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Not sure if this fits the OP's description, but it is a "manually-operated" crossing; there is a user-worked pump crossing, but with lifting barriers down south near Canterbury West. The user has to push and pull a lever to "pump" up (raise) the barriers and then on the other side, a small crank that lowers the barriers. It does have R/G lights to advise the user when it's safe to cross.

I can't remember if there was another one near Deal unless I'm imagining it....
 
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Not sure if this fits the OP's description, but it is a "manually-operated" crossing; there is a user-worked pump crossing, but with lifting barriers down south near Canterbury West. The user has to push and pull a lever to "pump" up (raise) the barriers and then on the other side, a small crank that lowers the barriers. It does have R/G lights to advise the user when it's safe to cross.

I can't remember if there was another one near Deal unless I'm imagining it....
There's also Forge Farm near Eridge. It is of the type mentioned above. Interestingly it has both National Rail (Uckfield) and Heritage Rail (Spa Valley) trains pass it.
Screenshot_20241114_143043_Maps.jpg image shows a screenshot, from Google maps of Forge Farm crossing.

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Not sure if this fits the OP's description, but it is a "manually-operated" crossing; there is a user-worked pump crossing, but with lifting barriers down south near Canterbury West. The user has to push and pull a lever to "pump" up (raise) the barriers and then on the other side, a small crank that lowers the barriers. It does have R/G lights to advise the user when it's safe to cross.

I can't remember if there was another one near Deal unless I'm imagining it....
What used to be called a “Rural Barrier” - very subject to misuse. Still a couple in Scotland: Hospital Mill near Springfield in Fife, and I think Bodsbury still exists on the WCML. There was one put in relatively recently north of Perth which was done electrically as an elderly couple who were regular users couldn’t operate a hydraulic one.
 

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Does anyone know how often the old gates are replaced by newer ones? surely there isn't a place where manual crossing gates are manufactured! But then again the ones on the network cannot be the same as those 100 years ago?
 

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Does anyone know how often the old gates are replaced by newer ones? surely there isn't a place where manual crossing gates are manufactured! But then again the ones on the network cannot be the same as those 100 years ago?
Given that the timbers are most likely to rot/break, I would have thought a competent local joiner might be asked to quote :)
Can't remember how it was done at Oakworth a year or two back...
 

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In days gone by when there were plenty of wooden gates and other woodwork each district S&T department would have a carpenter or two at their main depot. As the number of gates and other items that might require their attentions declined the number fell, but they were still around in my days in the early 1980s, although often acting as lookouts or as an extra couple of hands to carry stuff from the van to the worksite. I suspect that nowadays, with the possible exception of places where there are a lot of jobs that might require the attentions of a carpenter, the work is sent out either to some central Network Rail/GBR depot or to an approved external contractor.

There are disadvantages to just getting any old local in to do the work and it’s not just union rules. You need to be sure that they are going to do a good enough job and mere local repute doesn’t mean that that Old Joe can do a satisfactory job, but checking him out would take up everybody’s time and money. Possibly even more importantly, at least as far as the Operating Department is concerned, is that you don’t want someone wandering around the track who has not been taught how to look after themself and how not to damage equipment. Local labour has done work, but often under supervision.

They are changed when necessary, but wear and tear varies and this could be quite a few years at some places and only a couple in others. How good the original workmanship was and how good maintenance is, including painting, will also affect things. They also have to be replaced if seriously damaged: I have heard of one that lasted less than twelve hours after replacement before a lorry hit it.

Note: I only operated them (and only barriers) and I moved about a lot (to prevent my mistakes catching me up).
 

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Does anyone know how often the old gates are replaced by newer ones? surely there isn't a place where manual crossing gates are manufactured! But then again the ones on the network cannot be the same as those 100 years ago?
Not certain about lifespan of gates. Factors like poor maintenance or vehicle damage would reduce their life.

Last year or so we had seven sets replaced with steel gates across crossings in Lincolnshire. They were fabricated by a local firm, but weren't cheap. Other locations had lighter weight gates.
 

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Good morning,

I will be back in the UK in one week, aned maybe there ist some free time to check out another one or two old level crossings! Last time I was able to see at least one operated manually and one by the "steering wheel" from the nearby signal box, but now I'm intested in seeing something else:

Are there any level crossings with maually operated barriers and without semaphore oder color-light signals? In Germany and Austria this still exists, and I was wondering if there might be an English equivalent.

I will be around Wales, Sheffield, all in between and around it, with Interrail there is no problem in taking a longer journey to reach any station in Mid-UK and Wales.

Many thanks for your help!

Best regards, Robert
 

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Hello Robert @Stellwerker I hope you enjoy your return trip to the UK. :)

I cannot offer suggestions for crossings in the areas you are visiting - but here is a photo I took last year of a crossing still worked by hand. It's in the south coast near Southampton (a place called Marchwood - it sees occasional trains for Royal Navy's storage depot).
 

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Norbury Hollow Crossing (between Hazel Grove and Middlewood stations on the Manchester to Buxton line) where the signaller leaves his box to manually close/open the gates.
 

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Have I got the wrong impression here but there does seem to be preponderance of these crossings in Yorkshire! Is that due to a concentration of active forum members or some neglect in the modernisation of crossings in the region ?
 

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Have I got the wrong impression here but there does seem to be preponderance of these crossings in Yorkshire! Is that due to a concentration of active forum members or some neglect in the modernisation of crossings in the region ?
Bit of both

Also a contributory factor is that there was a de facto ban on new automatic crossings being installed in Yorkshire after the Lockington crash in 1986. This meant that a lot of manual gates survived long after they would have otherwise been decommissioned
 
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Bit of both

Also a contributory factor is that there was a de facto ban on new automatic crossings being installed in Yorkshire after the Lockington crash in 1986. This meant that a lot of manual gates survived long after they would have otherwise been decommissioned
Many thanks , we do set ourselves apart as proud and different, but hadn’t considered railway crossing technology in that.
Curious now as to why the ban was limited to Yorkshire when similar gates and situations must exist elsewhere but have been updated. Was the Lockington crash caused by some specific “Yorkshire” behaviour?
 

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Many thanks , we do set ourselves apart as proud and different, but hadn’t considered railway crossing technology in that.
Curious now as to why the ban was limited to Yorkshire when similar gates and situations must exist elsewhere but have been updated. Was the Lockington crash caused by some specific “Yorkshire” behaviour?
Not particularly but quite often rail accidents that happen in a particular region have the biggest safety impact in that region, at least initially

For example the Driver Reminder Appliance being invented and developed in Strathclyde after the Bellgrove and Newton crashes (although that’s subsequently spread all over the network, as has the ban on new auto crossings)
 

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There are some level crossings on the Cumbrian Coast line where the crossing keeper pushed the gates across manually. There's a couple of such crossings between Silecroft and Millom, where the A5093 road crosses the railway twice.

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