Clayton Locomotives discussion (including CBD90 / Class 18)

[Peter Sarf]

18006 today at Basford Hall, been in the same position for a few weeks now, not moved since I did the tour round Basford Hall on 5th April.
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Was there on 27/03/2025 and i feel for quite a while before.

I recall it being said that they are all grounded.

 

[Rhysdabeast]

Was there on 27/03/2025 and i feel for quite a while before.

I recall it being said that they are all grounded.

I heard the same thing, something about the position of the battery and being close to the cab, can't remember what the reason was but it was something along those lines.

 

[BlueLeanie]

I recall it being said that they are all grounded.

As in they are electrically earthed or they aren't to be moved?

 

[Peter Sarf]

I heard the same thing, something about the position of the battery and being close to the cab, can't remember what the reason was but it was something along those lines.

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As in they are electrically earthed or they aren't to be moved?

I think it was because the fuel tank is close to the cab door and could cause the driver to be trapped if it caught fire. So staff are not using them.

 

[cj_1985]

Last i heard, the ACTUAL reason they weren't being used on NR yards was a union concern issue barring their use. I forget the specific concern/s

 

[Roger B]

18004 (nearest the camera), 18011, 18001

Seen in this Youtube video:

Wowzers, many thanks DBS92042 - and Peter Sarf for the additional notes.

Really helps me to get a netter understanding of the layout.

Looks like I'll be visiting the Kia dealership and LIDL periodically over the next few months, but not the canal path until the leaves come down again in the autumn.

And I too won't shed any tears if that "small pesky brick building" is removed - by any means fair or foul.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Wowzers, many thanks DBS92042 - and Peter Sarf for the additional notes.

Really helps me to get a netter understanding of the layout.

Looks like I'll be visiting the Kia dealership and LIDL periodically over the next few months, but not the canal path until the leaves come down again in the autumn.

And I too won't shed any tears if that "small pesky brick building" is removed - by any means fair or foul.

I am wondering about vegetation. The main culprit seems to be Ivy maybe - which is evergreen. So its not worth worrying about seasons just the onward march of the stuff year-on-year,

 

[trent129]

I took a drive to Wolverton today, 18001, 4 and 11 are visible from aldi. I took a walk from the abandoned works gate and saw the single loco between the works buildings. Any idea which one this is? Didn’t see the other 4 together in the line. Cheers

 

[Peter Sarf]

I took a drive to Wolverton today, 18001, 4 and 11 are visible from aldi. I took a walk from the abandoned works gate and saw the single loco between the works buildings. Any idea which one this is? Didn’t see the other 4 together in the line. Cheers

Gosh, what sort of lens are you using to get all three from ALDI ?.
Or have they moved from adjacent to that low brick outhouse ?.
Otherwise I usually get one or two of those three from behind the car dealership.

This abandoned works gate - where ?.

The other four are barely visible from the canal towpath. I have been wondering if a step ladder would help there ?.
On my previous visits there have maybe only been three, two, one or none there.

 

[trent129]

Gosh, what sort of lens are you using to get all three from ALDI ?.
Or have they moved from adjacent to that low brick outhouse ?.
Otherwise I usually get one or two of those three from behind the car dealership.

This abandoned works gate - where ?.

The other four are barely visible from the canal towpath. I have been wondering if a step ladder would help there ?.
On my previous visits there have maybe only been three, two, one or none there.

I used the Wolverton drone footage on YouTube for the IDs. The 3 in view from Adli he zooms in so the numbers can be seen. The 4 in the canal line are 5, 10, 13 but can’t id the 4th From the footage. If you could the one on its own will be known. There‘s an old gate next to quick fit. seems abandoned

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Also I went to Eastleigh and the two are still visible with binoculars

 

[Peter Sarf]

I used the Wolverton drone footage on YouTube for the IDs. The 3 in view from Adli he zooms in so the numbers can be seen. The 4 in the canal line are 5, 10, 13 but can’t id the 4th From the footage. If you could the one on its own will be known. There‘s an old gate next to quick fit. seems abandoned

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Also I went to Eastleigh and the two are still visible with binoculars

Ah.

Be very careful.

They seem to move the class 18s around in Wolverton.

For example back on 21/01/2025, when I visited, I could see no 18s were over by the canal. Also the 18001 in the video (25/03/2025) and seen by me on 24/03/2025 was in the space occupied by 18010 back on 21/01/2025.

That was two months apart with changes both sides. So now, two months later again, I would expect things to have changed again.

 

[trent129]

Ah.

Be very careful.

They seem to move the class 18s around in Wolverton.

For example back on 21/01/2025, when I visited, I could see no 18s were over by the canal. Also the 18001 in the video (25/03/2025) and seen by me on 24/03/2025 was in the space occupied by 18010 back on 21/01/2025.

That was two months apart with changes both sides. So now, two months later again, I would expect things to have changed again.

I know what you’re saying. There’s another drone video from 2 days ago Which is the day I went. You can compare between the two Videos. There are small differences between locos. 5 has a missing beacon logo from the black sole bar and locos have different sticker positioning on fuel tanks etc. 001 has different increments on the fuel tank altogether. I’m confident that at least the 3 visible are the same.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I know what you’re saying. There’s another drone video from 2 days ago Which is the day I went. You can compare between the two Videos. There are small differences between locos. 5 has a missing beacon logo from the black sole bar and locos have different sticker positioning on fuel tanks etc. 001 has different increments on the fuel tank altogether. I’m confident that at least the 3 visible are the same.

Can you provide a link to the latest video ?.
You certainly have been watching out for detail differences that are useful.

BTW - where did you view the pair of 18s at Eastleigh from ?.
Some seem to view a long way off from the road bridge but I feel there might be a view from behind the houses at more or less right angles to the 18s.

 

[trent129]

Can you provide a link to the latest video ?.
You certainly have been watching out for detail differences that are useful.

BTW - where did you view the pair of 18s at Eastleigh from ?.
Some seem to view a long way off from the road bridge but I feel there might be a view from behind the houses at more or less right angles to the 18s.

. Hope the link works. If it doesn’t search Wolverton class 18. I viewed the 2 Eastleigh ones from the bridge. Was in a rush so didn’t try the houses.

 

[Ashley Hill]

Do they move around at all?

 

[wickham]

Do they move around at all?

For the two at Eastleigh, a resonable view is obtained by going over the railway bridge and a few yards down the road towards the first (disused) gate. They can be seen (with binoculars) well in the far distance outside the test house, but beware, rolling stock is frequently moved around and the view is not always avaliable!
Attached is a very grotty picture with long zoom, taken Saturday 31.05.25:

 

[Peter Sarf]

For the two at Eastleigh, a resonable view is obtained by going over the railway bridge and a few yards down the road towards the first (disused) gate. They can be seen (with binoculars) well in the far distance outside the test house, but beware, rolling stock is frequently moved around and the view is not always avaliable!
Attached is a very grotty picture with long zoom, taken Saturday 31.05.25:

That photo gives a good indication of how well hidden the class 18s at Eastleigh works can be. Just replace those wagons in front of the class 43 with coaches and the 18s are hidden !.


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Do they move around at all?

I do not think the 18s at Eastleigh ever move as all photos I have seen show them in front of those roller shutters.

 

[trent129]

Looking through images and videos, the one on its own is 18008. It’s not moved much between the 2 videos ( the marks on the buffers are identical) The line by the canal are 5, 13, 9 and 10

 

[wickham]

That photo gives a good indication of how well hidden the class 18s at Eastleigh works can be. Just replace those wagons in front of the class 43 with coaches and the 18s are hidden !.


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I do not think the 18s at Eastleigh ever move as all photos I have seen show them in front of those roller shutters.

No, those two at Eastleigh have not moved much, but shortly after they arrived, they were partly inside the test shed, still visible, with the roller shutter doors open.

 

[Roylang]

When they were first at Eastleigh you could often find them in the north yard, where the 08s normally hang out. They initially moved about in the yard quite a bit, then went off to the works, ironic given they are now work shy.

Roy

 

[Ciderking]

18014 and 18015 outside Eastleigh Works today, can be seen from Campbell Road.

Eastleigh Works D9000 66710

D9000 (55022) newly painted, GBRf 66710 in new Rail 200 livery, 18014, 18015 and Belmond "The Britannic Explorer" carriages.

www.flickr.com

 

[Peter Sarf]

18014 and 18015 outside Eastleigh Works today, can be seen from Campbell Road.

Eastleigh Works D9000 66710

D9000 (55022) newly painted, GBRf 66710 in new Rail 200 livery, 18014, 18015 and Belmond "The Britannic Explorer" carriages.

www.flickr.com

I think that is the first time they have moved in ages. They might be in the same siding but are further from the sheds behind. They appear to be blocking in other stock now.

Is 66710 coupled to them ?.
(if coupled then it almost looks like they are ready to leave. I cannot see anything on RTT and I think they were delivered by road anyway)

 

[wickham]

No, 66710 iss not coupled to the 18s, you can see a gap between them and fully see the leading 18's buffer. They may have been delivered to Eastleigh (yard) by road, but I guess they moved from the yard to the works by rail and I expect they will leave the same way, when they do go. It is interesting that it has been reported elsewhere that the Class 18 at Freightliner Crewe has "disapeared" from view, (but it might be hiding somewhere on site).

 

[DBS92042]

There was only a singular 18 parked visible (from the Lidl car park) today, does anyone know which one please? TIA

 

[Peter Sarf]

No, 66710 iss not coupled to the 18s, you can see a gap between them and fully see the leading 18's buffer. They may have been delivered to Eastleigh (yard) by road, but I guess they moved from the yard to the works by rail and I expect they will leave the same way, when they do go. It is interesting that it has been reported elsewhere that the Class 18 at Freightliner Crewe has "disapeared" from view, (but it might be hiding somewhere on site).

Yes, taken together this might indicate a return to use is happening. Will have to wait and see. Is anyone aware of any concrete progress ?.

 

[Ciderking]

Clayton class 18s for sale !

Zero emission Class 18 hybrid battery shunting locomotives for sale

Details of the innovative zero emission Class 18 / CBD90 Hybrid+ hybrid battery shunting locomotives for sale, standard gauge battery shunter.

www.romicgroup.com

 

[Ashley Hill]

Clayton class 18s for sale !

Zero emission Class 18 hybrid battery shunting locomotives for sale

Details of the innovative zero emission Class 18 / CBD90 Hybrid+ hybrid battery shunting locomotives for sale, standard gauge battery shunter.

www.romicgroup.com

I see they have other British stuff for sale too.
I don’t think the 18s really caught on, to me they are more of an industrial shunter than anything that might generally operate on a mainline or yard.

 

[norbitonflyer]

I don’t think the 18s really caught on, to me they are more of an industrial shunter than anything that might generally operate on a mainline or yard.

Have any of them ever operated on NR tracks?

It would be fun to have one at a diesel gala!

 

[Trainman40083]

Have any of them ever operated on NR tracks?

It would be fun to have one at a diesel gala!

Depends what you call NR tracks. There is 18006 at Crewe Basford Hall, and haven't there been two at Eastleigh?

 

[Peter Sarf]

Depends what you call NR tracks. There is 18006 at Crewe Basford Hall, and haven't there been two at Eastleigh?

Last I worked out and I think still correct :-
18002 Loughborough Brush,
18003 Scunthorpe Steel Works,
18006 Crewe Yard for Freightliner,
18007 Tunstead (appears to be on private sidings),
18012 Whitemoor Yard,
18014 Eastleigh Works (was Eastleigh Yard) and
18015 Eastleigh Works (was Eastleigh Yard).
I think some of the above were for GBRF.

The remaining eight are awaiting deployment at Wolverton.
It now looks like they (over 50% of the class) will be in mint condition for any prospective buyers !.