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MML Electrification: is it going to be completed?

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If you live anywhere on the line north of Wigston, write to your local MP and ask them to continue putting pressure on the government to commit capital spend to the project.

I’ve done this already, by the way!
 
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There’s no mention of the MML in the main document:
The statement mentions £10.2Bn for rail enhancements other than HS2. About £6.5Bn is spelt out by TRU (£3.5Bn), EWR (£2.5Bn), Wales (£0.3Bn) and Leeds Station (£0.25Bn). The other schemes mentioned talk about "progressing" (i.e. design work) so presumably are not in the billions. Today did not, therefore, provide an exhaustive list of enhancements that are to be funded.

It seems we may have to wait for the Infrastructure Strategy announcement.

It’s also been regularly stated that there are no issues with wiring through Leicester,
Yes, and it would be quite brave of Network Rail to be penciling in possessions for electrification works on London Road Bridge, if they did not know if or how they were going to do it.

Grade separation is an idea that’s been confirmed as not happening,
Agree, I think the last mention of grade separation was one of the Enhancement Delivery Plans from CP5 pre-2019 and even then it was clearly an immature scheme that may have been firmly on the back burner after the Hendy Review.

The Strategic Advice Doc prepared in 2020 seemed to drop this in favour of 4-tracking with effectively 2 parallel railways - to/from Nuneaton would mainly use P1/2 and to/from London P3/4, with various possibilities for a P0 or P5. Midlands Connect are pushing for additional Leicester-Birmingham and eventually Nottingham-Coventry as their priorities. These obviously are not going to/from Melton Mowbray, so I assume Network Rail believe flat crossings North and South of the station will provide enough capacity for the existing XC/intermodals and any foreseeable increase.
 

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As it stands, winter 2026 Leicester - was a decision made on the potential fifth platform there (I saw plans which showed side platforms on either side - seems like growth is more likely from the Birmingham direction? MML would be a Bedford starter, per HS2 docs, or EWR/OA extensions - but Midlands Hub is also a contender - neither confirmed) - as that would of course impact the works?

Or those platform works would have to follow subsequently.
 

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As it stands, winter 2026 Leicester - was a decision made on the potential fifth platform there (I saw plans which showed side platforms on either side - seems like growth is more likely from the Birmingham direction? MML would be a Bedford starter, per HS2 docs, or EWR/OA extensions - but Midlands Hub is also a contender - neither confirmed) - as that would of course impact the works?

Or those platform works would have to follow subsequently.
Midlands Hub was mentioned in spending review, so that might mean 4tph from Birmingham to Leicester, then only 1 after, meaning more terminating platform capacity will be needed.
 

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Midlands Hub was mentioned in spending review, so that might mean 4tph from Birmingham to Leicester, then only 1 after, meaning more terminating platform capacity will be needed.

The text of the spending review document is below. The use of "West" is quite specific. Does this mean just the West Chord at Bordesley that benefits services to/from South Wales and the South West?

  • Funding to progress the next stage of Midlands Rail Hub West, strengthening connections from Birmingham across the West Midlands and to other regions.
 

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If you live anywhere on the line north of Wigston, write to your local MP and ask them to continue putting pressure on the government to commit capital spend to the project.

I’ve done this already, by the way!
With a majority of over 150, the government won’t give a rat’s behind. Of those constituencies which have a Labour MP, no doubt said MPs would have to toe the party line; and any Tory MPs are hamstrung by how small the parliamentary party is. The government are effectively unaccountable with such a disparity in numbers.

Let’s try to remain as optimistic as we can though!
 

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With bi-mode passenger stock increasingly common, it might make more sense to electrify the simpler avoiding line via Treeton to allow freight to run on electric before tackling Sheffield Station in the future.

Would a Sheffield Parkway Staion on The Treeton Line solve the Sheffield Midland problems?
 

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Indeed. Yes so that probably relates to the Camp Hill facing curve - and potentially those services (yet to begin, 2tph?) plus various mentioned for Bristol, Cardiff, Hereford at 1tph.

So doesn't sound like anything new for Leicester, re terminating services. Anything new from the MML side would run on through, and there is capacity for that.
 

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I’m not sure if it’s related at all to the (potential) upcoming electrification but something I’ve noticed on all of the signal gantries between Loughborough and Wigston South Jn is installation of a new, thin steel bar across the top of it.

Not sure if this is some sort of surge protector or something?
 

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It seems we may have to wait for the Infrastructure Strategy announcement.

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Do you know when that's due? I did try searching for this info but came up with nothing relevant, however I think I might have seen some reference to it being in the next couple of weeks.

Edit: A BBC East Midlands Today reporter has noted on the 18:30 bulletin that MML electrification was not mentioned, but that it may be in the infrastructure statement "next week".
 
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Do these weekend closures/ diversions for the next few weeks south of Leicester starting on Saturday have any bearing on this thread?
 

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Do these weekend closures/ diversions for the next few weeks south of Leicester starting on Saturday have any bearing on this thread?
Yes, as discussed in an earlier post on this thread there is some track lowering for electrification involved (note the summary generated below for some reason does not relate to the linked post, follow the link for the actual info):

 

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With a majority of over 150, the government won’t give a rat’s behind. Of those constituencies which have a Labour MP, no doubt said MPs would have to toe the party line; and any Tory MPs are hamstrung by how small the parliamentary party is. The government are effectively unaccountable with such a disparity in numbers.

Let’s try to remain as optimistic as we can though!
The Tories aren't the threat to Labour in those Red Wall type seats, it's Nigel Farage, who'll be happy to play the "Westminster doesn't care" card.
 

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What are we waiting for now and how long until that announcement(?) comes out until we know for definite that work on further electrification will be going ahead?
 

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What are we waiting for now and how long until that announcement(?) comes out until we know for definite that work on further electrification will be going ahead?
There's the Ten-Year Infrastructure Strategy that is due to be published this month. Some people on here are hoping that it will have some commitments to rail projects in addition to those (EWR, TRU) mentioned in last week's Spending Review.
 

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This maybe a bit tenuous and could easily be related to TRU but the Mail on Sunday has a story today bemoaning NR's lack of faith in British Steel by going out to international tender for steel piling, masts and girders for overhead electric equipment. The notice states it will be worth £23million per year for six years from October 2026.

State-owned Network Rail has snubbed UK steelmakers for a major contract, despite promises by the Chancellor to support the struggling industry.

In last week's Spending Review, Rachel Reeves mentioned the UK steel sector no less than 13 times and pledged that huge amounts of Government investment would give it a 'proud future'.

She boasted that UK steel would be used in nuclear power, submarines and a third Heathrow runway.

But the message may not have reached some areas of the public sector.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Network Rail put out a £140 million order for steel on the open market without favouring UK suppliers.

Im not interested in the Mails political angle but more that it indicates NR is gearing up for a reasonable level of electrification albeit call off contracts are intents rather than absolute requirements but at least they are enabling the ability to hit the ground running.

Mind you not sure how much steelwork 23m buys these days.
 

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New track has been placed down adjacent to the running lines at Wigston South Jn, ready for installation. There are also various blue pegs which have been placed, as well as shiny new metal lineside track circuits(?) been installed.
 

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There's the Ten-Year Infrastructure Strategy that is due to be published this month. Some people on here are hoping that it will have some commitments to rail projects in addition to those (EWR, TRU) mentioned in last week's Spending Review.
I've got a feeling that it has been semi-officially confirmed that it will (not extra money - just defining what some of the pots of money are to be spent on - it other words the "not quite worthy of national headlines" projects. It's noticeable that there has been near complete radio silence on certain projects which were "subject to the spending review" - where there should now be something to be said ("Go", "no go" or "creep forward until we've found a few more notes down the back of the sofa") - Portishead, for example.
 

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Since it's the speculative section of the forum, I'll make a prediction. Electrification of the MML gets completed as far as Derby and Nottingham only.
 

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Since it's the speculative section of the forum, I'll make a prediction. Electrification of the MML gets completed as far as Derby and Nottingham only.
Quite possible. There's no financial case to electrify Derby-Dore, given that the only traction likely to use it in the next decade is either diesel or bimode.

However, at 8tph, Dore-Sheffield is a much better candidate for electrification as battery EMUs become available.
 

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With bi-mode passenger stock increasingly common, it might make more sense to electrify the simpler avoiding line via Treeton to allow freight to run on electric before tackling Sheffield Station in the future.
Avoiding Sheffield has a long history going back to George Stephenson who took the Derby - Leeds line via Rotherham. HS2's original route was planned similarly.

Today LSL specials usually avoid Sheffield picking up at Chesterfield, Doncaster or Swinton to capture the South Yorkshire market.

Approach to Sheffield from the south was good after the tracks were quadrupled in 1904. Sadly that benefit had been lost by the 1980s when it had been reduced back to 2, land sold off and bridges removed.

In 1950 there was a large area of railway land around Sheffield station but much of that has been sold off too. Remodelling is necessary in a tighter area, built over the confluence of the River Sheaf and Porter Brook.

To the north and east the bottleneck into the Don valley is going to be a lot harder to resolve, certainly within the scope of available finance for projects outside London.

But surveying work between Dore and Sheffield has been seen, albeit it surveying of places to site survey points.

Grayling's bimodes came in for criticism at the time but are now looking very sensible - if only EMR's can be made to work.
 

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There doesn't seem to be any mention of MML Electrification in the 10 Year Infrastructure Strategy. It only really mentions the "transport for city regions allocation". Could it be that any funding for Electrification comes out of that pot of money?
 

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This story in the Guardian suggests rail pipeline published in July. The wait continues!


The Railway Industry Association chief executive, Darren Caplan, said a 10-year strategy and the commitment to publish a pipeline in July was extremely welcome, adding: “We look forward to seeing the full details of the pipeline, which will need to give businesses sufficient clarity to plan ahead.”
 

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This story in the Guardian suggests rail pipeline published in July. The wait continues!

On the one hand, this drags on as we wait and wait for the official word (although "on the ground" activity makes it look like NR has already got the nod).

On the other hand, a "pipeline" updated every six months sounds like we *might* finally get a rolling electrification programme with the efficiencies and cost saving that would bring (being very optimistic). However, I've no doubt it will all get brought to a crashing halt again when the colour of the government next changes.
 

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On the one hand, this drags on as we wait and wait for the official word (although "on the ground" activity makes it look like NR has already got the nod).

On the other hand, a "pipeline" updated every six months sounds like we *might* finally get a rolling electrification programme with the efficiencies and cost saving that would bring (being very optimistic). However, I've no doubt it will all get brought to a crashing halt again when the colour of the government next changes.
For as long as the political Right’s vote is split, this government isn’t going anywhere. So, I think you’ll have your wish for a while yet!

What hasn’t changed, though, is the frustrating uncertainty surrounding MML electrification - it was symptomatic of the previous government (Grayling and all that) and has continued under this one.

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Sadly true. I was a vociferous critic.
Yes me too. I was breathing fire at Grayling on a daily basis; but actually describing him as “failing” isn’t accurate - by sheer fluke, he got the call spot on.
 

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For as long as the political Right’s vote is split, this government isn’t going anywhere. So, I think you’ll have your wish for a while yet!

What hasn’t changed, though, is the frustrating uncertainty surrounding MML electrification - it was symptomatic of the previous government (Grayling and all that) and has continued under this one.
Well, we can live in hope that the pipeline's publication next month will finally dispel all the uncertainty, for the next few years anyhow.
 
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