Leogilbert007
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I’m curious - when I put my CCST into the gateline barrier does it simply check validity, or does it imprint anything onto the ticket (eg. A number, engraving or something to say the ticket has been used for entry at station X)?
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Tazi Hupefi
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If they are the new Transport for Wales barriers, yes, they will print on to the ticket itself AND write to the magnetic strip. It will print something like CDQ 1811 0930 (Cardiff Queen Street, 18/11 09:30).
If they're the old gates found most other places, the magnetic strip is written to say what location code and date/time it was used.
If they're the old gates found most other places, the magnetic strip is written to say what location code and date/time it was used.
I never knew TFW have new ticket barriers that print something on the ticket. That sounds like an interesting feature.
Where does it place the marking? The front or back of the ticket? Also what happens if you break your journey multiple times and therefore put it in to barriers multiple times? Does it keep stamping again and again over the original stamp at each barrier?
Tazi Hupefi
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There's a few modes depending on the ticket type, but the final exit print is on the front of the ticket, vertically on the right hand side, from the top orange band to just above the bottom orange band.
Does this mean that TFW barriers will no longer "consume" tickets on exit?
Tazi Hupefi
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Varies by location and/or risk at that location. There's something of a calibration period ongoing at the moment - as part of the trial, working out the most effective settings.
Obviously assists with delay repay / fraud prevention - as well as ticket misuse.
Leogilbert007
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Huh, the more you know…. Thanks
TfW have a handful of Vix barriers in addition to the more common Cubic ones. They were installed as part of the EMV Pay As You Go trial and don't have a capture bin for magstripe tickets.
Tazi Hupefi
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Are you sure the new ones at Pontypridd don't?
I stand corrected. Clearly things have moved on from the version I saw at Cardiff Central.
Tazi Hupefi
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TfW needed to replace (or heavily upgrade) the gate technology anyway to support their new pay as you go scheme, as well as some other enhancements in the pipeline, mainly concerning the validation logic. The new gates were/are cheaper than upgrading/modifying the existing ones.
Gates should never have been as expensive as they were - certain suppliers strangled the market and charged the world for it, and the technology has aged terribly.
New entrants to the gateline and validation market can be very attractively priced as they want a foot in the door.
From what I've heard, they're still charging ludicrous amounts.
Sounds to me like cubic got a bit greedy and overpriced the upgrades so much that new gates were cheaper.
Wallsendmag
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May have forgotten completely how to do CEMV more likely
CEMV - please ?
I only just about remember that CCST means “credit card sized tickets” or similar.
Presumablly contactless EMV.
EMV is the standard used for modern smart payment cards, named after the three networks that devised it, Europay (now part of Mastercard), Mastercard and Visa.
Thank you.
Wallsendmag
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C is contactless as above
Not quite, another PAYG scheme is planning to use the existing Cubic gates but with upgraded readers which will support EMV.
Progress is happening within Cubic, however it’s such a bureaucratic organisation, everything takes twice as long and twice the amount of cash than the newer companies entering the market such as Vix.
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Did they strange the market or were they one of the only ones in it?
Until the emergence of Vix as a competitor you had Cubic and S&B (who up until recently had a shoddy offering)
Wallsendmag
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I'm well aware of the GM scheme and I'm also well aware of the answer TfW had to their request from said supplier.
Indeed, as discussed in this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/uk-ticket-barriers-printing-on-tickets.284342/
Do many TfW stations have them, apart from Cardiff Central and Queen Street?
Bridgend and Pontypridd have them also
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