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Arad-Ghioroc rural tramway, Romania

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alex397

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As I’m sure many of you already know, this is a rare example of an interurban or rural tramway still in existence.
I travelled on it a few days ago, and it is well worth a visit if you like examples of this sort of tramway, and to ride ex-German trams from the 1960s/1970s. The track condition is terrible though, so you’re in for a bumpy and slow ride. There are sections where the tram has to almost come to a stop to get over an especially bad piece of track. You need to work out the timetable though, as this line, largely covered by the 11 and 12, is infrequent.
There is a tram museum in Ghioroc, though I did not visit as just got the tram back to Arad. Plus I guess it may only open at weekends.

Considering many such rural trams in Europe were dismantled half a century ago, I’m curious to how this one has survived. My observations:
- Despite the slow journey time, trams were relatively busy compared to what I was expecting, with a variety of age groups using it during the middle of the day
- the road network parallel to it is very well maintained, and vehicles just fly past the slow tram - if people can afford a car here, I doubt they’d even consider using the tram. I wonder if the authorities have considered replacing it with a bus service, which would probably be much quicker! The tram track relics passing alongside the impressive new road infrastructure is quite a contrast.
- as mentioned, the track is in terrible condition. It would surely need a complete rebuild if it is to survive into the future - it seems only older stock can work the line, many of which are 60 years of age - presumably the new low floor stock cannot work this line (never seen a picture of one working this line)
- Conversely, at many of the stops in the villages, brand new shelters are installed with digital displays. Whoever funded those must see a future for the line (though they could easily just be used as bus shelters in the future!
- I believe the villages are not part of the Arad municipal area, so I presume different authorities must have to fund it. As we know in the UK, this can be complicated (e.g cross border bus services in London).
Does anyone have an info about how this has managed to survive? And if it has a future?
 
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Looks like you timed your visit well. A Rumanian source says via google translate:

The Arad City Hall will start works to modernize the tram line from Podgoria to Micălaca, with the construction site estimated to start in July 2025. These works will suspend tram traffic for three years, and public transport will be provided by buses. The works will include the restoration of the entire line, except for the already modernized portion on Voinicilor. It is also planned to extend the line to Ghioroc, in partnership with the County Council, given the need to modernize the existing infrastructure.

Other articles are unclear whether the upgrading of the country section is actually funded - it may be just a plan. Meanwhile RRB.

How did it survive - inertia.
 

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Looks like you timed your visit well. A Rumanian source says via google translate:



Other articles are unclear whether the upgrading of the country section is actually funded - it may be just a plan. Meanwhile RRB.

How did it survive - inertia.
Thanks for this. Looks like I did time it well! I was considering my current Romania/Hungary trip for the summer, with the main aim being the Ghioroc tramway. I’m glad I did it sooner!
 

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Most likely these busshelters are financed by some advertising company, who will also thus get the income out of that. Very common on East-Europe.
As for your last question; I suspect , but this is just based on other news-items and what I heard from other such systems, and on your report on the current state: it will hardly make a loss the way it is running today. Major cost for such lines are staff and wages are still low over there, but also a lot higher as long ago. Cost for maintenance etc. seems close to 0 and current cannot be very high in cost. Many years ago there were reported to be a few systems where the ´wages´ for staff were the takings from tickets sold.
From my knowledge-visited all ROmanian systems in the years soon after turning to the west, there is just 1 other such rural line: from Sibiu. ROmania has so often changed its borders during the years that this was in the old Austro-HUngarian empire long ago.
Its more remarkable that nearly all systems survive, only Constanta has closed down, both tram and trolley, pretty soon after communism fell, to give this touristy city by the beach a cleaner street image.
1 or 2 other tramsystems closed down for a year or two to get a complete renovation, mostly financed by the EU. The most recent one was Craiova, I think. This may also be a reason to keep this line running: the hope to get some subsidy from EU in the end.
But thanks to oldman for finding this news that explains it and gives some hope for the future.
 

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... there is just 1 other such rural line: from Sibiu.
was, rather than is.

The line out to Rasinari had been cut back to start at the zoo, on the outskirts of Sibiu, and run as a tourist operation. Last autumn it was dead and had not been operated for several years judging by the track and overgrowth, trees overgrowing the contact wire, at least as far as the Astra museum (open air historic buildings and rural life) which was as far as I went by bus. There was a vehicle, probably one of the ex-Genevas, looking very dead blocking the Zoo/Hilton terminus.
 

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Its more remarkable that nearly all systems survive, only Constanta has closed down, both tram and trolley, pretty soon after communism fell, to give this touristy city by the beach a cleaner street image.
Since the overthrow of Nicolae Ceaușescu, urban Romanian tram systems have also closed in Botoșani, Brașov and Satu Mare, as well as Constanța. The Sibiu–Rășinari tram line closed in 2011 and the urban network in Sibiu many years earlier. The single tram line in Reșița recently re-opened. Tram systems in the former Romanian cities of Chernivtsi and Chişinău closed in 1967 and 1961 respectively, to be replaced by trolleybuses.

Of the 19 Romanian trolleybus networks extant in 1998, 10 have subsequently closed, although that in Vaslui recently re-opened, leaving 10 operational networks.
 
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