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South Elmsall-South Yorkshire Peak oddity

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Iskra

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South Elmsall is in West Yorkshire, but I’ve just been advised at a ticket office that an off-peak day return from a station in South Yorkshire to South Elmsall has off-peak evening restrictions still, despite such a journey crossing the boundary between South and West Yorkshire.

Is this correct, and can anyone explain the reason?
 
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It doesn't actually cross the boundary. Darton, Moorthorpe, and South Elmsall are in both West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire for ticketing purposes.
 

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Similarly to Moorthorpe (and Darton on the Penistone line), South Elmsall is considered to be within both South and West Yorkshire for ticketing purposes, even though it's physically located in West Yorkshire as you say. So journeys between South Elmsall and stations in either county are priced in accordance with the South and West Yorkshire PTEs' pricing policies, and zonal tickets from both PTEs are valid there.

This is generally a good thing as it means that people travelling from there aren't charged substantially more to travel to Sheffield than they are to travel to Leeds/Bradford (as is the case from Fitzwilliam one station down the line, and as happens with the WY & GM boundaries, where there's no "joint" station). But it does have the disadvantage that you state, namely that the evening peak restrictions apply to local journeys in both directions.

One way around it is to buy an "overdistance" ticket, although this doesn't always necessarily save you money.
 

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It is correct, I think South Elmsall is classed as both West and South Yorkshire as far as fares go. West Yorkshire concessionary passes are valid as far as there.
 

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It doesn't actually cross the boundary. Darton, Moorthorpe, and South Elmsall are in both West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire for ticketing purposes.
Ah that’s interesting, but also slightly irritating fkr my purposes.
Similarly to Moorthorpe (and Darton on the Penistone line), South Elmsall is considered to be within both South and West Yorkshire for ticketing purposes, even though it's physically located in West Yorkshire as you say. So journeys between South Elmsall and stations in either county are priced in accordance with the South and West Yorkshire PTEs' pricing policies, and zonal tickets from both PTEs are valid there.

This is generally a good thing as it means that people travelling from there aren't charged substantially more to travel to Sheffield than they are to travel to Leeds/Bradford (as is the case from Fitzwilliam one station down the line, and as happens with the WY & GM boundaries, where there's no "joint" station). But it does have the disadvantage that you state, namely that the evening peak restrictions apply to local journeys in both directions.

One way around it is to buy an "overdistance" ticket, although this doesn't always necessarily save you money.
Yeah, I can see the upside for many passengers. I can see that Fitzwilliam is more expensive. I was basically looking for a station just beyond Doncaster that isn’t in South Yorkshire to help me get around the evening peak restrictions on an off-peak ticket. I went for the anytime to Doncaster in the end- I’m sure I’ll get my money back through delay repay anyway with the state of the service on the line recently!

It’s a niche bit of knowledge though!

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Thanks all for the responses
 
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