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Taunton to Minehead New Proposals

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The advantage of a slew even with its capital cost would be that it would not be annually recurring, which a subsidised service would be. The heritage line would have independent access to the station and could work what ever it needed (as could the TOC). The Wareham service model was expensive with signalling, stock upgrades and yet still didn't glow financially.

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Yes I thought that the bridge was built wide enough to take another track (even a fast one ;)) but that it would involve slewing the other lines over to accommodate it. In other words a very complicated and expensive bit of work?
The slightly arched truss span is over 40m long. You could get multiple additional tracks under there if desired, say for a yard extension. Note the apex roofed signalling relay room under the bridge.
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And moving some equipment cabinets, as I remember it. Probably means cables buried in the "wrong" places too...

I really can't see it happening, unless there's some other reason for re-modelling the whole area at some point.
The up main didn't move in the mid 80s remodel. First, the up relief was taken OOU under the old signalling. Then S&T used the space created to lay new cable routes, erect signal structures and equipment cabinets. These would all require moving further out (at natural renewal date for least cost) and some of the straight post signals might require replacement by more expensive bracket structures.

I think an interchange at Norton Fitzwarren is a better solution. It could be the new WSR terminus and a useful call for a new Exeter stopping service on the main line. WSR could independently operate additional DMU services to connect with this if they desired.

This 1:2500 OS map illustrates the ~1950s era layout in the Silk Mills area:
 
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Cullompton and Wellington really need to be resurrected ASAP. Dropping them is just penny pinching in the scheme of public funds

Norton Fitzwarren could be an add on.
Has Wellington definitely been canned? I know Cullompton has, but my local MP asked the Chancellor about Wellington in parliament at the end of July, and she used language to the tune of it still being fine (and as misleading parliament has consequences, one would assume this is true).

Has the specific location of a new Norton Fitzwarren station been outlined yet? Looking on satellite maps there is a location where the gap widens between the WSR link and the up main that could accommodate an island platform and is next to part of the town. Failing that the next-best looking place is a bit further west as the WSR curves away, although a stub of the reversing triangle may need removing and is further from the town. Either way I think the existing Norton platform is too far from the mainline to be part of a future interchange station.
 

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Re Whitby: I always wondered why you’d send your secondary spend away somewhere else.
It works both ways though. When we stayed in Whitby we travelled on a NYMR train to Pickering and back, which we probably would not have done if we had had to change at Grosmont.
 

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Has Wellington definitely been canned? I know Cullompton has, but my local MP asked the Chancellor about Wellington in parliament at the end of July, and she used language to the tune of it still being fine (and as misleading parliament has consequences, one would assume this is true).

Has the specific location of a new Norton Fitzwarren station been outlined yet? Looking on satellite maps there is a location where the gap widens between the WSR link and the up main that could accommodate an island platform and is next to part of the town. Failing that the next-best looking place is a bit further west as the WSR curves away, although a stub of the reversing triangle may need removing and is further from the town. Either way I think the existing Norton platform is too far from the mainline to be part of a future interchange station.

Good news if Wellington is still on.
 

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Has the specific location of a new Norton Fitzwarren station been outlined yet? Looking on satellite maps there is a location where the gap widens between the WSR link and the up main that could accommodate an island platform and is next to part of the town. Failing that the next-best looking place is a bit further west as the WSR curves away, although a stub of the reversing triangle may need removing and is further from the town. Either way I think the existing Norton platform is too far from the mainline to be part of a future interchange station.
I agree the existing platform is of little use. I don't think there's any public access to it currently. A site alongside Great Western Way near the Heritage Centre would be good for access. Here's a layout idea with minimal track changes beyond a new WSR platform line and run round:
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I agree the existing platform is of little use. I don't think there's any public access to it currently. A site alongside Great Western Way near the Heritage Centre would be good for access. Here's a layout idea with minimal track changes beyond a new SWR platform line and run round:
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That assumes that there is some sort of (stand-alone) business case for a Norton station, which I doubt - unless it were replacing Silk Mills P+R which is only a little further East.
 

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That assumes that there is some sort of (stand-alone) business case for a Norton station, which I doubt - unless it were replacing Silk Mills P+R which is only a little further East.
I'm not claiming a business case, just suggesting an outline idea that would probably work operationally. In mainline terms, the station would consist of two through platforms with no track or signalling changes. I cannot see it replacing the current bus-based P&R, as that serves stops more convenient for many than the railway station in the town centre. The station's primary mainline function would be an edge town railhead station for nearby housing and employment. It could be pedestrian-connected to the P&R site if desired. Additional parking might be situated in fields between the two sites. While some people might use services calling there to travel to Taunton if their destination was close to the station or they were interchanging for longer distance travel, I expect it would be more useful to people travelling further afield; Exeter, Bridgewater, Weston, Bristol, places a local service might serve.
 

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Yes, that is the longer term answer (above) Relay the separate track to the Minehead bay (as was). Then, operations are self contained.
GWR can operate to/from Bristol if they want.
Unfortunately I have to tell that there never was the "Minehead bay", it was used only as a last resort if the terminating train (from anywhere) could not be accommodated in the Up Relief platform, because it didn't align with the crossovers to move the stock back to the Down side. After the 1930s station rebuild it ended up squashed against the Railway Street railings, not even space for a run-round line. It would be impossible for a separate operation. As can be seen, now trackless, here

 

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Unfortunately I have to tell that there never was the "Minehead bay", it was used only as a last resort if the terminating train (from anywhere) could not be accommodated in the Up Relief platform, because it didn't align with the crossovers to move the stock back to the Down side. After the 1930s station rebuild it ended up squashed against the Railway Street railings, not even space for a run-round line. It would be impossible for a separate operation. As can be seen, now trackless, here

That wouldn't matter for a DMU service, whether run by WSR, GWR or the new lot Go-op, who seem interested in this region. However, aerial view shows it widening towards the buffers. There would be enough room for a loop around 3 or perhaps 4 coaches.
 
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