Will Body Cams become something that nearly everyone wears ?.

[Peter Sarf]

Having read that Caledonian Sleeper are to get staff to wear body cameras it makes me wonder how common these will come in all sorts of public services.

It then occurs to me that even people like me (a mere customer) might like one just for my own reassurance. Say a run in with someone in security (I would prefer to ignore that sort of problem). Worse still assault or a mugging. But imagine having been ushered through a ticket gate only to be penalty fared at the other end. Would be nice to have proof that a helpful staff member at the beginning of the journey had let me through. I read a thread about someone who basically had a valid ticket but had not validated it.

I think the proliferation of litigation and number of rules means ordinary people will e inclined to become more defensive.

I suppose to sum up it means things can work both ways.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

God I hope not! Big Brother.

 

[class17]

How useful that would be........

Where did I put my keys?
What did I do with my wallet?
Yes, you agreed to move the fridge on Friday.
You put that £20 note on the table before you left.

 

[Western Lord]

How useful that would be........

Where did I put my keys?
What did I do with my wallet?
Yes, you agreed to move the fridge on Friday.
You put that £20 note on the table before you left.

No help with why you went upstairs though.

 

[GatwickDepress]

Loathe having to wear them at work, but it's the only real option when the police never show up and antisocial behaviour has gone through the roof.

 

[najaB]

Probably, yes. But not as security devices by rather as wearable tech improves. Think Google Glass but actually working.

 

[RichJF]

How useful that would be........

Where did I put my keys?
What did I do with my wallet?
Yes, you agreed to move the fridge on Friday.
You put that £20 note on the table before you left.

"You loaded the dishwasher wrong".........

 

[The_Train]

We've already reached the point of people investing in their own dashcams on cars so I think it is only a matter of time before some people will start to wear them in the course of their daily lives. Of course, the difference with this and dashcams is that most people have a camera phone and so can just record situations using that if they so wish, so probably won't be as widespread as dashcams

 

[trentside]

I think there’s plenty out there already who do use their own cameras day in day out.

I liked having a camera when I was customer facing on late shifts. It made me feel more secure especially with little back up. I do think that’s a sad reflection on society though!

 

[Russel]

Is anti-social behaviour a big issue on the Caledonian Sleeper then?

 

[Travelmonkey]

It's a by-product of the modern era although I know many disabled people whom are recording their passenger assist failures, the big name you all will know is Doug Pauley but he's one of many,

 

[Kieran_MF135]

I wear one now due to assistance failures for proof

 

[AlterEgo]

Is anti-social behaviour a big issue on the Caledonian Sleeper then?

I can imagine that with an open bar serving whisky they deal with trouble now and again.

 

[DoubleLemon]

We wear a body cam when walking the dogs, we have been hit by cyclists and scooters running the red light at the crossing and hit the dog. Its been great for the one time we had to get the police involved as they denied everything until the camera footage was shown.

 

[12LDA28C]

Is anti-social behaviour a big issue on the Caledonian Sleeper then?

It's not just Caledonian Sleeper staff getting them though. Other TOCs have introduced them or are in the process of doing so, particularly for gateline and revenue staff.

 

[Pompey00]

It's not just Caledonian Sleeper staff getting them though. Other TOCs have introduced them or are in the process of doing so, particularly for gateline and revenue staff.

Like myself and colleagues who are frontline at railway stations or trains have to wear them for safety reasons

 

[Gloster]

A question from someone who has negligible technical competence: how easy would it be to edit the footage for dishonest purposes? A member of the public editing out an instruction from staff so that they can claim they were never told something is one of many possibilities.

And is there also not a risk of the cameras being violently removed by a malefactor or are they on permanent feed to a remote terminal.

 

[Pompey00]

My one at work is only seen by supervisors/managers we have no access to it

A question from someone who has negligible technical competence: how easy would it be to edit the footage for dishonest purposes? A member of the public editing out an instruction from staff so that they can claim they were never told something is one of many possibilities.

And is there also not a risk of the cameras being violently removed by a malefactor or are they on permanent feed to a remote terminal.

 

[najaB]

A question from someone who has negligible technical competence: how easy would it be to edit the footage for dishonest purposes? A member of the public editing out an instruction from staff so that they can claim they were never told something is one of many possibilities.

They would also need to edit the timestamps to match their edited version of reality.

And is there also not a risk of the cameras being violently removed by a malefactor or are they on permanent feed to a remote terminal

Very few (if any) upload in real-time.

 

[Mojo]

Very few (if any) upload in real-time.

BTP wear body cams that can live-stream to their control room if need be. They are from this company: https://www.revealmedia.co.uk/products

 

[En]

It's not just Caledonian Sleeper staff getting them though. Other TOCs have introduced them or are in the process of doing so, particularly for gateline and revenue staff.

That i suspect is for evidential purposes , much the same the Police and other 999 services wear them ( commonly available to all Emergency and Middle tier/ Urgent ambulance crews in some if not all services and i believe some fire and resuce services have them or have helmts which can mount a camera in the comb )

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A question from someone who has negligible technical competence: how easy would it be to edit the footage for dishonest purposes? A member of the public editing out an instruction from staff so that they can claim they were never told something is one of many possibilities.

And is there also not a risk of the cameras being violently removed by a malefactor or are they on permanent feed to a remote terminal.

the ones used by the 999 services , which look similar to those being used by shop and transport staff have no user controls except a privacy button ( for when you are attending to personal needs ) and an event marker button - downloading etc is conducted by Managers / Loss Preventio / Counter-Fraud and Security teams

 

[Flying Snail]

A question from someone who has negligible technical competence: how easy would it be to edit the footage for dishonest purposes? A member of the public editing out an instruction from staff so that they can claim they were never told something is one of many possibilities.

And is there also not a risk of the cameras being violently removed by a malefactor or are they on permanent feed to a remote terminal.

Staff worn cameras download to a server with access restricted and strict GDPR compliance rules so those wearing them have no access to watch or edit.

Public members with their own can edit all they like to present a favourable narrative just as happens with phone or gopro footage and of course they unlike staff can upload whatever they want to the internet.

 

[AM9]

Staff worn cameras download to a server with access restricted and strict GDPR compliance rules so those wearing them have no access to watch or edit.

Public members with their own can edit all they like to present a favourable narrative just as happens with phone or gopro footage and of course they unlike staff can upload whatever they want to the internet.

Whilst it is easy to edit video to remove 'awkward' footage, it would be virtually impossible to remove evidence of an edit.

 

[Flying Snail]

Whilst it is easy to edit video to remove 'awkward' footage, it would be virtually impossible to remove evidence of an edit.

When the court of public opinion is the primary arbiter of the "truth" then that is of little concern.

 

[AM9]

When the court of public opinion is the primary arbiter of the "truth" then that is of little concern.

Given that we are talking about editing 'evidence', which ultimately may be scrutinised in court, any signs of tampering with that evidence would quickly be called out.

 

[Flying Snail]

Given that we are talking about editing 'evidence', which ultimately may be scrutinised in court, any signs of tampering with that evidence would quickly be called out.

Very few disputes end up in front of a court, even less so a court that will be forensically analyzing footage for tampering.

If adjudicated at all, it is far more likely it will be some faceless person in some office with very questionable skills when it comes to understanding video evidence.

Just look at the recent thread here about that "Francis" character and how much weight most posters put on an uploaded video showing part of an interaction with a staff member, the niceties of evidence calibre certainly didn't stop the social media pile on demanding the staff member's head.

 

[AM9]

Very few disputes end up in front of a court, even less so a court that will be forensically analyzing footage for tampering.

If adjudicated at all, it is far more likely it will be some faceless person in some office with very questionable skills when it comes to understanding video evidence.

Just look at the recent thread here about that "Francis" character and how much weight most posters put on an uploaded video showing part of an interaction with a staff member, the niceties of evidence calibre certainly didn't stop the social media pile on demanding the staff member's head.

So even with the 'mib's' frequent demands, nothing changes if the staffer has acted reasonably. It's the management's problem if the handling of the customer isn't acceptable.