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Euston Station in 1969

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racyrich

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'Plenty of room for 30,000 passengers a day.'

Now 31 million a year, so nearly 100,000 a day. No wonder it's crowded.
 

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That clip is actually part of the excellent BBC documentary "Engines must not enter the potato siding" - there is a little bit more about Euston and the newly electrified line at 31.31. Set to the "good morning starshine" tune - the whole thing exudes a kind of magical optimism......

 

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'Plenty of room for 30,000 passengers a day.'

Now 31 million a year, so nearly 100,000 a day. No wonder it's crowded.
It is crowded because they have filled all the wonderful vast circulation space with sales outlets.

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In the 'Euston Overcrowding' thread this film of its opening was linked to:

The concourse looks very spacious in this 1968 film of it opening (before it was filled with various spurious stuff), and the departure indicator board was massively long to spread people out.


Out of interest, in that film I can see people walking around on the high-level balcony than runs above the departure board and around the whole concourse... was that ever used by the public? I assume it's not accessible any more? What's up there?
 

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It is crowded because they have filled all the wonderful vast circulation space with sales outlets.

John
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Er, there are fewer retail units (including the Suburban Ticket Office) opening onto the concourse now than there ever were, including in 1969. I remember it.
 

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Er, there are fewer retail units (including the Suburban Ticket Office) opening onto the concourse now than there ever were, including in 1969. I remember it.

I'm not sure...
I remember that when you came through the barrier line (and up then ramp to concourse level from the suburban platform) you had a clear sight through windows/doors in the far side to the Euston Road. Although the new food outlets are on the upper level on the Euston Road side of the station, below them is a solid block which didn't exist, and occupies former concourse space.
Similarly, the 'East Colonnade' (the route from Evershoilt Street) was wider - the retail units have been extended onto it. the original building line was in line with the office entrance doors on the right (as you enter the station) that remains unchanged at the top of the steps.
When you enter the concourse from that East Colonnade you have to turn sharp right - I don't remember that constriction in the late '60s early '70s.
The upper level (where the Avanti 1st class lounge etc is now) was open to passengers and had more open space and seats, in my recollection.
Retail units on the station concourse itself was limited to the 'Four Leaf Clover'. On the East Colonnade there was Barclays (??) Bank, Wallace Heaton and Menzies on the corner., on the West one just the 'Bufferstop' bar. Exiting to the west you could also leave by passing between the Left Luggage Office and platforms 14-17.
Passengers in the 1960s/70s tended to arrive perhaps ten minutes before their trains' departure. At some of the present eating outlets - for example 'Nando's' - I would think you might have to arrive about an hour before train departure time have time to order and to eat. Having people waiting around obviously increases congestion, but part of the reason for this is that, now, you have to catch a specific train otherwise your ticket isn't valid.
 

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I'm not sure...
I remember that when you came through the barrier line (and up then ramp to concourse level from the suburban platform) you had a clear sight through windows/doors in the far side to the Euston Road. Although the new food outlets are on the upper level on the Euston Road side of the station, below them is a solid block which didn't exist, and occupies former concourse space.
Similarly, the 'East Colonnade' (the route from Evershoilt Street) was wider - the retail units have been extended onto it. the original building line was in line with the office entrance doors on the right (as you enter the station) that remains unchanged at the top of the steps.
When you enter the concourse from that East Colonnade you have to turn sharp right - I don't remember that constriction in the late '60s early '70s.
The upper level (where the Avanti 1st class lounge etc is now) was open to passengers and had more open space and seats, in my recollection.
Retail units on the station concourse itself was limited to the 'Four Leaf Clover'. On the East Colonnade there was Barclays (??) Bank, Wallace Heaton and Menzies on the corner., on the West one just the 'Bufferstop' bar. Exiting to the west you could also leave by passing between the Left Luggage Office and platforms 14-17.
Passengers in the 1960s/70s tended to arrive perhaps ten minutes before their trains' departure. At some of the present eating outlets - for example 'Nando's' - I would think you might have to arrive about an hour before train departure time have time to order and to eat. Having people waiting around obviously increases congestion, but part of the reason for this is that, now, you have to catch a specific train otherwise your ticket isn't valid.
The 'solid block' was the escalators and stairs to/from the Underground, taxi rank and car park. These have been re-oriented to open onto the piazza (and the car park and taxi rank are no longer there). Particularly with the associated pedestrian flows these areas were not usable for standing around.
The Colonnades are not part of the concourse.
It is completely wrong to suggest that passengers generally arrived 'perhaps ten minutes before their train's departure'. In 1968 there was an hourly service to Northampton and to Birmingham, two hourly to Liverpool, Manchester and Scotland, a rather more 'occasional' service to North Wales, Blackpool or Barrow. You certainly didn't rock up at the last minute to queue for a ticket and catch your train. There was a lot of hanging around on the seatless concourse and most people were evidently unaware of the first floor lounge, which BR didn't go out of its way to publicise. There was probably also a lot more (proportionally) hanging around to meet people from arrivals back then too.
I accept that with seating below much of the mezzanine there is less open floor space on the concourse but many people now wait elsewhere around the station, with departure information available on mobile devices for most.
 

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I'm a bit confused by the tube escalator layout at 30:44. Trying to think on how the layout changed throughout the years. I think the Chaplain's office was at the bottom on the right, if looking to the left or was it in the taxi rank?
 

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you don't get voice overs like that anymore! I also like the fact someone was sent up what I assume was a lighting tower with a heavy period camera.

I assume those statues are now in the NRM - I am sure I have seen them
 
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