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GWR bicycle reservations doesn't guarantee spot for regular bike?

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I was reading GWR's bike policy, and it says:

"When making a reservation, please be aware
we can only guarantee your bike will fit if it
has a tyre width of 7cm or less and a rim
diameter of 50cm or less."

A normal Road bike has a rim of diameter 622mm unless I'm mistaken, so more than that 50cm!

Am I reading this correctly, as it seems surprising!?
 
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I was reading GWR's bike policy, and it says:

"When making a reservation, please be aware
we can only guarantee your bike will fit if it
has a tyre width of 7cm or less and a rim
diameter of 50cm or less."

A normal Road bike has a rim of diameter 622mm unless I'm mistaken, so more than that 50cm!

Am I reading this correctly, as it seems surprising!?
I doubt anyone is actually going to measure it. Its probably to discourage people with those huge oversized tyres etc.
 

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I was reading GWR's bike policy, and it says:

"When making a reservation, please be aware
we can only guarantee your bike will fit if it
has a tyre width of 7cm or less and a rim
diameter of 50cm or less."

A normal Road bike has a rim of diameter 622mm unless I'm mistaken, so more than that 50cm!

Am I reading this correctly, as it seems surprising!?
Seems a bit odd. As they state a tyre width, I’d presume they also would state a tyre diameter not a rim diameter.

Just measured two of my bikes. The road bike has a tyre diameter of 690mm and the mountain bike a tyre diameter of 750mm. Both well over the rim diameter of 622mm.
 

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26" mountain bike wheels have a rim diameter over 50cm and are the smallest wheels you ever get on full size bikes. They aren't even common now either, most MTBs have larger wheels these days.

I wonder if this is an error and it is meant to specify the maximum wheel size to be counted as a folding bike and be taken on peak time commuter trains or without a reservation? Full size 700c road, gravel and hybrid bikes certainly fit in the 80x cupboards.
 

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The GWR services that have cycle reservations have woefully poorly designed cycle spaces that are indeed too small to fit some normal road bikes! I tried to travel with mine once; it wouldn't fit in the "proper" way and I had to position it awkwardly sticking out of the cycle compartment and slightly blocking the exterior door, and then remain in sight of it for the whole journey in case anyone needed me to move it! Fortunately as it was a relatively short journey on a quiet train, nobody did.

However if someone turned up on a much busier service with a bike too large for the space, it could cause trouble, and of course actually putting some effort into the design of cycle spaces so that this sort of mess doesn't happen in the first place is out of the question, so a silly policy like this is left as the only solution.

The measurements chosen are a little odd though - as well as being extremely small (far smaller than the largest bike that would fit on an IET), I recall the issue with my bike was actually that it was too long to fit vertically in the space as designed, not that the wheels were too large or the tires too thick.

I doubt anyone is actually going to measure it. Its probably to discourage people with those huge oversized tyres etc.
They might not measure it but I imagine this policy is to allow them to remove bikes that are obviously too large for the IETs' (inadequately designed) cycle spaces.
 

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I have a mountain bike and it doesn't fit in the class 800s bike store well it does if its the only bike in there

Don't often have a reservation either as I usually travel on open tickets been denied and had wait for next a few times is whatever
 

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The measurements chosen are a little odd though - as well as being extremely small (far smaller than the largest bike that would fit on an IET), I recall the issue with my bike was actually that it was too long to fit vertically in the space as designed, not that the wheels were too large or the tires too thick.

Was it a touring bike? Those often have very long frames compared with traditional road bikes, primarily to provide for a less hunched riding position and more places to attach your bags when touring.

Of course, that's an IET design flaw and a half, as many bikes on trains to touristy places will be tourers.
 

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I doubt anyone is actually going to measure it. Its probably to discourage people with those huge oversized tyres etc.
That's not an oversized tyre though, as others have pointed out, they're excluding standard "full size" bikes/rims!

I do wonder as the others have said this should be applied to folding bikes instead.

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Actually, that looks very likely, as it mentions 20 inches on the webpage I linked in regards to folding, which is near enough to 50cm:

"You can bring a folding bike with a maximum 20-inch wheel without any restriction"
 
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I booked my bike on a Friday morning train from Reading to Castle Cary but when the train arrived the cycle compartment in the 5-car IET was piled to the roof with luggage and I was unable to board. Realising the next rain to Castle Cary was in two hours I went into Paddington to make sure I could get on, using opentraintimes to beat the platform announcement. Sure enough when I arrived in Reading there were two cyclists, presumably also with reservations, who were also unable to board.

GWR's cycle reservation system is woefully mismanaged.
 

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In my experience of putting bikes of IETs the requirement is due to the size of tire and rim and the size of the hook you have to hang the wheel from. The hook seemed to be designed to be used with older style road bikes from 10+ years ago when 23mm tires and narrow rims were the most common. A modern road bike where rims are deeper and 30mm+ tires sizes are common struggle to fit and don't even think about trying a modern mountain bike with wide tires and big rims.

The IET bike space is a bad design which has been known about since the introduction and was raised over 6 years ago by cyclists (https://road.cc/content/news/268059-lner-rethink-dangerous-bike-storage-new-trains) and was due to DFT specifications. LNER responded to the campaign and did what they could in the space, and have come up something with a larger hook so most road bike and the smaller end of mountain bikes are ok (seen in first image here https://yorkcyclecampaign.bike/2023/04/02/pushing-for-cycle-friendly-train-designs/) but still a tight space its a shame this is only on the LNER units and didn't become standard accross the 80x fleet. Unfortunately from the pictures I've seen the same system GWR have is used on the Avanti 805/807 too.

At least GWR policy says none reserved spaces are first come first served I have been stopped from getting on an LNER train by a guard before as they could only let you on with a bike reservation.

If you want a well designed space go for the TPE 397s 4 bikes on a 5 carriage train doubling what you get on GWR or LNER and with plug doors theres more space to fit then through too, no need to get and crew as its an open area and you can easily see your bike from the seats in the carridge. The only potential problem is people sitting in the flip down seats and getting them to move.
 

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I booked my bike on a Friday morning train from Reading to Castle Cary but when the train arrived the cycle compartment in the 5-car IET was piled to the roof with luggage and I was unable to board. Realising the next rain to Castle Cary was in two hours I went into Paddington to make sure I could get on, using opentraintimes to beat the platform announcement. Sure enough when I arrived in Reading there were two cyclists, presumably also with reservations, who were also unable to board.

GWR's cycle reservation system is woefully mismanaged.
GWR's information quality is woeful generally.
 

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Was it a touring bike? Those often have very long frames compared with traditional road bikes, primarily to provide for a less hunched riding position and more places to attach your bags when touring.
No, a hybrid bike, indeed one much closer to a road bike than a tourer or a mountain bike. It does however have a large frame, simply for comfort as I have very long legs.
 
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