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Insight into a Victorian Railway Tender

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Andy873

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I thought that quite a few of you might be interested in how a Victorian railway tender document was presented and filled in.

The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Society has kindly put one on their website which we can read, it was for the Hoddlesden branch line from 1874.

Background:

Hoddlesden near Darwen, Lancashire had several mills, the L&Y decided they would connect the mills to the Hellifield - Blackburn - Bolton line near Darwen station (then called Over Darwen). It was only just over two miles in length, a single line and for goods only, no passenger services.

The document begins with the specification:

Specification - First we have a brief introduction, the name of the line, its starting point, terminating point, the length of it, and finally in this case the fact that it's a single line. There is then a list of contract drawing descriptions such as No. 1 Plan, 2, Section, 3 onwards lists bespoke bridges, another one for an Occupation bridge - here it states Three of this. The final drawings deal with one for culverts of different sizes, one for Permanent way, Occupation level crossings, gates and even fencing for approach roads to stations. All drawings are numbered in consecutively, 1 to N.

Next, it dives into what the company (the L&Y) will provide, the land, the permanent way (track, sleepers etc), plus what you (the contractor) must supply at your own cost, which is everything from workers, wheelbarrows, materials and so on.

Continuing, the text is broken down into groups of paragraphs which are headed at the start either on the left or right of the first paragraph with titles / descriptions. These headings are worded as Excavation, Occupation level crossing, Bridges and so on, in fact the document seems to cover all possible aspects of building any line.

We can clearly see this is a standard document (terms and conditions) which is amended with some specifics to this particular branch. For example, it mentions foundations for viaducts - this line didn't have any viaducts and so on.

There is (as you might expect), several paragraphs concerning how you will get paid:

This is calculated on a monthly basis, which states how much earth you have excavated, moved, tipped, work on bridges, materials etc. This has to be agreed with the resident engineer, who in turn passes it by Mr. Meek (the L&Y Chief Engineer) for final approval, only then will the L&Y pay you for that month's work. Basically the more you do,
the more you got paid!

Permanent way:

The L&Y are very specific about the tracks, sleepers etc. They very clearly state you are not allowed to use them except when you have laid them as per the plan. No rails used for a bit of track here and there - No!

You can only lay them when you have completed at least 500 yards of track bed, and no closer to any excavation or tipping on an embankment than 100 yards in both cases. The resident engineer of the L&Y would inform the company that you are now ready for a delivery of rails, sleepers etc. It doesn't state how much but I'd be surprised if it wasn't something like 20 chains worth at a time.

Once you have laid the rails, you are now allowed to use them for transporting earth say from a cutting to an embankment, but should any of the permanent way be damaged then it's up to you to replace it (at your own cost). You are also responsible for guarding all of the PW, in place or stored.

Padlocks:
I asked on the forum about occupation crossing gates and would they be locked, well the overwhelming response was "Yes, with padlocks", this tender documents does indeed state that no only must you supply gates but also provide padlocks for them, so it confirms that.

And so on...

Finally in this section, you are invited to fill in your total price, together with individual prices to the main office Hunt's Bank, Manchester by...... 1874.

The Tender part:

This begins with words you have to fill in (by hand) such as your name, total price in words and numbers. two names as sureties, witness name & signature along with the date.

Finally, there is a list of no less than 74 individual costs for this and for that, for reach you have to enter the price as Pounds, Shillings, and Pence.

Lastly, there is a list of 12 tradesman prices (per man, per day), Stone masons, carpenters are at 8 shillings per day, per man, down to labourers at 4 and 6. The very final price to confirm is the price of a horse and cart - here the contractor states 12 shillings per day - a great insight to who earned what in 1874! Mind you, that's only what the contractor is charging the railway company, if you could pay the workmen less then that's going to go in your pocket.

A note on contract drawings:

This document doesn't show the drawings for the Hoddlesden branch, however, as said it lists them, and describes occupation bridge (Three of these), a drawing dedicated to culverts, one for Permanent way, crossings and even fencing. Well I see the same format with the drawings I have (same railway company, from just four years before), looking back at these specific drawings it's clear that these are template drawings, all the draughtsman has to do is insert the corresponding branch name and drawing number.

Standardisation:

Another one of my questions asked on the forum, agreed by all and we can see now that the L&Y had several standard documents, drawings included, that we can say not only was there standardisation across one line, but indeed most, if not all of them. The only thing that changes are a line's specifics, bespoke bridges etc, right down to the standard tender contract.

I hope you find this of interest, and if you would like to read it yourself it's available to view on the L&Y Society website, Virtual Museum section, sub section "Infrastructure".

Question - In the list of 74 specific costings, Iron work for the bridges is included - Would you as a contractor sub contract that out?

Sorry this was a long read!
 
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Thank you for this interesting summary. I'd guess that the contracts issued by other companies would have been broadly similar in scope and structure. Standard documents clearly pre--date the computer era!

It's interesting to see how the supply of some elements (e.g. gates and fencing) were contracted out. As the larger companies grew in size, so they developed their own internal arrangements for supply of some of these items. As an example, the LSWR set up a concrete works, others will know when this started to manufacture fence posts.
 

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@Rescars, thanks for the kind words! Glad you found it interesting.

Thank you for this interesting summary. I'd guess that the contracts issued by other companies would have been broadly similar in scope and structure. Standard documents clearly pre--date the computer era!
Yes, I think that most if not all established railway companies would follow broadly this same approach. You can imagine how over the years these tender contracts would have been refined so that hopefully they cover all eventualities.

You as a potential contractor have to be sure you can deliver, these railway documents are water tight, and you also need to get those sums right. I would have thought over the years, a railway company would have built up quite a collection of contract drawings which when you simply add to a copy of one the name of the line etc, then that will save time and work. After all, occupation over bridges, crossings, gates etc will be common to all lines, and you don't want to keep drawing them from scratch.

It's interesting to see how the supply of some elements (e.g. gates and fencing) were contracted out. As the larger companies grew in size, so they developed their own internal arrangements for supply of some of these items.
Again yes, even a brief glance through some of the L&Y's minutes you can clearly see they are constantly advertising for tenders for this and that.

Going back to the tender document:

You, a potential contractor really do need to study all the drawings, for example one drawing states about occupation over bridges "3 OF THESE" but for occupation level crossings no number is stated. In this situation you'd need to look at the plan or section drawings to count them up.

Cutting slips:

A tough clause I think is if you dig out a cutting and the side slope slip back down into the cutting then you have to dig it all out again at your own expense.

Watchmen:

You are required to employ watchmen to stop trespass along the intended line and to guard the permanent way track and sleepers etc, so that's 24/7. It doesn't list watchmen in the list of day work trades / workers, probably they were paid at the same level as a general labourer?

Overall cost:

This branch was costed by the contractor as 7,569 pounds, 1 shilling and 7 pence, that's around 0.75 million as of 2025. By the way, I love how they actually state the shillings and pence.

If anyone has any questions about the tender then please ask away.
 

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Thank you for this interesting summary. I'd guess that the contracts issued by other companies would have been broadly similar in scope and structure. Standard documents clearly pre--date the computer era!

It's interesting to see how the supply of some elements (e.g. gates and fencing) were contracted out. As the larger companies grew in size, so they developed their own internal arrangements for supply of some of these items. As an example, the LSWR set up a concrete works, others will know when this started to manufacture fence posts.
This just looks like standard building and civil engineering works tendering of the time, and really is not a million miles from what takes place nowadays, both in the UK and worldwide, which a number of members here are doubtless familiar with.

Items supplied by the client (the fence posts) are also commonplace, and often referred to as "free issue". Contractors to the gas and water industry, etc, are nowadays supplied with the specific technical pipeline components required for a job. One of the joys for a contractor is when you come to request these items from the client they are out of stock, as you can then charge additional waiting time for the site staff until it is delivered.
 

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This just looks like standard building and civil engineering works tendering of the time,
It certainly looks that way.

Fencing:

I asked a good while ago about what would be one of the very first things a contractor would have to do on site, the answer was fence the railway land off. This contract does indeed state that the contractor has to fence off the entire length of the new line on both sides. In reality, there would have to be breaks in it to allow a farmer and livestock to go from one side of the line to the other, probably where the occupation bridges are to be built.

The fence posts are to be 6 feet apart, and have 7 wires across each pair of posts.

When I apply this to the line I'm researching it means for the 6.75 mile portion something like 12,000 posts and nearly 100 miles of wire!

Standard suppliers:

This contract states that at least in the case of the Asphalte, it will be provided by a specific company in Liverpool. All other materials the contractor must source themselves.

What the company will provide:

As well as the permanent way, before you begin working, the L&Y will clear the route of timber, anything else you have to shift yourself.

Typesetting:

The document is typeset with the left and right margins all justified and printed on grey paper.

Overall - The tender contract with it's wording, what to do, what not to do, together with contract drawings is essentially a manual of how to build a railway line in the 1870's, a very fascinating read!
 

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I thought that quite a few of you might be interested in how a Victorian railway tender document was presented and filled in.

The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Society has kindly put one on their website which we can read, it was for the Hoddlesden branch line from 1874.

Background:

Hoddlesden near Darwen, Lancashire had several mills, the L&Y decided they would connect the mills to the Hellifield - Blackburn - Bolton line near Darwen station (then called Over Darwen). It was only just over two miles in length, a single line and for goods only, no passenger services.

The document begins with the specification:

Specification - First we have a brief introduction, the name of the line, its starting point, terminating point, the length of it, and finally in this case the fact that it's a single line. There is then a list of contract drawing descriptions such as No. 1 Plan, 2, Section, 3 onwards lists bespoke bridges, another one for an Occupation bridge - here it states Three of this. The final drawings deal with one for culverts of different sizes, one for Permanent way, Occupation level crossings, gates and even fencing for approach roads to stations. All drawings are numbered in consecutively, 1 to N.

Next, it dives into what the company (the L&Y) will provide, the land, the permanent way (track, sleepers etc), plus what you (the contractor) must supply at your own cost, which is everything from workers, wheelbarrows, materials and so on.

Continuing, the text is broken down into groups of paragraphs which are headed at the start either on the left or right of the first paragraph with titles / descriptions. These headings are worded as Excavation, Occupation level crossing, Bridges and so on, in fact the document seems to cover all possible aspects of building any line.

We can clearly see this is a standard document (terms and conditions) which is amended with some specifics to this particular branch. For example, it mentions foundations for viaducts - this line didn't have any viaducts and so on.

There is (as you might expect), several paragraphs concerning how you will get paid:

This is calculated on a monthly basis, which states how much earth you have excavated, moved, tipped, work on bridges, materials etc. This has to be agreed with the resident engineer, who in turn passes it by Mr. Meek (the L&Y Chief Engineer) for final approval, only then will the L&Y pay you for that month's work. Basically the more you do,
the more you got paid!

Permanent way:

The L&Y are very specific about the tracks, sleepers etc. They very clearly state you are not allowed to use them except when you have laid them as per the plan. No rails used for a bit of track here and there - No!

You can only lay them when you have completed at least 500 yards of track bed, and no closer to any excavation or tipping on an embankment than 100 yards in both cases. The resident engineer of the L&Y would inform the company that you are now ready for a delivery of rails, sleepers etc. It doesn't state how much but I'd be surprised if it wasn't something like 20 chains worth at a time.

Once you have laid the rails, you are now allowed to use them for transporting earth say from a cutting to an embankment, but should any of the permanent way be damaged then it's up to you to replace it (at your own cost). You are also responsible for guarding all of the PW, in place or stored.

Padlocks:
I asked on the forum about occupation crossing gates and would they be locked, well the overwhelming response was "Yes, with padlocks", this tender documents does indeed state that no only must you supply gates but also provide padlocks for them, so it confirms that.

And so on...

Finally in this section, you are invited to fill in your total price, together with individual prices to the main office Hunt's Bank, Manchester by...... 1874.

The Tender part:

This begins with words you have to fill in (by hand) such as your name, total price in words and numbers. two names as sureties, witness name & signature along with the date.

Finally, there is a list of no less than 74 individual costs for this and for that, for reach you have to enter the price as Pounds, Shillings, and Pence.

Lastly, there is a list of 12 tradesman prices (per man, per day), Stone masons, carpenters are at 8 shillings per day, per man, down to labourers at 4 and 6. The very final price to confirm is the price of a horse and cart - here the contractor states 12 shillings per day - a great insight to who earned what in 1874! Mind you, that's only what the contractor is charging the railway company, if you could pay the workmen less then that's going to go in your pocket.

A note on contract drawings:

This document doesn't show the drawings for the Hoddlesden branch, however, as said it lists them, and describes occupation bridge (Three of these), a drawing dedicated to culverts, one for Permanent way, crossings and even fencing. Well I see the same format with the drawings I have (same railway company, from just four years before), looking back at these specific drawings it's clear that these are template drawings, all the draughtsman has to do is insert the corresponding branch name and drawing number.

Standardisation:

Another one of my questions asked on the forum, agreed by all and we can see now that the L&Y had several standard documents, drawings included, that we can say not only was there standardisation across one line, but indeed most, if not all of them. The only thing that changes are a line's specifics, bespoke bridges etc, right down to the standard tender contract.

I hope you find this of interest, and if you would like to read it yourself it's available to view on the L&Y Society website, Virtual Museum section, sub section "Infrastructure".

Question - In the list of 74 specific costings, Iron work for the bridges is included - Would you as a contractor sub contract that out?

Sorry this was a long read!
Some top quality research here!
 

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Some top quality research here!
Thanks for the great compliment!

I was sure quite a lot of people on the forum will be researching a particular line or railway company, most of which were built in Victorian times, and I hope it helps anyone doing railway research.

One real big emphasis by the L&Y states the railway land for this new line must be guarded using watchmen. This must surely mean 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This implies several temporary wooden huts along the route similar to a platelayer's hut, maybe the L&Y took them over for a while after the work was complete?

It also states lights and fires maybe used as required by the works, so we can take from that that works such as digging cuttings and tipping for embankments could to some degree continue into the night.

Drainage:

On the contract drawings, and in this document it shoes and states respectively the two drains must be installed on both sides of the line. Drains for the cuttings are below the level of the ballast, and for the embankments they are placed at the bottom of the side slopes.

Side slopes:

All slopes for the cuttings and embankments are to be at a ration on 1.5 to 1, which I think is an angle of 56.3 degrees.

Grassing over:

The L&Y want all slopes and approach roads to be grassed over with Rye grass and White clover grass seeds. Not only did the L&Y want them grassed to preserve the slopes, but also to look nice.
 
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