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West Midlands Class 323 - the final countdown

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323207 working Stoke-Manchester locals today.323219 working Crewe-Manchester locals.These two have been regulars in service this last month.323208 and 323220 were regulars earlier in the year.
Was on the 11.55 from Stoke to Prestbury, very impressed with the acceleration and speed it maintained. Windows were open so I enjoyed the sound effects from passing trains. Had 228 on the way back and had time for a couple of pints of plum porter in the bod bar . Lovely drink.prestbury 003.JPG
 
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Observations Friday 06th September 2024
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323221
Four oaks to Redditch
323222 323240

323215 at Soho undergoing repairs, wheel bearings.

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Observations Saturday 07th September 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323222 323240
Redditch to Four Oaks
323221 323216.

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Sunday 08th September 2024.
1. 5G98 1601 Four Oaks to Soho cancelled 2. 5U99 1649 Soho to Four Oaks cancelled.

Means Monday 09th September 2024
Four oaks to Redditch will be
323222 323240, most likely as they remain stabled at Four Oaks since Saturday.

However seeing as the ecs moves on the Crosscity city north didn't run today, means that
Sunday 08th September 2024 will be the first Sunday probably since 1994/1995 when 323s came into service apart from Christmas or Boxing day, or strikes.
That a 323 on the whole of the Crosscity line, or anywhere originating from Birmingham New Street ,or Soho depot either ecs, or in passenger traffic has actually ran. With no 323s out, in what was common 323 ground.

However Sunday 08t September 2024.
Four oaks 323222 323240 stabled, not used.
Soho 323215 323216 323221 repair and servicing. Not in service.

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Monday 09th September 2024. Observations
Four oaks to Redditch
323222 323240
Bromsgrove to Redditch
323221 323216

323221 is now at the Lichfield end with 323216 Bromsgrove end.
323216 has a nice new pantograph on.

323215 Soho still.

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Observations Friday 06th September 2024
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323221
Four oaks to Redditch
323222 323240

323215 at Soho undergoing repairs, wheel bearings.

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Observations Saturday 07th September 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323222 323240
Redditch to Four Oaks
323221 323216.

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Sunday 08th September 2024.
1. 5G98 1601 Four Oaks to Soho cancelled 2. 5U99 1649 Soho to Four Oaks cancelled.

Means Monday 09th September 2024
Four oaks to Redditch will be
323222 323240, most likely as they remain stabled at Four Oaks since Saturday.

However seeing as the ecs moves on the Crosscity city north didn't run today, means that
Sunday 08th September 2024 will be the first Sunday probably since 1994/1995 when 323s came into service apart from Christmas or Boxing day, or strikes.
That a 323 on the whole of the Crosscity line, or anywhere originating from Birmingham New Street ,or Soho depot either ecs, or in passenger traffic has actually ran. With no 323s out, in what was common 323 ground.

However Sunday 08t September 2024.
Four oaks 323222 323240 stabled, not used.
Soho 323215 323216 323221 repair and servicing. Not in service.

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Monday 09th September 2024. Observations
Four oaks to Redditch
323222 323240
Bromsgrove to Redditch
323221 323216

323221 is now at the Lichfield end with 323216 Bromsgrove end.
323216 has a nice new pantograph on.

323215 Soho still.
Apologies correction
Monday 09th September 2024.

Bromsgrove to Lichfield .
323221 323216
323221 is Lichfield end. 323216 Bromsgrove end. Change from last week
With 323216 new Pantograph.
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Warwickshire
 
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323216 has a nice new pantograph on.
Presumably this is why the ECS moves where cancelled yesterday, with No spare units (again) currently meant that work is having to be done on Sundays on the units which have been out all week.
 

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Presumably this is why the ECS moves where cancelled yesterday, with No spare units (again) currently meant that work is having to be done on Sundays on the units which have been out all week.
Correct, plus stabling space at Soho, keeping a pair at Four Oaks, plus, as well, like last weekend, a pair of 323s, which was, stabling overnight at Birmingham New Street, ie , Saturday to Sunday, but this weekend just gone, Saturday to Sunday.
A pair of 730s stabled overnight at Redditch also, due to capacity at Soho also.
 

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Seems to have settled into the same couple of units out now which no changes since last week.

216 + 221 - Four Oaks - Redditch
222 + 240 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
 

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Observations Tuesday 10th September 2024.
Four oaks to Redditch
323216 323221.

Lichfield to Bromsgrove
323222 323240.

However subject to disruption, possibly displacement throughout rest of day, due to a incident at Chester Road.
 

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Only one pair out now, The Redditch pair was involved in the incident at Chester Road so has returned to depot. Thoughts with everyone involved in the incident.
 

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Update 2015 Hours Tuesday 09tj September 2024.

Until 1315 hours approx
Four Oaks to Redditch
323216 323221, withdrawal from service due to very sad tragic incident Chester Road.

Bromsgrove to Lichfield till 1623 hours.
2044 1539 Lichfield Trent Valley to Birmingham New Street
323222 323240.

Four oaks to Redditch after 1623,
323222 Solo, from 2R43 onwards 1615 Birmingham New Street to Redditch,

2044 1623 Birmingham New Street to Bromsgrove solo 323240.
However after 1739 hours Birmingham New Street on way back to Lichfield on 2P49 after starting from Longbridge due to late running 323240 removed from service due to failure on its wipers

So 323222 solo and still going strong to end the day on the Redditch to Four Oaks diagram from 1739 onwards. Only solo 323 out from 1739.

So after 1739 323222 solo Redditch to Four Oaks
Soho 323215 323221 323222 323240.
However it does mean that Tuesday 10th September 2024, again who knows what might any predictions can be in final few weeks or so.
That 323240 worked a Birmingham New Street to Longbridge peak service solo.
Whilst 323222 worked a few services on The Redditch to Four Oaks diagram solo.
Probably the final workings solo, but not booked. But as we know it could occur again.
 

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I've got an inkling only the Bromsgrove-Lichfield diagram is being worked by 323's today. Can anyone confirm?
Yes,

14:03 and 14:33 departures from Bromsgrove are the 323 runs today. Presumably will be back to normal tomorrow.
 

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Apols for poor technical quality, here's 207 at Piccadilly on Saturday 7th:
 

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14:03 and 14:33 departures from Bromsgrove are the 323 runs today. Presumably will be back to normal tomorrow.
Indeed, back to usual diagrams:

Thu 12Sep
observed at Longbridge late morning
S 323222 323240 N Redditch-Four Oaks
S 323221 323216 N Bromsgrove-Lichfield
S=South end, N=North end
 

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Observations Wednesday 11th September 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield x2 323 workings rather than 1
323216 323221. Vice 730 due to stock displacement from Tuesday 10th September 2024.
323240 323222 on usual diagram.

Redditch to Four Oaks.
730 vice 323.

Observations Thursday 12th September 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks.
323240 323222

Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323221.
 

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Is there really such a pressing need for the 323s in the West Midlands now? When will these final ones clinging on be taken off the two aforementioned diagrams? You'd think enough 730s were accepted for a full service now.
 

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Is there really such a pressing need for the 323s in the West Midlands now? When will these final ones clinging on be taken off the two aforementioned diagrams? You'd think enough 730s were accepted for a full service now.
They finish at the end of the month, There still units in storage I think hence why they haven't been taken off yet, usually 2 units (a pair) get taken away when 2 730s are available to step in, which has been case throughout the whole introduction.
 

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Is there really such a pressing need for the 323s in the West Midlands now? When will these final ones clinging on be taken off the two aforementioned diagrams? You'd think enough 730s were accepted for a full service now.
No, still a small shortage, bizarrely 730027, seen in service various times on Cross city line, went into store recently at Gascoigne Wood, plus Tuesday 10th September 2024, for the record in the evening, a 730 diagramm was also cancelled on Redditch to Four Oaks throughout from 2000 hours,
Because a 730 failed, and no spares to re replace it,
 

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No, still a small shortage, bizarrely 730027, seen in service various times on Cross city line, went into store recently at Gascoigne Wood, plus Tuesday 10th September 2024, for the record in the evening, a 730 diagramm was also cancelled on Redditch to Four Oaks throughout from 2000 hours,
Because a 730 failed, and no spares to re replace it,
It's getting increasingly likely the 323s will go into October at this rate! By the looks of it there no changes again next week to the diagram situation.
 

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Observations Friday 13th September 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323240 323222

Redditch to Four Oaks.
323216 323221.

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Observations Saturday 14th September 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323240 323222

Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323221

323215 remains at Soho repair out of service.
 
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Observations Friday 13th September 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323240 323222

Redditch to Four Oaks.
323216 323221.

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Observations Saturday 14th September 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323240 323222

Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323221

323215 remains at Soho repair out of service.
323221 has a door out of service
 

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323221 has a door out of service
Easy enough to fix, however requires depot attention, which means this Sunday the Four Oaks to Soho empties should run. For the above. Thanks for the update.

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Observations Sunday 15th September 2024
1601 5G98 Four Oaks to Soho 323221 323216.

1649 5U99 Soho to Four Oaks
323216 323221 returning after sorting a door fault on 323221 after a quick visit to Soho for attention.

323216 still Four Oaks end 323221 Redditch end.

Means Monday 16th September 2024
Redditch to Four Oaks should be
323216 323221.
 
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Easy enough to fix, however requires depot attention, which means this Sunday the Four Oaks to Soho empties should run. For the above. Thanks for the update.

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Observations Sunday 15th September 2024
1601 5G98 Four Oaks to Soho 323221 323216.

1649 5U99 Soho to Four Oaks
323216 323221 returning after sorting a door fault on 323221 after a quick visit to Soho for attention.

323216 still Four Oaks end 323221 Redditch end.

Means Monday 16th September 2024
Redditch to Four Oaks should be
323216 323221.
Interesting that they sent the set to Soho and then straight back to four oaks, would of thought they would swap it over with the another pair.

Would of it been easier to send a fitter to four oaks instead of running the stock empty both ways?
 

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Interesting that they sent the set to Soho and then straight back to four oaks, would of thought they would swap it over with the another pair.

Would of it been easier to send a fitter to four oaks instead of running the stock empty both ways?
Maybe it required Cet tanking at Soho as well, to provide a working Universal Accessible Toilet, ie Toilet had no water or low on water, as well, and needed refilling, or needed a quick inspection of doors in case it needed a part,

Maybe 323240 323222, needs some work or a light exam at Soho, so couldn't be used until Bromsgrove on Monday 15th September 2024, however 323215 still remains Long term repair at Soho.
 

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observed at New St this morning
S 323222 323240 N Bromsgrove-Lichfield
S 323221 323216 N Four Oaks-Redditch
S=South end, N=North end
 

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With the Four Oaks - Redditch diagram, what are the time departures from Four Oaks please?
Here is my 'Ready Reckoner' for Four Oaks for both diagrams. (These times might be a minute or two out compared with the actual timetable).
StationDirectionTimeTrain
Four OaksTo Redditch05:47Diagram3 2R03
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove06:56Diagram4 2O08
Four OaksFrom Redditch08:10Diagram3 2U10
Four OaksTo Redditch08:17Diagram3 2R13
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove09:00Diagram4 2P13
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove09:56Diagram4 2O20
Four OaksFrom Redditch10:40Diagram3 2U20
Four OaksTo Redditch10:47Diagram3 2R23
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove12:00Diagram4 2P25
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove12:56Diagram4 2O32
Four OaksFrom Redditch13:10Diagram3 2U30
Four OaksTo Redditch13:17Diagram3 2R33
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove15:00Diagram4 2P37
Four OaksFrom Redditch15:40Diagram3 2U40
Four OaksTo Redditch15:47Diagram3 2R43
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove15:56Diagram4 2O44
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove18:00Diagram4 2P49
Four OaksFrom Redditch18:10Diagram3 2U50
Four OaksTo Redditch18:17Diagram3 2R53
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove18:56Diagram4 2O56
Four OaksFrom Redditch20:40Diagram3 2U60
Four OaksTo Redditch20:47Diagram3 2R63
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove21:00Diagram4 2P61
Four OaksTo Bromsgrove21:56Diagram4 2O68
Four OaksFrom Redditch23:10Diagram3 2U70
Four OaksFrom Bromsgrove00:00Diagram4 2U73 to Four Oaks
 
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