I wondered if there were any units which had suffered this fate and found 4EPB 5021
1953 Initially formed in 1953 as 14041/15021/15121/14042 in 1953
1959 Reformed with two cars from unit 5023 and one from 5031 - 14062/15023/15123/14042
1984 Refromed again by swapping two cars with unit 5027 - 14062/15023/15027/14054

303028
started as 75593/61508/75628
1982 reformed 75600/61508/75635 (both cars from disbanded 303035)
1999 reformed 75600/61813/75845 (cars swapped with 303037 and 303079 respectively)

There were of course numerous individual vehicles that had major components replaced over the course of their lives:

  • Steam hauled stock, bodies given new underframes when the Southern conveerted them to 3SUB EMUs
  • Those underframes in turn given new steel bodies to become 4SUBs or 4EPBs
  • The motors from those units re-purposed in class 455s
  • The 455s then given new traction packages by SWT

  • Mark 1 hauled stock converted for use in REP/TC units
  • The traction motors and bogies from the 4REPs re-used in the 442s
  • The 442s given new traction systems by SWR
 

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Some of colas rail's or ROG's 37s might be a shout considering their age and all of the track they've covered in that time , same goes for the HNRC class 20's.
 

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The highest mileage HST power car, 43239, had covered 9.725 million miles in mid-2018, according to RAIL (https://www.railmagazine.com/news/rail-features/everybody-is-sad-to-see-them-go), and is still active today in Nigeria, so probably has a strong claim to the overall title, given how intensively diagrammed East Coast power cars have been over the years. The rest of the long term East Coast HST fleet had all covered well over 9 million miles at the time as well, so even if restricting it to vehicles still on UK soil today then there's probably a power car from amongst that lot that's covered over 10 million miles now.
The highest mileage was for 43238 and 43239, as per the piece in Rail - note that the info was from 125 Group, so is more accurate than if Rail had worked it out. ;)

Both power cars would likely have got to 10 million miles before they were taken out of service. 43239 is likely now the highest given its stint on XC before export.
 

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What about some of the power cars that ended up on the Flying Banana? The test train diagrams can rack up serious mileage at times.
 

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What about some of the power cars that ended up on the Flying Banana? The test train diagrams can rack up serious mileage at times.
The NMT diagrams are not as intensive as the TOC diagrams were. East Coast had the highest mileage diagrams.
 

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I'd have imagined 43003 would be up there, as would many of the SR HST fleet. Still doing 1000miles per day fairly often.
 

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I'd have imagined 43003 would be up there, as would many of the SR HST fleet. Still doing 1000miles per day fairly often.
My first thought was 003. I reckon pendolinos are a good shout, as well as some 158 that's been going around on long-haul regional services since it was built.
 

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My first thought was 003. I reckon pendolinos are a good shout, as well as some 158 that's been going around on long-haul regional services since it was built.
158s on Lime Street - Norwich ?
 

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The highest mileage was for 43238 and 43239, as per the piece in Rail - note that the info was from 125 Group, so is more accurate than if Rail had worked it out. ;)

Both power cars would likely have got to 10 million miles before they were taken out of service. 43239 is likely now the highest given its stint on XC before export.
The leading Pendolino's must be nearing 7.5-8 Million Miles (roughly 1k per day, 330k per year, 23 Years...
 

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Some of colas rail's or ROG's 37s might be a shout considering their age and all of the track they've covered in that time , same goes for the HNRC class 20's.
I doubt it, considering the amount of time they have probably spent in yards or hauling slow freight.
What about some of the power cars that ended up on the Flying Banana? The test train diagrams can rack up serious mileage at times.
Too much time spent ‘on the ground’ at Derby I would say.
158s on Lime Street - Norwich ?
Again, doubt it, as it is not the fastest route. Mileage will be greatest for the fastest trains I would imagine?

Maybe a 373?
 

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The leading Pendolino's must be nearing 7.5-8 Million Miles (roughly 1k per day, 330k per year, 23 Years...
Extrapolating from the figures I shared earlier, the highest performing class member might be at around 6 million miles now.
Maybe a 373?
As I noted above, the remaining operational 373s are probably around 3 million miles shy of the highest mileage HST power car.

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The highest mileage was for 43238 and 43239, as per the piece in Rail - note that the info was from 125 Group, so is more accurate than if Rail had worked it out. ;)

Both power cars would likely have got to 10 million miles before they were taken out of service. 43239 is likely now the highest given its stint on XC before export.
Yeah, I left 43238 out of the equation, as it's been in store in recent times compared to 239.
 

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As I noted above, the remaining operational 373s are probably around 3 million miles shy of the highest mileage HST power car.
Quite impressive for the 373s considering they are about 20ish years younger than the 43s
 

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I'd have imagined 43003 would be up there, as would many of the SR HST fleet. Still doing 1000miles per day fairly often.
Much of the Scotrail fleet is ex-GWR power cars, which, typically, weren't diagrammed quite as intensively as their East Coast brethren, so it might take a little while to even up the difference. Plus, are individual Scotrail power cars being worked that hard over the course of a year or more? I get the impression, from threads on here, that some are doing more work than others.

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Quite impressive for the 373s considering they are about 20ish years younger than the 43s
Quite right, it's a good part of the reason why higher speed trains end up withdrawn around 20+ years after introduction - they cover that much higher mileage in that time.

The Deltics can claim similar, against mixed traffic locos of their time like the 37s and 47s.

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The NMT diagrams are not as intensive as the TOC diagrams were. East Coast had the highest mileage diagrams.
In terms of the ex-VTEC power cars that have found themselves onto test train duties (not necessarily NMT, I lose track now admittedly), it has to have to added to an already high total, even though they're not necessarily diagrammed daily.
 
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I'd have imagined 43003 would be up there, as would many of the SR HST fleet. Still doing 1000miles per day fairly often.
No ScotRail HST is doing 1000 miles per day. Plenty of the GWR diagrams didn't used to do anything like 1000 miles and they had 125mph running.
 

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What is the average milage for the Voyagers with XC?

Cornwall - Scotland daily must rack up some milage...
 
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