syorksdeano
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Didn't they have some strange plan to close the bus station and make it into some sort of arena?
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There were all kinds of delusion involved in that plan, from it being easily built in 6 months to claiming touring bands would be happy to play 2 nights there inside of 1 at the current Sheffield arena (due to the smaller capacity). But then "strange" is the standard MO of Sheffield council.
TheGuy77
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Consultation: Should dogs be allowed on Supertram?
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Seems like there is a consultation about bringing dogs on board. Personally I don't really care, just as long as they don't bother me
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YorksLad12
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To be clear, it’s about non-assistance dogs (which already are allowed on). Subject to them being well-behaved they’re allowed on buses and trains - trams are the odd mode out.
I’m surprised there has been no mention of the disruption today
Due to a police incident in the city centre which closed the Park Square junction there has been a limited service on the Middlewood and Halfway services. It looks like they only have access to trams that were running at that side of town yesterday evening?
Due to a police incident in the city centre which closed the Park Square junction there has been a limited service on the Middlewood and Halfway services. It looks like they only have access to trams that were running at that side of town yesterday evening?
Looks to have caused chaos all day on bus & Tram services & it does appear that the only trams in these areas are the ones out last night in those areas.
So far it hasn’t affected train services which run close to the area in question
tram21
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It was actually around 5.30, but if it took time to create the cordon then I assume some trams returned?
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What a terrible idea! Not only are dogs dirty and unhygienic but if trains are anything to go by, some dog owners let them sit on seats instead of the floor and conductors rarely intervene. Also some of the areas the Supertram passes through are very rough so you'll inevitably get chavvy owners taking dangerous breeds such as XL bullies and Staffies on the tram, making the journey more unpleasant and less safe for everyone.Consultation: Should dogs be allowed on Supertram?
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Seems like there is a consultation about bringing dogs on board. Personally I don't really care, just as long as they don't bother me
I have completed the survey and made my feelings known!
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YorksLad12
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Bikes not allowed, though there might be a survey coming up on that as well when new trams are specified/old ones are refurbished. It's a safety thing; bikes need to be stored or secured, whereas dogs generally have four contact points with the floor or can be carried.
Discuss223
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The thing is, it won't just be a case of cute labradors or Yorkshire terriers.Consultation: Should dogs be allowed on Supertram?
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Seems like there is a consultation about bringing dogs on board. Personally I don't really care, just as long as they don't bother me
I know Sheffield quite well.
The Supertram network serves some of the roughest areas of the city.
Conductor-less trams are becoming more common as staffing issues persist.
With the estates the Supertram serves, such as Winn Gardens, Arbourthorne, Gleadless, Westfield etc, I can imagine some uncomfortable experiences of bull-dog type dogs running riot on the trams.
It's different to buses, where the driver can keep a close watch.
My opinion is that this is Mr Coppard's way of deflecting from the real issues with the trams, such as un-reliability, poor customer service and eye-watering fares - which the travelling public has been subjected to since SYMCA took over operations from Stagecoach.
generalnerd
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Only allow select breeds/only allow dogs on trams at specific sections of the network.
Hard to police if the tram is conductor-less. XL bully dogs are illegal but I suspect people still walk around with them quite openly.
I personally wouldn't be that confident identifying dog breeds if I was the conductor on the tram, a dog's a dog to me.
I personally wouldn't be that confident identifying dog breeds if I was the conductor on the tram, a dog's a dog to me.
Peter Mugridge
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If I recall correctly, the only banned new ownership - the existing ones could stay if they were registered and muzzled in public. There's also several other breeds which look like them but which aren't them, which just muddies the waters further...
GDKEnts
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Not all XL bullys are the problem... It's the owners. I know a few who I would sleep next to safely!
py_megapixel
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Tram 108 ran along West Street out of service shortly after 19:45 today. Does anyone know what it was doing? Seemed a little out-of-place as it was heading away from the depot.
Probably a test run
I’ve recently spent a few days in Sheffield, sampling the tram, tram-train and bus network.
I’m not sure I recognise some of the complaints of the Supertram. I think frequencies were good, trams seemed to be punctual, trams seemed clean and in great condition for their age - they don’t feel like they are over 30 years old. Ride quality good. Real time displays all working. The conductors all really friendly and chatty. Only two services I was on didn’t have conductors (which for me isn’t unusual, as it’s the only tram system I’ve used that has conductors, apart from Rotterdam). I get that just a few days might not give a reliable picture, but that’s just my observations.
Don’t quite understand the ‘numbering system’ for routes, I prefer numbers rather than names/colours. It means they appear as YELL or PURP on the realtime displays. And one of the lines (the tram-tram) doesn’t even follow that system either, even though realistically it’s not really any different from other tram lines.
I don’t quite understand the purple route - an hourly frequency for an urban tram? I get they have probably used the resources to keep a high frequency on main parts of the network - but it should surely be half-hourly at a minimum, or not at all. People will just use the much more frequent bus instead.
Trams were fairly busy, but quite dead in the evenings - that might just be a British culture thing though, as we don’t tend to like staying out late as much as on the continent perhaps? I’m just comparing to the trams I’ve used abroad. Saying that though, the Charleroi system stops running about 7.30pm (though replaced by buses after that).
A couple of comments on here saying the system should just be closed down and replaced by buses - I’m not sure why that needs to be done? I thought we stopped being short-sighted with closing down tramways?
I’m not sure I recognise some of the complaints of the Supertram. I think frequencies were good, trams seemed to be punctual, trams seemed clean and in great condition for their age - they don’t feel like they are over 30 years old. Ride quality good. Real time displays all working. The conductors all really friendly and chatty. Only two services I was on didn’t have conductors (which for me isn’t unusual, as it’s the only tram system I’ve used that has conductors, apart from Rotterdam). I get that just a few days might not give a reliable picture, but that’s just my observations.
Don’t quite understand the ‘numbering system’ for routes, I prefer numbers rather than names/colours. It means they appear as YELL or PURP on the realtime displays. And one of the lines (the tram-tram) doesn’t even follow that system either, even though realistically it’s not really any different from other tram lines.
I don’t quite understand the purple route - an hourly frequency for an urban tram? I get they have probably used the resources to keep a high frequency on main parts of the network - but it should surely be half-hourly at a minimum, or not at all. People will just use the much more frequent bus instead.
Trams were fairly busy, but quite dead in the evenings - that might just be a British culture thing though, as we don’t tend to like staying out late as much as on the continent perhaps? I’m just comparing to the trams I’ve used abroad. Saying that though, the Charleroi system stops running about 7.30pm (though replaced by buses after that).
A couple of comments on here saying the system should just be closed down and replaced by buses - I’m not sure why that needs to be done? I thought we stopped being short-sighted with closing down tramways?
The purple route isn't really a route of it's own, most other systems would just show it as a dotted blue line service. It's main purpose is to add additional capacity on the city to Gleadless section of the blue line. It only serves one station not served by other routes, and that is mainly there just to provide a terminus location. As such, it doesn't really need a high-frequency service - it should be looked at in the context of the blue route frequency.
SteveyBee131
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Once upon a time it was every 20 minutes, and extended out to Meadowhall, thus providing extra capacity up there too. The Tram-Train service helps with that, but a combination of a certain pandemic reducing patronage, and a need to reduce the peak tram requirement (back then it was something like 23 out of 25 needed at one point), saw the purple line cut in half and gradually reduced to where we are now.
splashoutradio
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Apologies if it has been asked already, but when serching for "tram" in SYPTEs timetables page, a green route is listed, but has no timetables assigned. Is this something new or a result of recent works/disruptions?
YorksLad12
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Green is usually used when bits of the yellow or blue routes are diverted via the blue or yellow routes because of planned engineering work. There will normally be a page on the TSY or Supertram websites.
Probably more of a reflection on Sheffield's night time economy, or lack thereof.
Mass transit is for large numbers of people trying to do broadly the same thing at broadly the same time, whether they be completely sober or off their heads. Anything else, then the capacity of roads/taxis/buses suffice.
The introduction of the Tram Train caused the reduction of the Purple to Cathedral to Herdings Park only & reductions in frequency have continued since.
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Also tends to be applied on the Boxing Day & New Year’s Day service that runs Halfway to Meadowhall via Cathedral.
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If you'd got one of the few trams along West Street on a Friday/Saturday night (blue and yellow drop to 2 per hour in the evenings) there's always a lot of people on a night out - I suspect the infrequency of the service is more a cause of the lack of patronage, never seem to get trams that infrequently on the continent.
py_megapixel
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That and the fact that a lot of the people out on West Street will be students who are likely to already live nearby (the University campus is right next to West Street), and so have no reason to use public transport. That said, West Street is always full of a disappointingly large volume of taxis, which suggests there probably is demand for transport to somewhere.
Sheffield generally seems to have a problem with public transport frequencies. A lot of supposedly high-frequency bus corridors have been allowed to wither away to only a 15 minute service during the day, which while usable as long as it actually runs properly (which is a different discussion!), isn't quite the level of convenience that will make people comfortable giving up their cars. It's a shame for a city that is openly quite proud of its "green-ness".
A 15 minute frequency would be an amazing improvement over the hourly (in)-frequency my bus route has! I always look at the vast number of 52s and 120s and think how amazing it would be if the 57 ran like that!