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Indeed. It sounds to me what might have happened is that that there was a preliminary hearing to deal with the punctuality etc issues (such hearings are not public) and that the issues were resolved there without the need to take forward to a PI. Therefore the pending PI is unrelated.
It certainly divides opinions. I find it too toy-like (for want of a better term), and the logo doesn't look up to modern professional standards. I can see why they might want to move away from the old image, but that had a degree of class that comes from simplicity.
I think my favourite is actually the retro red and white Hulleys livery.
It certainly divides opinions. I find it too toy-like (for want of a better term), and the logo doesn't look up to modern professional standards. I can see why they might want to move away from the old image, but that had a degree of class that comes from simplicity.
I suppose the logo is from the 1980s afterall! In regards to maybe wanting to move away from the old image, they still use the phrasing 'Proudly serving the Peak District since 1921' under the logo on their website and vehicles, so the retention of a traditional livery for a scenic area I think would still fit. The cream/blue skirt was simple and probably plain in some people's eyes, but personally I feel fits the character of a local long standing company proud of its heritage in an attractive part of the country more so than the bolder yellow/blue. Funnily enough, the new livery features least in the number of photos on the front page of their website. It's headed by a large cream/blue Streetlite, followed on the next line by one in the new livery alongside another pic showing cream/blue, then beneath those some plain white vehicles. All that said, I can see why it obviously did happen during the tie in with Go Coach, so the yellow/purple swaps/loans didn't seem quite so totally different while working for Hulleys.
Who knows is the quick answer. There's still a Public Inquiry to be held to see if the company still meets the financial standing required to hold an Operators Licence, and a separate (but on the same day) Public Inquiry as to whether their Traffic Manager is still of good repute.
I've also had a look at the last few years accounts filed with Companies House for Hulley’s and the parent company Modeldart Ltd. I've formed a view of what those accounts since 2019 seem to suggest but I'm by no means a qualified accountant so might have misinterpreted. I'd welcome the views of a suitably qualified/experienced person should one be reading this thread.
Who knows is the quick answer. There's still a Public Inquiry to be held to see if the company still meets the financial standing required to hold an Operators Licence, and a separate (but on the same day) Public Inquiry as to whether their Traffic Manager is still of good repute.
I've also had a look at the last few years accounts filed with Companies House for Hulley’s and the parent company Modeldart Ltd. I've formed a view of what those accounts since 2019 seem to suggest but I'm by no means a qualified accountant so might have misinterpreted. I'd welcome the views of a suitably qualified/experienced person should one be reading this thread.
Indeed. I’m not an accountant either, though I can just about interpret the basics of a set of accounts. So I shall make a very general comments that applies to all businesses……. It is perfectly possible to make a loss for a long period of time. But PI or no PI, when the cash runs out, you’re dead.
The on loan from Connexions Scania L94
(FJ 55 BZT) has temporarily numbered 34.
The red solo (YJ60 PFN) is numbered 18 - again on loan from connexions. Don't believe either are tracking/tracking correctly on bus times, this dies not mean they are not in use.
The on loan from Connexions Scania L94
(FJ 55 BZT) has temporarily numbered 34.
The red solo (YJ60 PFN) is numbered 18 - again on loan from connexions. Don't believe either are tracking/tracking correctly on bus times, this dies not mean they are not in use.
I suspect the Solo may be on the earlier 111, tracking as SPDC. The Scania was certainly on the 63 on Saturday afternoon, but did not track. Had route 63 on a piece of paper in the windscreen
So I shall make a very general comments that applies to all businesses……. It is perfectly possible to make a loss for a long period of time. But PI or no PI, when the cash runs out, you’re dead.
I'm not an accountant either but my day job does involve looking at these sorts of things.
My observation, which applies to all companies, is that financial statements will only ever say what you want them to say. If you want to make a loss you have financial statements which show a loss. If you want to make a profit you have financial statements which show a profit.
Given the way the corporate structure has changed since 2020- not just Modeldart but there were other holding companies in the structure- it is difficult to draw any firm conclusions from the information shown at Companies House.
But yes, if the money runs out then the money runs out and that, usually, is that.
The former Trentbarton and Connexions Wright bodies Scania FJ55 BZT? is working the 63 today between Chesterfield and Matlock. Not tracking. It does seem to be the most likely route to find it on.
The former Trentbarton and Connexions Wright bodies Scania FJ55 BZT? is working the 63 today between Chesterfield and Matlock. Not tracking. It does seem to be the most likely route to find it on.
Only if you have the correct program. There are several such programs, and this is a 20 year old bus ... not so easy if it's old tech. Of course, it could simply be that the screen is broke!!
Only if you have the correct program. There are several such programs, and this is a 20 year old bus ... not so easy if it's old tech. Of course, it could simply be that the screen is broke!!
This bus had roller blinds when new, so the display is probably from the Sixes refurb in 2014, and possibly from its time with connexions, so not that old.
It looks very well maintained. Perhaps it could be preserved one day. I'd love to see a Scania in the 2005 Sixes livery again.
The former Trentbarton and Connexions Wright bodies Scania FJ55 BZT? is working the 63 today between Chesterfield and Matlock. Not tracking. It does seem to be the most likely route to find it on.
Only if you have the correct program. There are several such programs, and this is a 20 year old bus ... not so easy if it's old tech. Of course, it could simply be that the screen is broke!!
Not just that, you need someone with the knowledge of how to do it. Hulleys used to rely on one of the drivers who learned, but I believe he moved on. Not sure who does it now. Could even just be they aren't around at a time when it's not out in service.
That said, buses without working displays are so common in Hulleys they really should have some properly printed cards, like DCT had.
The capacity is needed for the school runs, and frees up an Evora for the Sheffield services, so makes sense.
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Not just that, you need someone with the knowledge of how to do it. Hulleys used to rely on one of the drivers who learned, but I believe he moved on. Not sure who does it now. Could even just be they aren't around at a time when it's not out in service.
That said, buses without working displays are so common in Hulleys they really should have some properly printed cards, like DCT had.
And I’m afraid to say, whilst a broken display every now and again can happen, continual use is a clear breach of PSVAR regs and if observed by DVSA, wouldn’t help their upcoming PI.
And I’m afraid to say, whilst a broken display every now and again can happen, continual use is a clear breach of PSVAR regs and if observed by DVSA, wouldn’t help their upcoming PI.
A person I spoke to at a bus stop just referred to it as "The Harrogate bus". Interesting to see Enviro 200, number 19 is reported withdrawn with electrical issues....Being used for parts.
And I’m afraid to say, whilst a broken display every now and again can happen, continual use is a clear breach of PSVAR regs and if observed by DVSA, wouldn’t help their upcoming PI.
I wonder how much leeway DVSA give? They do get programmed, but it sometimes takes several days. They aren't like a big operator who has someone dedicated to this sort of thing, so it's a balance between what is reasonable I guess.
I wonder how much leeway DVSA give? They do get programmed, but it sometimes takes several days. They aren't like a big operator who has someone dedicated to this sort of thing, so it's a balance between what is reasonable I guess.
If Hulley's are guilty so are TM Travel, another user of cast off vehicles from fleets around the country. And probably a lot of other operators working on shoe string budgets.
I wonder how much leeway DVSA give? They do get programmed, but it sometimes takes several days. They aren't like a big operator who has someone dedicated to this sort of thing, so it's a balance between what is reasonable I guess.
No excuse. Even a couple of pieces of paper done on the office printer one showing the route number and one showing the destination would suffice until a more permanent fix could be undertaken
I did wonder why that had disappeared from bustimes. Not been with the fleet that long and looks like it only lasted just over 2 months after being repainted.
With 16 also gone that leaves 20 vehicles in the fleet, but three of those haven't tracked recently, 3, 8 and 22, and another 3 didn't track today. I hope it's just tracking gremlins, otherwise that's just 14 buses plus the two loaners out which doesn't seem enough to cover all the services.
A person I spoke to at a bus stop just referred to it as "The Harrogate bus". Interesting to see Enviro 200, number 19 is reported withdrawn with electrical issues....Being used for parts.
If Hulley's are guilty so are TM Travel, another user of cast off vehicles from fleets around the country. And probably a lot of other operators working on shoe string budgets.
Schedule 2 of the Public Service Vehicles Accessibility Requirements (PSVAR) 2000 is your friend here:
Route and destination displays
8.—(1) A regulated public service vehicle shall be fitted with a route number display and a destination display in the following positions—
(a)on the front of the vehicle, as close as practicable to that part of the windscreen which is within the driver’s field of vision; and
(b)on the nearside of the vehicle adjacent to the entrance which is closest to the front of the vehicle at a height of not less than 1.2m to the lower edge of the display characters and not more than 2.5m to the upper edge of the display characters measured from the ground and, if fitted with a kneeling system, with the vehicle in the normal condition for vehicle travel.
(2) A regulated public service vehicle shall be fitted with a route number display on the rear of the vehicle.
(3) Any route number display shall be capable of displaying—
(a)characters of not less than 200mm in height on the front and rear of the vehicle and not less than 70mm in height on the side of the vehicle;
(b)characters that contrast with the display background;
(c)characters that are provided with a means of illumination; and
(d)not less than three characters.
(4) Any destination display shall be capable of displaying—
(a)characters of not less than 125mm in height when fitted to the front of a vehicle and not less than 70mm in height when fitted to the side of a vehicle;
(b)characters that contrast with the display background;
(c)characters that are provided with a means of illumination; and
(d)not less than fifteen characters.
(5) Destination information shall not be written in capital letters only.
(6) In this paragraph—
“character” means capital letters or numbers of a specified height and lower case letters of a size relative to the text of a capital letter for a given typeface;
“destination” means a word or words to describe the route or final destination; and
“route number” means any combination of numbers or letters which designate a bus route.
The picture in post 1394 shows a route number 63 - behind the windscreen wiper arm! It's unclear what the notice to the right of the entrance door may say.
The picture in post 1394 shows a route number 63 - behind the windscreen wiper arm! It's unclear what the notice to the right of the entrance door may say.
I suspect the piece of paper stuck in the 1st nearside window will be the legal lettering. I suppose that route number suffices, but still no destination shown!
I guess that's the biggest issue with paper destinations! No easy answer either - there are bound to be regulations on how bright, controlling light spill etc.
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