Are these Hayes' line diagrams passenger services?

[brad465]

I discovered the existence of these diagrams when the NSE Networker (465908) was allocated to one of them yesterday (although technically ran today). They are non-stop runs between Hayes and Lewisham at the end of service, where they then become ECS runs to Grove Park. Both services have "2" as the starting headcode no., which would imply they are passenger services. However, National Rail Enquiries does not display these services on Journey Planner, while on RTT they are highlighted in blue, not white, which would imply they are not advertised as passenger services. Anyone know what's going on?

Realtime Trains | 2K92 0015 Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham | 04/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 2K92 0015 departure from Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham on 04/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 2K93 0030 Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham | 04/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 2K93 0030 departure from Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham on 04/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[JonathanH]

However, National Rail Enquiries does not display these services on Journey Planner, while on RTT they are highlighted in blue, not white, which would imply they are not advertised as passenger services. Anyone know what's going on?

No staff at Hayes to go through the process of officially shutting down the trains for the night so they go somewhere that someone can actually do it.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...eful-to-passengers.249803/page-2#post-6265203
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/december-2022-timetable-changes.231835/page-46#post-5868464

 

[Harpo]

Those aren’t diagrams. They are schedules.

 

[brad465]

I see, thank you for confirming.

 

[Harpo]

I see, thank you for confirming.

No problem. A diagram is a list of trips or part trips to be worked by a resource. It’s name came from originally being written as a time/distance graph/diagram.

 

[Tramfan]

I discovered the existence of these diagrams when the NSE Networker (465908) was allocated to one of them yesterday (although technically ran today). They are non-stop runs between Hayes and Lewisham at the end of service, where they then become ECS runs to Grove Park. Both services have "2" as the starting headcode no., which would imply they are passenger services. However, National Rail Enquiries does not display these services on Journey Planner, while on RTT they are highlighted in blue, not white, which would imply they are not advertised as passenger services. Anyone know what's going on?

Realtime Trains | 2K92 0015 Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham | 04/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 2K92 0015 departure from Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham on 04/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 2K93 0030 Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham | 04/05/2025

Real-time train running information for 2K93 0030 departure from Hayes (Kent) to Lewisham on 04/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

In the train information bit on both schedules, they have been planned as "unadvertised ordinary passenger" schedules