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Just the Daventry water and Toton cars left then?
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littledude
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Plus the sporadic flows of rails outbound from Scunthorpe and inbound from Austria
Ploughman
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May be a silly question, but what happens to the slab in the event of a power cut mid lift?
Adrian Barr
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They are advertised as "permanent" magnets (there's a more scientific explanation on the website) which only require power to turn the magnet on or off. So you could have a slab stuck to the magnet if the batteries failed but it wouldn't fall off!
Tinsley 1976
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I've been told gbrf av ad contract cancelled and dB will b taking it back over from 2day 66786 has already taken its wagons to tidal for storage this morning is there any truth in this anybody know
zwk500
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All the steel trains in Bristol and Cardiff recently have had DB locos on the front, so when did GBRf take over the contract?
Tinsley 1976
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I've been informed that gbrf have ad contract terminated and dB taking it back over from 2day ...66786 has already taking wagons to tidal cdf for storage this morning I ope this is not true anybody know ?
Tinsley 1976
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Bout 2weeks ago runs thu cdf Central ar bout 0915 mg to Portbury then returning loaded bout 1830
GBRF started Monday last week, with Biffa 66783 working all that week, it’s been 66786 so far this week - GBRF seem to be keeping the same loco on whereas DB seemed to change it daily most weeks and sometimes run two trains a day. 66786 also ran last Saturday scheduled from Margam-Portbury but went into East Depot then disappeared off Traksy, and the loco was working elsewhere on Monday so don’t know what happened there.
Picture below of a loaded KEA passing the end of the single line section signal at Ashton, some had two slabs loaded, others three, of varying width.
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Picture below of a loaded KEA passing the end of the single line section signal at Ashton, some had two slabs loaded, others three, of varying width.
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There is a DB train running to Portbury today (6Z55 headed by frequent flyer on the line 66651) so perhaps some truth in this. I wonder what the issue could be?
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Partially true - the wagons are heading to Cardiff Docks to enable urgent repairs/maintenance to take place.
A couple of my subscribers in the Bristol area said that towards the end of the first week of operation,
many of the GB wagons could be seen to be visibly 'bent' in the middle, so presumably some sort of
strengthening will have to be added while they are at Cardiff?
MARK
I checked my video from Tuesday and a couple of wagons might be showing signs of distortion, though not sure. Perhaps notable that there were only 12 in the rake whereas I think 19 were out the first day the service ran.
geordieblue
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Read on Facebook that GBRF are due to start a new flow to Workington - not sure what of. Route learners running today: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R59859/2025-03-13/detailed
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The Aberystwyth logs seems to be a very irregular runner. Are there plans to increase this flow following the demise of the Baglan Bay working?
Pinus contorta
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There was something similar going on a couple of weeks ago. The route learner came south to Barrow ( I think from Carlisle) sat in the station for a while around 1400 waiting for the Lancaster to Carlisle all stations passing through and then returned north. It was GBRF I recall.
Adrian Barr
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That was a light engine move using the Portbury 6C92 path, running as 0C92 and then cancelled off at Bristol. The next GBRF slab working started up as 6Z92 from Margam to Portbury on Monday 10th, returning loaded as the usual 6B92.
I think the slabs put a lot of stress on the frames as the load is not evenly distributed, and the weight is in the centre of the wagon rather than over the bogies. I think it was problems with the frames that led to a lot of the older BAA / BBA types being withdrawn (although there are the 60 BAAs being delivered from Stoke with new frames from Poland).
This photo of the venerable BTAs used on slab traffic has the comment "note the sagging" (particularly if you look at the wagons closer to the loco) - https://www.ltsv.com/rd/photo_view.php?id=9172
I'm not sure what kind of work other than light repairs could realistically be done to the wagons at Cardiff, unless they are going to take them back to Shirebrook for modification? Steel wagons are maintained at Tidal, but the facilities are basic "outstation repair" facilities from what I can tell - I think repairs (and wagon scrapping) are done in the area at the top left of this drone shot:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_hoare/54013240049/ (Photo: Andy Hoare)
I don't know anything about the contract (or the wagon issues for that matter) other than what I've read here, but there are schedules uploaded for DB to run 6Z55 / 6Z53 again tomorrow (Friday 14th):
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...4/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=ZZ
This did run - and brought us a new HTE 66 to the line - 66659. Noted that it was running using the DB paths today (outbound working departing lunchtime) rather than yesterday which seemed to be working more to GBRF’s schedule of a mid-morning arrival and late afternoon departure. The bonus being that I could pop down the hill to see it in my lunch break!
(Picture shows DB red 66659 working in the Avon Gorge taken from boundary fence approaching Clifton Bridge Tunnel No.1, which is behind the camera)
Class15
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Seems that DRS are using Class 88 engines on both Tilbury/Daventry diagrams today, rather than previously when they worked 4M77/4L48 but with 66s still in charge of 4M07/4L27. Fantastic news if this stays this way longer term. DRS are making much better use of the 88s now, with Daventry to Trafford Park, Tilbury and Coatbridge being the services they are using them on now!
geordieblue
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There’s a path in for Cardiff Tidal-Exeter Riverside next week - new scrap metal flow, wagons for storage, or a mislabelled light engine move? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R61281/2025-03-25/detailed
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It's the 'bent' KEA wagons that were used by GBRf for a week or so recently as part of
their ill fated attempt to take over the Portbury to Margam steel from DBS.
MARK
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Does this mean that GBRf have permanently given up on that flow?
littledude
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No, they haven’t
Rhinojerry
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It is booked again for tomorrow 24/03..out of interest what is in the wagons please.Thanks
Wandering pete
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Cement....seems that there is a problem with the Centenary Bridge over the Ship Canal preventing the usual ships coming in from Ireland...until that is resolved the trains will probably continue to bring the cement in for distribution by road..usual load is 18 JGA's..4 trains have run so far.
Rhinojerry
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Thats great,thank you.
Class15
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GB Railfreight have just begun a daily London Gateway - East Midlands Gateway service. Is this a long term or short term flow? It passes through London right in the middle of the evening peak which I’m sure won’t be popular with the Overground!
The paths are:
4L24 East Mids - London Gateway: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R61923/2025-03-24/detailed
4M24 London Gateway - East Mids: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R61924/2025-03-24/detailed
The paths are:
4L24 East Mids - London Gateway: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R61923/2025-03-24/detailed
4M24 London Gateway - East Mids: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R61924/2025-03-24/detailed
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Class15
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Thank you Mark.
Evidently the Maersk switch is starting to make an impact.
IGNORE: 4L04 is cancelled.
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One of my subscribers visited Rainham (on the LTS) last Friday afternoon and saw
seven intermodal workings, most of which were running to/from London Gateway,
plus the West Thurrock cement empties in just under 70 minutes.
And the line is expected to get even busier next month as yet more trains transfer
from Felixstowe to Gateway - the Thames Haven branch needs electrifying ASAP!
MARK
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Wow - you do sometimes get that kind of traffic at Upper Holloway, but that is generally augmented by Dagenham Ford trains, the oddball 4M88 from Felixstowe and stone trains. Seven intermodals to/from Tilbury/Thames Haven in 70 minutes is incredible!One of my subscribers visited Rainham (on the LTS) last Friday afternoon and saw
seven intermodal workings, most of which were running to/from London Gateway,
plus the West Thurrock cement empties in just under 70 minutes.
Well I agree, but whether it ever gets done is another question!
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All 25 of the KEAs that were in South Wales have been moved to Exeter Riverside by 66772 today