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I've been doing some research online and seem to be getting mixed answers. So I thought I'd ask here on the off chance anyone else has been unfortunate enough to have the same issue.

I was denied boarding by Eurostar yesterday at St. Pancras as they were running a shorter train than scheduled, which caused me to be rebooked onto the train two hours later. This service was delayed by around 30 minutes also, causing me to reach Paris about 2.5 hours later than scheduled. After being left stood around at the information desk in the departure hall for well over half an hour, I was informed that my choice was either to take a tip up seat in the vestibule for the journey, or take a later train. There were passengers behind me in the queue who didn't get offered such a choice and were left behind by that train. No idea what trains they were booked on originally of course.

I suspect the answer is "Non", but I'm painfully aware that if I'd been on a flight and been denied boarding for operational reasons, UK261 legislation would kick in and mean I'm entitled to a significant amount of cash compensation. Is there any equivalent of that offered to International rail passengers? I suspect the fact I was travelling with an Interrail will complicate things compensation wise too.
 
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I suspect the answer is "Non", but I'm painfully aware that if I'd been on a flight and been denied boarding for operational reasons, UK261 legislation would kick in and mean I'm entitled to a significant amount of cash compensation. Is there any equivalent of that offered to International rail passengers? I suspect the fact I was travelling with an Interrail will complicate things compensation wise too.
Compensation for delay has existed since at least 2009. You were delayed more than 2 hours, so you can get a 50% refund or even more if you accept a voucher:
 

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Compensation for delay has existed since at least 2009. You were delayed more than 2 hours, so you can get a 50% refund or even more if you accept a voucher:
Delay compensation for Interrail holders is administered by Eurail, so I would suggest that is where @185143 starts. I would be looking to get 50% of the cost of the reservation/supplement (if not a full refund), plus the standard €24 compensation for a 2+ hour Interrail delay (see here).

A very poor showing from Eurostar given the limited utilisation their fleet sees, in any case.
 

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Delay compensation for Interrail holders is administered by Eurail, so I would suggest that is where @185143 starts. I would be looking to get 50% of the cost of the reservation/supplement (if not a full refund), plus the standard €24 compensation for a 2+ hour Interrail delay (see here).
Correct, I overlooked the Interrail part.
 

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Delay compensation for Interrail holders is administered by Eurail, so I would suggest that is where @185143 starts. I would be looking to get 50% of the cost of the reservation/supplement (if not a full refund), plus the standard €24 compensation for a 2+ hour Interrail delay (see here).

A very poor showing from Eurostar given the limited utilisation their fleet sees, in any case.
I'll be pushing for a full refund of the reservation fee given it effectively wasn't honoured and I was dumped in a vestibule.
 

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I'll be pushing for a full refund of the reservation fee given it effectively wasn't honoured and I was dumped in a vestibule.
Do let us know how that turns out. If you're not satisfied with what Eurostar offer, then you can appeal to London TravelWatch:
 

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Do let us know how that turns out. If you're not satisfied with what Eurostar offer, then you can appeal to London TravelWatch:
I booked the reservation through RailEurope, just to add another potential spanner into the works. I've got a boarding pass with "13:31 tip up" scrawled on it, and the HOTNAT the Train Manager gave me to ensure I wouldn't have to pay for a new reservation on SNCF.
 

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I booked the reservation through RailEurope, just to add another potential spanner into the works. I've got a boarding pass with "13:31 tip up" scrawled on it, and the HOTNAT the Train Manager gave me to ensure I wouldn't have to pay for a new reservation on SNCF.
Compensation is always handled by Eurostar, regardless of where you booked (except for the compensation on the pass). Hold on to that boarding pass. It's the proof that you didn't have a proper seat.
 

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Compensation is always handled by Eurostar, regardless of where you booked (except for the compensation on the pass). Hold on to that boarding pass. It's the proof that you didn't have a proper seat.
I'm tempted to frame it for how farcical it all was! :D

The thing that riled me up the most was the fact that the first I heard there was a problem was when my boarding pass wouldn't scan at the ticket gates. I'd been in London since 06:20 killing time. I'd have tried to travel earlier if they'd have notified me.
 

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I'm guessing that your train was switched from an E320 to an E300. If the E320 is heavily booked then some people are going to be left behind sadly.

Not sure if Eurostar then select the people on Interrail as the ones to be offloaded? It would however make sense l as the compensation to pay will be lower and they're of less importance to Eurostar
 

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I guess you will never know, but I wonder if the train was totally full. With respect that they had upgraded some Standard Plus to Business Prem and some Standard people to Business Prem. These swaps happen very frequently. First time I have heard of this however.
 

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I'm guessing that your train was switched from an E320 to an E300. If the E320 is heavily booked then some people are going to be left behind sadly.

Not sure if Eurostar then select the people on Interrail as the ones to be offloaded? It would however make sense l as the compensation to pay will be lower and they're of less importance to Eurostar
I don't think they'll make their decision process public, but I'd assume they'd take all plus/premier passengers, and it would be logical if for the rest of the passengers it is based on arrival order, so that you don't keep seats free for people who don't show up or miss their train due to delays on the way to St Pancras?

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I guess you will never know, but I wonder if the train was totally full. With respect that they had upgraded some Standard Plus to Business Prem and some Standard people to Business Prem. These swaps happen very frequently. First time I have heard of this however.
Presumably they try and stick the e300s on services that haven't sold more than ~750 seats when switches happen.

There's about twice as many e320s as e300s, so the combination of a service swapping from e320 to e300 combined with there being over 750 passengers must be relatively rare.
 

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From my experience if the 1000 is swapped, then the 1100 is swapped the other way. I have in the past being offered to use an earlier train when sets are swapped. But then you need to arrive early enough to clear security. However I suspect my train which was swapped needed to get rid of a few passengers to avoid the situation the OP got into.
 

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From my experience if the 1000 is swapped, then the 1100 is swapped the other way. I have in the past being offered to use an earlier train when sets are swapped. But then you need to arrive early enough to clear security. However I suspect my train which was swapped needed to get rid of a few passengers to avoid the situation the OP got into.
I would have gladly offered to use an earlier train, and, indeed would very much have preferred to have done so. Only booked that train as that was the first one with passholder availability that I could actually make.
 
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