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Hello! I'm planning a journey to Paris in July, as it's been usual post-CoViD.

Does anyone here know how early in advance can FIP reservations be made?


I booked a flight from Barcelona to Lisbon on a Monday afternoon and I want to make sure I can reserve a spot on the Paris to Barcelona TGV, or one of the Intercité de Nuit to Cerbére or Latour-de-Carol - Enveitg.
I want to avoid having to be overcharged to ride on 1st Class, or (worse) finding out the train is already fully booked, like last year on my way to and from Berlin.
 
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So as long as the tickets are made available for reservation, an FIP holder can make a reservation? Is it not limited to a 24-hour/on-the-day reservation limit?
 

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So as long as the tickets are made available for reservation, an FIP holder can make a reservation? Is it not limited to a 24-hour/on-the-day reservation limit?
This again depends/varies with ´company´ or even specific route/train. Though I am aware that you Brits all seem to think they are like your private companies, these are not and best compared-as in fact most EUR national systems, with your old BR: a burocratic, state owned/run institution often inventing all kind of rules for this&that-often after some mishap with the hope to prevent that to happen again.
There also MAY be restrictions for FIP-black out days, a limited nr of seats/space, surcharges for specific accomodation or the like, again varies with when/what/where. This may in fact explain your previous experience. In the old-style collegial idea of ´we all work together in the same branch of transport´ they thus also assume that YOUR employer knows it all, is there to inform you etc. It looks to me that this forum has taken over that job in many respects.
I assume your FIP also cost you- I dk how much-little or more, and it may very well be that a cheap advacne booked ticket works out cheaper or same-same as FIP+surcharge for REServ etc. in HSpeed trains. But in general FIP tends to be much more flexible if that is needed as fixed advance.
BTW-indeed you seem to have rightly discovered that doing Bcn-Mad-Lis by rail is for the latter part a real PITA for now-as is in general anything doing with SPanish RENFE in these matters.
 

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So as long as the tickets are made available for reservation, an FIP holder can make a reservation?
Normally yes. Some trains, like Eurostar, have a limited quota in addition.
Is it not limited to a 24-hour/on-the-day reservation limit?
That's something I've only seen for Portugal (and which is not strictly enforced). Please see the RDG document for more information.
 

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This may in fact explain your previous experience. In the old-style collegial idea of ´we all work together in the same branch of transport´ they thus also assume that YOUR employer knows it all, is there to inform you etc.
It looks to me that this forum has taken over that job in many respects.
Unfortunately, it's sort of the opposite. The railway company issues FIP cards and vouchers for its workers but does not provide documentation on how to use them, compared to RDG.
Most know-how about FIP comes from word-of-mouth from worker to worker, and some come with experiences from 10/20 years ago that may or flat-out will not hold up ground today.

On my way to and from Berlin, no one gave a flying flamingo about my company card, I never used my FIP card, the German coupon was only punched once, and the Spanish coupon had to be marked with a date only once.
I finished the journey with almost all 8 days of free travel in every country available for use up until the end of December, which I still find to be odd. But I can't complain.

I assume your FIP also cost you- I dk how much-little or more, and it may very well be that a cheap advacne booked ticket works out cheaper or same-same as FIP+surcharge for REServ etc. in HSpeed trains.
I was given coupons for the days and countries I was traveling, free of charge.
The only catch is that an employee needs to work for CP - Comboios de Portugal for more than 12 months under an open-ended contract (I worked for three years because my first two years were under a fixed-term contract).

Not counting the 1st class reservation on the TGV from Paris to Barcelona, and having to cancel my non-refundable European Sleeper reservation, the journey was incredibly affordable.
The only thing that I learned is that FIPs are better used with an as-you-go approach over a planned approach, unless you're using it for short, single trips, like in my case this year.

BTW-indeed you seem to have rightly discovered that doing Bcn-Mad-Lis by rail is for the latter part a real PITA for now-as is in general anything doing with SPanish RENFE in these matters.

The main issue with Spain is just how little capacity there is. It's so bad even Regional trains have mandatory seat reservations and the most demanded routes are fully booked months in advance.
FIP reservations with Renfe can be issued in advance, but you need to physically be in Spain to make them.

The easiest and cheapest way for someone from CP - Comboios de Portugal to book FIP reservations for Renfe is to go on a Saturday to Badajoz for a meal and take the time between the arrival and departure of the Portuguese Regional to book the reservations you need for a later date (in my case, from and to Vigo-Urzaíz). The only reservation that can be issued in advance in Portugal is for the Celta Porto-Vigo.

Back in the good old days, you could book tickets for any UIC member from Porto-Campanhã, but that was before the EU decided railways were better if they worked under competition rather than under cooperation.
 

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The main issue with Spain is just how little capacity there is. It's so bad even Regional trains have mandatory seat reservations and the most demanded routes are fully booked months in advance.
I'd be curious to see examples of Renfe trains fully booked months in advance. In my experience, a few weeks at busy times can happen, but Renfe can't often be bothered to open reservations more than a few weeks in advance for anything non highspeed, especially MD or regional. I agree that train capacity is an issue (also frequency) but Renfe decide what customers want.
FIP reservations with Renfe can be issued in advance, but you need to physically be in Spain to make them.
Or in Germany. Or you can call DB and have them posted to you.
International Rail couldn't do FIP yet in October but they said they might be able to sell them from this year. They send PDFs by e-mail.
 

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Or in Germany. Or you can call DB and have them posted to you.

The telephone seems to have been discontinued in favor of a specific link for FIP Card reservations.
FIP Coupons don't need reservations, but if you want to guarantee a seat you just need to book the seat ("Book seat only") on the DB website or DB Navigator app.
So my journey between Zürich and Stuttgart later this year is figured out.

I found out today that there's now an FIP website that I wasn't able to find before Innotrans 2024: https://fipcard.eu/
 

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The telephone seems to have been discontinued in favor of a specific link for FIP Card reservations.
FIP Coupons don't need reservations, but if you want to guarantee a seat you just need to book the seat ("Book seat only") on the DB website or DB Navigator app.
So my journey between Zürich and Stuttgart later this year is figured out.
I meant FIP reservations for Renfe, which DB can also make, but only on paper.
I found out today that there's now an FIP website that I wasn't able to find before Innotrans 2024: https://fipcard.eu/
Interesting. Any idea who created this website? They say:
This site is for information purposes only and is not affiliated to the rail or maritime companies belonging to the FIP group.
Still many 404 messages, giving the impression it's not complete yet.
 

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SNCF English helpline is usually quite helpful with that kind of request

There is a anectodal success in booking through SNCF phone line on a thread on this forum from back in 2020
 

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SNCF English helpline is usually quite helpful with that kind of request

There is a anectodal success in booking through SNCF phone line on a thread on this forum from back in 2020
Except that SNCF stopped selling a lot of international trains sometime last year, except the ones that they're involved in themselves:
AFAIK they also stopped selling Renfe tickets and reservations.
 

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Except that SNCF stopped selling a lot of international trains sometime last year, except the ones that they're involved in themselves:
OP's request is about Paris Barcelona TGV and ICN Paris Latour de carol
 

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Yeah. I'm well aware. On my journey to Innotrans, I was able to learn how the Occitania-Catalonia connection currently works.

SNCF doesn't have a ticket office open in Spain, nor does Renfe currently have one open in France (Renfe Lyon Part-Dieu supposedly opens to the public this year).
SNCF reservations to Paris need to be booked over the phone, while Renfe reservations to Barcelona/Madrid need to be done onboard upon arrival of the train at a French station.
Otherwise, you're stuck riding Renfe to France, and SNCF to Spain.

All I know is that going to and from Portugal/France would be massively easier and faster if the Sud Express was still running! <(

EDIT: Also, Trenitalia does not accept FIP reservations within France, something that is stated correctly on the aforementioned FIP website.
 
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Porto-Campanhã ticket office still has an 'international' counter - or it did when I was there in October. Admittedly I was only going to Vigo, but I had to wait ages for the guy in front of me to have arranged and booked some long complicated journey. Or can it only do journeys originating in Portugal and / or non-FIP tickets?
 

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Keep in mind if you already know which TGV you're going to be travelling on from Paris to Barcelona (which you probably do as you've already booked the flight), then it's almost definitely going to be cheaper to buy a regular ticket for that train as soon as tickets become available, as the FIP reservation fee SNCF charges is ridiculously high. The last known price for a reservation in 2nd class is €115 and €135 in 1st. The sleeper train reservations are relatively cheap but couchettes only, even 1st class is couchettes, no sleeper car.
 

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Porto-Campanhã ticket office still has an 'international' counter - or it did when I was there in October. (...) Or can it only do journeys originating in Portugal and / or non-FIP tickets?

That counter can only sell tickets for the "Celta" Porto-Vigo and, formerly, for the Sud Express and Lusitania.
They use a Renfe computer with a VPN to access that company's reservation back office because... *sigh*... CP willingly gave away the rights to sell tickets for its international trains to Renfe.
And yes, that computer is as slow as molasses.


The last known price for a reservation in 2nd class is €115 and €135 in 1st.

That's weird. Unless it's for international TGVs, the reservation fee I had to pay for the TGV from Lyon to Mulhouse was just 10,00€.
The Lyria was for free (because SBB offered the journey as compensation for DB cancelling a NightJet).
The TGV from Paris to Barcelona cost 109,00€ because the 2nd Class was fully booked and I had to pay the difference in price between the 2nd class and 1st class fare. But it wasn't 135,00€, and I have the ticket as proof.
 

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That counter can only sell tickets for the "Celta" Porto-Vigo and, formerly, for the Sud Express and Lusitania.
They use a Renfe computer with a VPN to access that company's reservation back office because... *sigh*... CP willingly gave away the rights to sell tickets for its international trains to Renfe.
And yes, that computer is as slow as molasses.
That must be new then. Last year, they were able to sell Renfe tickets from Vigo. Not Interrail reservations unfortunately.
That's weird. Unless it's for international TGVs, the reservation fee I had to pay for the TGV from Lyon to Mulhouse was just 10,00€.
That's just SNCF being SNCF using international passengers and pass holders of any kind as a milch cow. TGV Barcelona to Narbonne with FIP was already €50 when a friend of mine needed that 2 years ago.
 

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That's weird. Unless it's for international TGVs, the reservation fee I had to pay for the TGV from Lyon to Mulhouse was just 10,00€.
The Lyria was for free (because SBB offered the journey as compensation for DB cancelling a NightJet).
The TGV from Paris to Barcelona cost 109,00€ because the 2nd Class was fully booked and I had to pay the difference in price between the 2nd class and 1st class fare. But it wasn't 135,00€, and I have the ticket as proof.
SNCF charges much more for international TGV journeys than it does for domestic ones. Domestic journeys are like 2 euros or 10 euros depending on whether the train is classified as a peak or off-peak train (but it seemed to correlate with the Interrail reservation fees which is 10 euros or 20 euros). These prices are also for domestic journeys on international TGVs (such as Paris to Perpignan on a TGV to Barcelona). When you want to book to an international destination the prices rise significantly with the Barcelona TGV being the worst.

How long ago did you take that TGV from Paris to Barcelona? The prices have increased over the years but they especially got a quite a bit more expensive even SNCF stopped the cooperation with Renfe and started operating the TGV on their own.
 

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Again, 2nd Class was fully booked. My FIP coupons are not for 1st Class.
Maybe thats the difference between full fare 2nd class and full fare 1st class?

Anyway, you can always phone SNCF for a quote on how much it would cost.

The telephone number is +33 1 84 94 36 35
• At the end of the menu options presented in French, there is the
option to connect to an English-speaking operator – press #85.
• On the next voice menu. Select “Voyages/Journey” by pressing 1.
• On the next voice menu. Select “Voyages on TGV” by pressing 1.
You will then be in the queue to speak to an operator.

If it's a much different price then feel free to share it here as I'm definitely interested in it too.
 

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In the old-style collegial idea of ´we all work together in the same branch of transport´ they thus also assume that YOUR employer knows it all, is there to inform you etc.

I had a call today with human resources regarding some questions I had with FIP.
When it came to how a FIP coupon or card is supposed to be used in each "FIP network", they clearly stated that the worker should contact each railway operator they wish to travel with.
The employer has no business informing what the terms and conditions of other operators are for the use of FIP cards or coupons.

So, like you said:
It looks to me that this forum has taken over that job in many respects.

Along with the recent coming of FIPCard.eu

About that website, human resources were also unable to confirm the authenticity of that website, as they haven't got any formal communication addressing it.
 

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I'd say that Fipcard.eu looks more like a private initiative from a French railway employee.
A colleague of mine has done the same thing for many years now for The Netherlands, and is now the unofficial official source of FIP travel at NS/ProRail. He published it on his personal (password protected) website at first, but now it's publicly available, but only in Dutch of course, as it is aimed specifically at NS/ProRail.
 

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Why its not beyond the wit of man to get some form of FIP on line booking facility up and running is beyond me. I just get the impression that most operators see FIP as an inconvenience that they'd rather not have to deal with.
 

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Why its not beyond the wit of man to get some form of FIP on line booking facility up and running is beyond me.
Belgian railways have that (for the trains they can sell). Only accessible to their own staff of course.
I just get the impression that most operators see FIP as an inconvenience that they'd rather not have to deal with.
I also have that impression. Like Italian FIP reservations can only be booked via Trenitalia ticket offices (maybe also travel agents).
 

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I'd say that Fipcard.eu looks more like a private initiative from a French railway employee.
A colleague of mine has done the same thing for many years now for The Netherlands, and is now the unofficial official source of FIP travel at NS/ProRail. He published it on his personal (password protected) website at first, but now it's publicly available, but only in Dutch of course, as it is aimed specifically at NS/ProRail.
The best resource I know is the Travel Tips for Europe document by RDG which is still being updated quite regularly.
It can be found on this page: https://www.raildeliverygroup.com/rst/where-can-i-go.html

There's even a quite extensive Guide for visitors to Britain using FIP facilities as well for foreign railway employees coming to Britain.
 
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