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If it is classed as storm damage then it is likely that an insurance claim can be made. Been there and done it. If it is due to "wear and tear" then no. Insurers don't just issue a blank cheque. Until the inspections and assessments are complete and a programme of work put together the cost will be only an informed guess. Interestingly the SVR has not yet made a direct appeal to members that I've seen. Of course insurance premiums then increase for everyone.
 
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I have just been looking through the special events page on the SVR website and all events that occur after june, e g The Pie Train, it state's that the line will be fully open again. Could this be jumping the gun somewhat? Or have l missed any news on latest developments.
Can't see this being mentioned in other SVR information, let alone any news about when the work will actually start or how long it will take. Doe's anyone know about any plans forthcoming?
 

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Plans are being developed, still a lot to sort out.
Somethings on the website haven't been updated yet.
The SVR website is not very reliable. There’s a diesel roster on there but it’s last years. It never got updated during 2024 either.

The adverts for SVR food and drink events are very entertaining though, mainly for the degree of partner swapping the photos seem to show!
 

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The SVR website is not very reliable. There’s a diesel roster on there but it’s last years. It never got updated during 2024 either.

The adverts for SVR food and drink events are very entertaining though, mainly for the degree of partner swapping the photos seem to show!
Well heritage railways need to find new ways to encourage visitors, so maybe the SVR has found a new (somewhat niche) way to increase revenue. Does it have any sleeper cars that it could bring into use too after the lunch or dinner is finished?
 

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I have just been looking through the special events page on the SVR website and all events that occur after june, e g The Pie Train, it state's that the line will be fully open again. Could this be jumping the gun somewhat? Or have l missed any news on latest developments.
Can't see this being mentioned in other SVR information, let alone any news about when the work will actually start or how long it will take. Doe's anyone know about any plans forthcoming?
Trains will still be running to Hampton Loade only at least until the end of May. Timetable for April and May dates are now on the website. Spring steam and diesel galas still going ahead. An engine will be in steam at Bridgnorth for the Steam gala (don't know if it there will be any footplate rides). Not sure there will be anything going on at Bridgnorth for the diesel gala.
 

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Sorry l meant plans for the landslip repairs.
Cancelling any money spinning events is not an option for the line.
 

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Out of interest has there been any suggestion of being able to run a bit further out of Bridgnorth while the line is closed at Sterns? Eardington might prove to be too close to the closure but one could imagine more interest being generated by brake van runs up to Crossing Cottage at the summit or something like that.
 

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Out of interest has there been any suggestion of being able to run a bit further out of Bridgnorth while the line is closed at Sterns? Eardington might prove to be too close to the closure but one could imagine more interest being generated by brake van runs up to Crossing Cottage at the summit or something like that.
I’m told there are no coaches at the Bridgnorth end.
 

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I’m told there are no coaches at the Bridgnorth end.
It wouldn't be difficult to move a brake van (or two) if there wasn''t one on hand at Bridgnorth. (assuming there is a supply of brake-valve fitted brake vans...)

I think it's a great idea for a day out (or two.) SVR Kidder to somewhere, maybe a night at the 'Spoons hotel at Bewdley, train and/or Vintage bus to Bridgnorth, brake van ride, tour of the works and bus back south for a train to Kidder and the train home!
 

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It's good that the Resilience Fund appeal has raised £125,000.

An insurance company is examining whether SVR has a valid claim. I assume it'll depend on whether there was an exclusion clause. If 'not', then the next stop will be whether the insurer finds that SVR maintained the track to an acceptable standard, which just like home insurance policies would normally be a stipulation.

However SVR still needs more donations as even if a claim is accepted, there'll be a substantial, though unspecified publicly, excess.
 
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There is a report that the excess is several £100,000s. So if there is a valid claim, the SVR have a lot of money to find.
 

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An update from the railway
Two key quotes
The SVR’s managing director, Jonathan ‘Gus’ Dunster explained more:

‘We are delighted with this decision by our insurers, which means we can now move ahead with fixing things. Nevertheless, the SVR is still going to be responsible for funding a substantial excess as part of the settlement.

‘We are still in negotiation with the insurers about the exact amount, but thanks to the generous donations that supporters have made to the SVR Resilience Fund and the SVR Charitable Trust since the landslip, we are confident that we will be able to cover this.

‘What’s important here is that our insurance company’s acceptance of the claim means we will not have to launch a full-scale appeal for the landslip repairs, which would have meant further delays before we could put things right.’

In conjunction with its insurers, the SVR has appointed civil engineering contractors CML to carry out all the works required at Mor Brook to reinstate the line. The railway’s infrastructure management and permanent way teams will be working with CML to provide logistical support and carry out work related to the track.

SVR head of infrastructure Chris Bond said:

‘Firstly, CML must carry out essential and detailed civil engineering design work. Over the next three to four weeks, our own permanent way team will remove track in preparation for the main contract works to commence.

‘Subject to statutory approvals from the Environment Agency and National Grid, we hope to start the main contract works within six to eight weeks.

‘Timescales are still subject to the production of a final programme of works, and we will provide an update on this in due course. Clearly, at this stage it is impossible to pin down a finish date. This will depend on many variables, such as the weather, procurement of materials and gaining statutory approvals. It is unlikely to be completed before the middle of the summer and it could be later, depending on these variables.’
There is a report that the excess is several £100,000s. So if there is a valid claim, the SVR have a lot of money to find.
The resilience fund is now over £159k so a decent amount in the kitty.
 

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Good news given the circumstances and I hope it goes well.
Insurance renewal may be problematic and the rest of the line will require careful monitoring but how do you prevent such occurrences without spending more money?
Pleased to read this update.
 

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Good news given the circumstances and I hope it goes well.
Insurance renewal may be problematic and the rest of the line will require careful monitoring but how do you prevent such occurrences without spending more money?
Pleased to read this update.

Yes I rather suspect that not only will the premium go up considerably but the insurers may seek to increase the excess too.

This may be one pf those problematic cases where the SVR will have to consider what actions they can take to try and reduce the risk of such an occurrence happening (again) and weigh up premium reduction (or smaller increase) vs the cost of defensive measures.
 

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Good to hear thing's are positive. Also mentioned by the SVR announcement they hope to cover the insurance excess with both the resilience and SVR charitable trust funds.
 

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Yes I rather suspect that not only will the premium go up considerably but the insurers may seek to increase the excess too.

This may be one pf those problematic cases where the SVR will have to consider what actions they can take to try and reduce the risk of such an occurrence happening (again) and weigh up premium reduction (or smaller increase) vs the cost of defensive measures.
OR: We cant afford to fix the problem without a pay-out so will wear the increases and deal with those problems at a later date.

in any event - it is great news this will be fixed
 

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OR: We cant afford to fix the problem without a pay-out so will wear the increases and deal with those problems at a later date.

in any event - it is great news this will be fixed
The danger then being that a further claim (or even an event that may give rise to a claim) causes the insurer to increase the premium to an unaffordable level or withdraw cover completely.

As you say though at least it is being fixed and the SVR will be able to resume normal operations.
 

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The danger then being that a further claim (or even an event that may give rise to a claim) causes the insurer to increase the premium to an unaffordable level or withdraw cover completely.

As you say though at least it is being fixed and the SVR will be able to resume normal operations.

The insurance industry wil be considering cover for all similar risks. It's not only SVR that may face increased future premiums and tighter exclusion clauses.
 

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The danger then being that a further claim (or even an event that may give rise to a claim) causes the insurer to increase the premium to an unaffordable level or withdraw cover completely.
agreed - however that is a problem for tomorrow. Today we need to get the line open.
 

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Although not directly related to the landslide, the SVR has agreement to restructure the railway, which was proposed last year.

It is hoped it will allow the railway to access more funds than previously possible, and this must help given that this landslip will cost the railway a great deal.

This change is expected to progress this summer, and to be completed by the end of the year.
 
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Although not directly related to the landslide, the SVR has agreement to restructure the railway which was proposed last year. It is hoped it will allow the railway to access more funds than previously possible, and this must help given that this landslip will cost the railway a great deal.
This change is expected to progress this summer and to be completed by the end of the year.
Sadly, a few days ago criminal damage was done to some carriages in Kidderminster by yobs throwing stones. What is happening to society?
What do you mean by restructure?
 

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Currently the SVR is composed of three bodies: SVR Holdings, the plc
SVR Guarantee, the membership body.
SVR charitable trust.
Holdings and Guarantee are combining now with the CT joining hopefully in the near future.
Thank you. Not sure how this helps although I do not doubt that it will. I'm in favour if it helps financially. The SVR has a lot of infrastructure which now needs closer monitoring imho, driven by global warming if nothing else. Of course, we have always had bad weather in the past which could cause similar damage.
 

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Thank you. Not sure how this helps although I do not doubt that it will. I'm in favour if it helps financially. The SVR has a lot of infrastructure which now needs closer monitoring imho, driven by global warming if nothing else. Of course, we have always had bad weather in the past which could cause similar damage.
The restructure was announced last year.
 
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