Use of Peterborough platforms

[HST43257]

It seems to me that if there’s any delays, fast London services can cause trouble stopping in platform 3. In some cases, there have even been nonstop services running through platform 1 or 2 while something else is in 3, which I believe has itself led to incidents with trains being too fast over a crossover at the north end. So how about routinely sending stopping intercity services into platform 1? Thameslinks can use platform 2 all day, and morning Great Northern services can quickly get in and out of platform 1, as they’re just picking up passengers. Anglia terminators can terminate in 7 and depart from 6, making use of the shunt as a turnback. Thanks to the Werrington diveunder, Lincoln services can go into Platform 5, retimed to not interfere with any intercity services potentially requiring 5.

 

[transportphoto]

Anglia terminators can terminate in 7 and depart from 6, making use of the shunt as a turnback.

Why the need to shunt? I doubt Greater Anglia drivers sign anything north of Peterborough station itself.

 

[JonathanH]

So how about routinely sending stopping intercity services into platform 1?

The time taken to slow trains down and get them across to platform 1 isn't in the schedules since platform 3 has been built and become operational.

 

[D365]

… In some cases, there have even been nonstop services running through platform 1 or 2 while something else is in 3, which I believe has itself led to incidents with trains being too fast over a crossover at the north end.

ETCS will mitigate this in the future by supervising approach speeds.

 

[HST43257]

Why the need to shunt? I doubt Greater Anglia drivers sign anything north of Peterborough station itself.

Of course ideally keep them in the platform, but there’s trains in both directions meaning 6 and 7 are not ideal. I’d say put them in 5 but the platform would need to be available in that part of the hour for intercity services

 

[30907]

The time taken to slow trains down and get them across to platform 1 isn't in the schedules since platform 3 has been built and become operational.

The handful of trains booked that way (says RTT for tomorrow) have identical running times into Peterborough and at most 1/2min departing.

Of course ideally keep them in the platform, but there’s trains in both directions meaning 6 and 7 are not ideal. I’d say put them in 5 but the platform would need to be available in that part of the hour for intercity services

RTT has most of them on 6/7 anyway. Even an hourly service shouldn't cause problems.

 

[HST43257]

RTT has most of them on 6/7 anyway. Even an hourly service shouldn't cause problems.

But then other services on the March route use 5, which is unavailable due to the Lincolns and LNERs at that time in the hour in my idea

 

[30907]

But then other services on the March route use 5, which is unavailable due to the Lincolns and LNERs at that time in the hour in my idea

One EM train per hour uses 5, so do occasional LNERs - and Lincolns can use 2B with a TL in 2A.
I agree with EC rather than TL using 1, but I think you are overcomplicating things.

 

[berwicksfinest]

Are we actually sure the "overtaking" services are not held at Fletton Junction, awaiting for the "Fast" to finish station duties, and keep them in order

 

[HST43257]

One EM train per hour uses 5, so do occasional LNERs - and Lincolns can use 2B with a TL in 2A.
I agree with EC rather than TL using 1, but I think you are overcomplicating things.

Ah, I wasn’t aware both could fit in platform 2

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Are we actually sure the "overtaking" services are not held at Fletton Junction, awaiting for the "Fast" to finish station duties, and keep them in order

On multiple occasions I’ve overtaken other services in the southbound platforms at Peterborough. Some morning LNERs have about 5 minutes in Peterborough, and if another train is behind it delayed, it will overtake to regain correct order

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Why the need to shunt? I doubt Greater Anglia drivers sign anything north of Peterborough station itself.

I've several times seen 700s parked in Westwood Yard so presumably the GA drivers sign as far as that - maybe not the entire yard, but one or two specific roads in it?

 

[transportphoto]

I've several times seen 700s parked in Westwood Yard

700s, or 755s? Either way, it’s not impossible.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

700s, or 755s? Either way, it’s not impossible.

Definitely 12 car 700s.

 

[transportphoto]

Definitely 12 car 700s.

You’re confusing a conversation about Greater Anglia terminating 755s (from Colchester/Ipswich) with Great Northern/Thameslink (GTR).

GTR do sign into Spital and Nene Sidings.

I doubt Greater Anglia sign any shunt moves, or access to any platforms other than 4-7. Happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

You’re confusing a conversation about Greater Anglia terminating 755s (from Colchester/Ipswich) with Great Northern/Thameslink (GTR).

GTR do sign into Spital and Nene Sidings.

I doubt Greater Anglia sign any shunt moves, or access to any platforms other than 4-7. Happy to be proven wrong.

Oops, yes.... I think I'd better get to bed and get some sleep!!!

 

[D365]

What are we trying to solve here?

 

[HST43257]

What are we trying to solve here?

Southbound LNER/OAO being stopped in P3 for 5ish mins as is sometimes timetabled. As a result, delayed passing service in wrong order gets held behind for 5 mins, or passes the stopped train through much slower P1 or P2, which means trains must either slow down a lot, or do an unsafe low speed crossover move (at high speed).

 

[JonathanH]

Southbound LNER/OAO being stopped in P3 for 5ish mins as is sometimes timetabled.

As someone pointed out above, if the trains through platform 3 are being timed in the same way as when they went through platform 1, because the improvement in journey times hasn't yet been reflected in the plan, then long dwells will result.

 

[dk1]

You’re confusing a conversation about Greater Anglia terminating 755s (from Colchester/Ipswich) with Great Northern/Thameslink (GTR).

GTR do sign into Spital and Nene Sidings.

I doubt Greater Anglia sign any shunt moves, or access to any platforms other than 4-7. Happy to be proven wrong.

Been the best part of 20 years since Anglia Railways drivers went into Nene sidings.