TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[37052 xb mr]

Do we know what is on 1W61 tomorrow? I was briefly worried that is the same diagram as 1W11, but after going back a couple of pages it seems that it is a different diagram.

At least 18:30 from Piccadilly is quieter than the 16:30 and the 17:30 if a 197 is substituting. I do not know what the impacts on other peaks elsewhere on the line are.

67008 set 1

 

[Topological]

67008 set 1

Thank you.

Still going to make sure to be at Piccadilly for the inward arrival just in case.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Any news on tomorrow please
Both Crewe starts showing no ID
Is set 4 back out ?
And 010 on set 2
Thanks

 

[MP393]

Any news on tomorrow please
Both Crewe starts showing no ID
Is set 4 back out ?
And 010 on set 2
Thanks

Crewe starts currently showing as
67010 + HD02 1V33 start
67013 + HD04 1V31 start

Holyhead start has 67015 + HD03

Canton sets not allocated as of yet

 

[37052 xb mr]

Crewe starts currently showing as
67010 + HD02 1V33 start
67013 + HD04 1V31 start

Holyhead start has 67015 + HD03

Canton sets not allocated as of yet

Thanks

 

[sd0733]

Canton sets not allocated as of yet

Planned for 67017+HD06 on 1W11 start
67008+HD01 1W13 start

HD07 is now stopped for exam while HD05 TO vehicle is undergoing heavy maintenance at Crewe ETD, the rest of the rake awaits tyre turning.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Planned for 67017+HD06 on 1W11 start
67008+HD01 1W13 start

HD07 is now stopped for exam while HD05 TO vehicle is undergoing heavy maintenance at Crewe ETD, the rest of the rake awaits tyre turning.

Thanks

 

[37052 xb mr]

1W13 is 197002

 

[Topological]

1W13 is 197002

That is going to be cosy.

I see it was supposed to HD01, we had problems at Shrewsbury last night (though I feel it was more that the problems could be looked at at Shrewsbury, and were something that kept going). Hopefuly, whatever those problems are can be resolved.

 

[37052 xb mr]

197112, 1W61 & 1V62
67010 Set 2, 1W96

 

[sd0733]

HD01 will be on Canton all day, not sure on the issue but Its Planned back out tomorrow

Planned out tomorrow are HD06 and HD01 out of Canton while HD03 and HD04 are planned on the Crewe diagrams.

Sunday is planned for HD01 out of Canton and HD07 out of Crewe.

Monday should see HD01 and 03 out of Canton, HD02 out of Holyhead and HD04 and 07 from Crewe.

HD05 is under maintenance at ETD and HD06 stops tomorrow when it gets back to Crewe for a couple of days for exam.

 

[37052 xb mr]

HD01 will be on Canton all day, not sure on the issue but Its Planned back out tomorrow

Planned out tomorrow are HD06 and HD01 out of Canton while HD03 and HD04 are planned on the Crewe diagrams.

Sunday is planned for HD01 out of Canton and HD07 out of Crewe.

Monday should see HD01 and 03 out of Canton, HD02 out of Holyhead and HD04 and 07 from Crewe.

HD05 is under maintenance at ETD and HD06 stops tomorrow when it gets back to Crewe for a couple of days for exam.

Thank you

 

[Jez]

197112, 1W61 & 1V62

At least a 3 car was found to cover. I see the 1730 Manchester to Milford Haven is a 2 car 197 yet again. Not booked for a MK4 of course but the impact of 197s covering for MK4's is why others were short formed.

 

[Topological]

At least a 3 car was found to cover. I see the 1730 Manchester to Milford Haven is a 2 car 197 yet again. Not booked for a MK4 of course but the impact of 197s covering for MK4's is why others were short formed.

The first Friday I did not have to take that train. Very happy that I did not need to be on the 17:30 if it was 2-car.

There really needs to be a relief for that train to take commuters to Crewe (and surprisingly Nantwich). I know stock is in short supply, but would be good if something could be done.

Even if it meant the 17:30 having to follow something slower, I suspect those going longer distances would be glad of the space of the train.

 

[sd0733]

There really needs to be a relief for that train to take commuters to Crewe (and surprisingly Nantwich). I know stock is in short supply, but would be good if something could be dodone.

Pre-covid the 17:27 Bournemouth XC acted as a bit of a relief for the 17:30. Now, despite that running via Crewe it is non stop from Stockport to Stafford so it now takes the path from Cheadle Hulme to Crewe and doesn't take any of the passengers.
Realistically though if a unit could be rustled up to work a relief, that same unit would be better utilised running the 1730 in its booked formation.

 

[MP393]

Not booked for a MK4 of course but the impact of 197s covering for MK4's is why others were short formed.

And it is exactly that, on this occasion as 197112 was originally allocated to the 17:30, with 049. Ended up being pinched at Cardiff to cover the Mk4, with 049 working it solo. Was full & standing until Wem.

 

[37052 xb mr]

67008 set 1 not made it again
1W11 is 197106

 

[Topological]

Pre-covid the 17:27 Bournemouth XC acted as a bit of a relief for the 17:30. Now, despite that running via Crewe it is non stop from Stockport to Stafford so it now takes the path from Cheadle Hulme to Crewe and doesn't take any of the passengers.
Realistically though if a unit could be rustled up to work a relief, that same unit would be better utilised running the 1730 in its booked formation.

I had forgotten about the 17:27 being one of those that went via Crewe.

I must confess I was thinking of a Northern EMU rather than anything which could be attached to the 17:30. Appreciate it is a pathing thing, but that was why I said it would not matter if the 17:30 ended up slower towards Crewe. As long as it gets out of Manchester alright it can recover some time later using the better performance of the 197s.

 

[Jez]

I see today the diagram starting with 0435 CDF-MAN is formed of a 3 car 197 (197106)

Guess HD01 didnt make it out of the depot again.

 

[BillStampy]

Crewe diagram tomorrow is showing as 197034, HD01 didn't make it off Canton either and HD03 didn't work 1W61!

 

[37052 xb mr]

Crewe diagram tomorrow is showing as 197034, HD01 didn't make it off Canton either and HD03 didn't work 1W61!

Both Units today

 

[Jez]

Both Units today

I'm guessing the Sunday diagrams have been sacrificed to keep the weekday ones running ?

 

[sd0733]

I'm guessing the Sunday diagrams have been sacrificed to keep the weekday ones running ?

Not really. There's not enough working for all 5 diagrams tomorrow.
Hopefully 4 diagrams tomorrow but potentially only 2 if HD01 and 07 aren't repaired in time.

 

[Jez]

Not really. There's not enough working for all 5 diagrams tomorrow.
Hopefully 4 diagrams tomorrow but potentially only 2 if HD01 and 07 aren't repaired in time.

Which diagram tomorrow is expected to be the one covered by a unit ? (assuming that there will indeed be 4)

 

[37052 xb mr]

Tomorrow expected
1V31 Crewe 197125
1V91 Holyhead 67010 set 2
1V33 Crewe 67013 set 4 ?
Cardiff starts if fit are
67008 set 1
67015 set 3

 

[sd0733]

Tomorrow expected
1V31 Crewe 197125
1V91 Holyhead 67010 set 2
1V33 Crewe 67013 set 4 ?
Cardiff starts if fit are
67008 set 1
67015 set 3

Set 3 is locoless now. HD07 is failed at Crewe with door faults.
HD05 planned back from ETD to ATC tomorrow.

Which diagram tomorrow is expected to be the one covered by a unit ? (assuming that there will indeed be 4)

At least the one starting 04:35 from Canton. The other one will run as long as HD01 is available.

 

[Topological]

Set 3 is locoless now. HD07 is failed at Crewe with door faults.
HD05 planned back from ETD to ATC tomorrow.

At least the one starting 04:35 from Canton. The other one will run as long as HD01 is available.

Does anyone know what is wrong with HD01? It was not behaving on the way back from Manchester on Thursday and has not been out since.

I suspect 1W13 is going to be a unit today, but am happy to be proven wrong.

Gone for 1W12 again tomorrow, so that is a unit. I just hope none of the Mk4 diagrams steal half of the consist.

 

[Jez]

The 0543 Swansea this morning is 197120

 

[sd0733]

The 0543 Swansea this morning is 197120

Swapped from the original plan and a Mk4 sent out on 0433 instead.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Does anyone know what is wrong with HD01? It was not behaving on the way back from Manchester on Thursday and has not been out since.

I suspect 1W13 is going to be a unit today, but am happy to be proven wrong.

Gone for 1W12 again tomorrow, so that is a unit. I just hope none of the Mk4 diagrams steal half of the consist.

HD01 is on route to Manchester
On 1W11 with 67008.