johncrossley
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That's what Standard Premium is for.
Which is not offered by Eurostar, LNER or GWR for example
That's what Standard Premium is for.
Eurostar Plus was known as Standard Premium until very recently.Which is not offered by Eurostar, LNER or GWR for example
True - but it is a model that has been trialled successfullyWhich is not offered by Eurostar, LNER or GWR for example
True - but it is a model that has been trialled successfully
From reviews I've seen, E* doesn't have a particularly busy first class.It would be good to see other operators than Avanti use it, but Avanti had a unique situation with a huge overprovision of First Class coaches on Pendolino trains that they had no hope of filling. Does Eurostar have good occupancy of 2+1 seats?
It was Standard Premier I believe. For what it matters. Probably when I last used it.Eurostar Plus was known as Standard Premium until very recently.![]()
Although you have to use Manchester Airport (unless you are heading for a destination served by Liverpool), Eurostar compares favourably in comparison, even on price if using an Interrail.It was Standard Premier I believe. For what it matters. Probably when I last used it.
In the past I used Eurostar, including the connection from Wilmslow, but today I think I’d fly. Saint Pancras mess, uninspiring onboard service.
I’ve used all three classes over time, Business Premier I think it’s called once, during the trip Eyjafjallajökull erupted and I had no problem getting home as booked.
But now, meh, maybe familiarity breeds contempt but I see no real benefit to me any more.
Yeah but, no but....That's what Standard Premium is for.
Perhaps offering a full range of coffees onboard would be sensible, but a significantly expanded range of meals to offer would be madness. The amount of additional ingredients that you would need to purchase for the expansion would push prices up to the point that it would be unattractive, and much more would inevitably end being wasted.Yeah but, no but....
In the old days of LNER, a First Class passenger had the options of light refreshments or a full restaurant car meal or just a coffee, paying accordingly.
Nowadays, with the exception of TFW and GWR Pullman Dining, a First Class passenger has the option only of the 'meal' offered as part of the package. They do not, for example, have the option of the full range of coffees offered for purchase at the shop to Standard passengers.
Posters here frequently express a preference for buying refreshments to take on board, but this is a less than ideal solution for those burdened with luggage/pushchairs/bikes, or those taking a longer journey who might wish to enjoy a hot meal an hour or so more after departure.
Eurostar could offer two fares. One with catering and the other without.
I'd personally go for without as a trip to Brussels is only two hours and i wasn't impressed with the offering. Those who enjoy the catering can chose to pay a bit extra.
Alternatively go down the DB route where the first class host cones round after departure and takes any orders from the restursnt car.
St Pancras's border formalities are a lot better now than a few years ago, the extra border booths, and new ePassport gates, really speed up the process. Just don't go through the border too early to limit how much time you're in the 'lounge'It was Standard Premier I believe. For what it matters. Probably when I last used it.
In the past I used Eurostar, including the connection from Wilmslow, but today I think I’d fly. Saint Pancras mess, uninspiring onboard service.
I tale Eurostar 2-3 times a year and can't say I've ever found St Pancras to be a mess - I'm usually through all formalities in 15/20 mins.It was Standard Premier I believe. For what it matters. Probably when I last used it.
In the past I used Eurostar, including the connection from Wilmslow, but today I think I’d fly. Saint Pancras mess, uninspiring onboard service.
I’ve used all three classes over time, Business Premier I think it’s called, once, during the trip Eyjafjallajökull erupted and I had no problem getting home as booked.
But now, meh, maybe familiarity breeds contempt but I see no real benefit to me any more.
GNER used to work like this for people that didn’t want to use the restaurant.If there is going to be a shop with hot food to purchase anyway, why not just offer 1st class one or two free items from the shop, or alternatively a spending allowance. This could be served at seat, maybe even plated with proper cutlery if it was determined that passengers want that.
Some low-cost airlines offer catering vouchers in advance for cheaper than it would be to buy directly during the flight. The former semi-LCC Airberlin had a business class cabin where you could pick a selection of items from the trolley free, before they offered them for sale to the economy passengers.
Surely they could find something more breakfast appropriate than nuts?!I don't know if the prices reflect this, but the breakfast offering is pretty meagre when compared to the "dinner" offering later in the day, which while not large does look like a meal. Especially if you are on a very early train, and hence won't have eaten beforehand.
Also when you are having to check in at 5:45 for the 6:40 train from Amsterdam to London, not getting the actual breakfast until after Brussels (so well past 9) feels very late. The small packet of nuts and coffee between Amsterdam and Brussels felt a bit inadequate.
Also I've heard that even Eurostar Premier customers do not receive any meals between Amsterdam and Brussels - just some nuts.Also when you are having to check in at 5:45 for the 6:40 train from Amsterdam to London, not getting the actual breakfast until after Brussels (so well past 9) feels very late. The small packet of nuts and coffee between Amsterdam and Brussels felt a bit inadequate.
Thalys/Eurostar Red don’t do free food at all in Plus, as far as I knowWhat do Thalys do? Surely the supply chain could be integrated?
If they want to compete properly on the Amsterdam to London route properly in the premium seats, surely that has to be reviewed. It's not as if Amsterdam to Brussels is a short add on, with the slow speed on part of the route it's nearly half the route time.Also I've heard that even Eurostar Premier customers do not receive any meals between Amsterdam and Brussels - just some nuts.
I think that Eurostar has decided to save costs by not having to deal with food logistics between Amsterdam and Brussels.
If they want to compete properly on the Amsterdam to London route properly in the premium seats, surely that has to be reviewed. It's not as if Amsterdam to Brussels is a short add on, with the slow speed on part of the route it's nearly half the route time.
I can understand that, but IMO they should really mention that when booking, before you pay.I think that Eurostar runs its food logistics hubs both in London, Paris, and Brussels. Between those cities a full meal service (esp. in Premier) can be provided.
Amsterdam is simply an outstation. There is no infrastructure in place for providing foods. There is no way to cater an early-morning departure out of Amsterdam. Hence, the catering delivery happens after Brussels.
As a journey is always starting/ending a London, Eurostar can always ensure that each passenger (even those ones from/to Amsterdam) do receive its Plus or Premier meals.I can understand that, but IMO they should really mention that when booking, before you pay.
Of course they can, but I'm sure passengers from Amsterdam don't expect having to wait 2.5 hours until breakfast service starts.As a journey is always starting/ending a London, Eurostar can always ensure that each passenger (even those ones from/to Amsterdam) do receive its Plus or Premier meals.