This needs some context with other Aventra variants and also other SWR rolling stock to show how good or bad they are.
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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates
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norbitonflyer
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Roger Ford reported that in Control Period 4 Class 805 was the third worst (out of fifteen) with exactly the same figure, 3487. The other three at the bottom of the table were Class 230 (905), class 777 (971), and class 195/1 (5,923)
The three worst moving annual average figures were Class 231 (3,708), class 230 (1,226) and class 777 (686). . The best was class 720 at 13,348.
Other Aventra variants
Class 720 (GA) 13348
Class 710/1 - - 12198
Class 710/2 - - - 9212
Class 345 - - - - 9014
Class 720/6 (C2C) 6908
Class 730 - - - - 5925
Goldfish62
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That's not at all bad. From memory it's somewhat better the full length 345s were at when Elizabeth line through working first started, and is way better than the 777 currently (moving annual average an appalling 686 miles per Mp701D).
OneTrackMinded
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Mind you as someone pointed out on twitter recently the 777 is a lot more technically advanced/new than the 701 so one could argue that's expected with a family of train never seen in the UK before
Goldfish62
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Don't accept that. The reliability of the 777 at this stage is very poor however you look at it. The equally radical 745 and 755 performed much better from the off.
I'm sure there'll be those on this thread who try to argue that the data shows that the 701 is the most unreliable train ever, but so far, albeit it being early days, that's not the case: it's very much middle-of-the-road.
NSEWonderer
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There is no defending how poor the 777s have been. If I remember correctly, around 26th July 2018 the 345s in 7 car form were around 3266 MTIN which was just about a year into their introduction. 701s most likely by a year's running will pass that. I don't believe the 345s have got past the 10k mark yet but I may be wrong.
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Currently on 9014.
NSEWonderer
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Ah thanks
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First time I’ve seen two on the “main“ side of London Waterloo togther this evening. In the rush hour mayhem of the signal failure, I almost didn’t notice…..
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SWT_USER
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I wish SWR would stop announcing that a 701 service is an 'arterio'. SWR have failed to recover from a points failure at Wimbledon this morning causing misery for thousands all day
I'm pretty sure the travelling public don't care whether their cancelled train is an "Arterio" or not. Cut the crap from the announcements...
I'm pretty sure the travelling public don't care whether their cancelled train is an "Arterio" or not. Cut the crap from the announcements...
I agree the Arterio name is pointless, it will be horrible endless announcements once all in service.
However the points were only fixed around 1800. Hard to recover from something that wasn't just the morning and infact most of the day.
Class450/4DES
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I agree. I feel like it does not make sense. SE don't do it with the City Beams. Arterio is just a horrid name too.
For once I wouldn’t blame SWR for this, a mess up by network rail during engineering works overnight caused the signalling system to not be able to identify whether the points were working or not meant that trains had to be talked past a signal on the up slow and down fast in the Earlsfield area. This wasn’t rectified for a good part of 14 hours or so, by then there’s no hope of service recovery. Not helped by further points failures in the Staines area. The infrastructure really is going down the drain.
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There were also delays and cancellations on the Direct in the morning, which SWR blamed on signalling problems in the Milford area. Most trains seemed to be picking up around 15 minutes delay between Guildford and Haslemere in each direction.
lxfe_mxtterz
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A message has just come through on my work phone; apparently 2D40 13:42 Guildford to London Waterloo is a 701 today. I can only assume this must be a mistake(?) as I didn't think they had signed off 701s on this route yet, and 2D40 is a Guildford duty so the guard wouldn't be able to work it anyhow.
norbitonflyer
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Shown on RTT as a pair of 450s.
701043 ran the first working of the Shepperton diagram this morning (2H90) 30 minutes late, but was then switched to cover the all-day Windsor diagram (2U09)
mansonlo49
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today there's a 5Q92 from Derby to Eastleigh, anyone known which is it? Thanks
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What unit is on 5T92/5T93 today - just seen going through Ashtead.
701007
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mansonlo49
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Thx
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Got it at bedford just now
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Wrong time of year - the 701s will surely be much more popular once it starts getting hot.
Mikey C
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Their platform displays do use the City Beam name though.
mansonlo49
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remembered 2022 summer heat wave，was on anglia 720，ac worked really well
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I’ve seen it today at Bedford, Derby LL towards Eastleigh
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Today's testing (701025):
5T91 - Clapham Yard - Waterloo - normal.
5T92 - Waterloo - Guildford - goes via Epsom.
5T93 - Guildford - Waterloo - goes via Cobham.
5T94 - Waterloo - Waterloo - goes to Hampton Court and then heads back to Waterloo.
5T95 - Waterloo - Clapham Yard - normal.
5T91 - Clapham Yard - Waterloo - normal.
5T92 - Waterloo - Guildford - goes via Epsom.
5T93 - Guildford - Waterloo - goes via Cobham.
5T94 - Waterloo - Waterloo - goes to Hampton Court and then heads back to Waterloo.
5T95 - Waterloo - Clapham Yard - normal.
NSEWonderer
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701034 had been at Waterloo around 5pm when I was there, i assume it was doing some testing with the doors before heading back to the depot as it had the door testing signs on the inside.
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A local councillor I know has been invited to the formal launch on 28 November.
Elorith
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Any idea what that entails?
Seems strange to call it a formal launch when they've been running in service for nearly a year now!
NSEWonderer
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They've been more so on a soft launch which is more of a loaded trial than a proper service launch.
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No idea I'm afraid. I shall make some discreet enquiries. I'm assuming it'll be at Waterloo.
I can only assume the launch means there's about to be a step change in the number of trains in service. Otherwise, as you say, I can't see much point given they've been in service for quite some time now.