Assessments & Medicals discussion

[CreswellSig]

Just be aware that if you sat stage 2 6 weeks ago, you will not be able to resit this again for 6 months. If you passed to another TOCs standard happy days. If the other TOC have enhanced standards you may not have passed and will need to wait/resit

Ok, thanks. I have just found out today that I have passed the Stage 2 tests to the other TOC's standard, so next stage is the interview. Happy days!

 

[NSEWonderer]

Hi guys,

I have an assessment coming up soon, I failed in February on the flasing images that comes up for 1 second, does anyone have any software that I can practice? Or is there anywhere I can get any?

Thank you.

Better off getting someone you know to hold up some photos of streets with traffic, pedestrians etc and then remove them after 1 second. Better than paying for relatively the same thing.

 

[Spider1806]

So had my medical, and by the skin of my teeth, made it through!! Just waiting on D&A but that’ll be a pass

For future ref for anyone else, the ORR limit is 180/100 - if either number is over it’s a fail. Mine was 132/92, first couple taken were 103 and 102 on the second number My advice would be to take a couple of deep breaths in and out and try to be as relaxed as possible - did the trick for me at least!!

Being silly here what does ORR stand for?

 

[Danfilm007]

Being silly here what does ORR stand for?

Office of Rail and Road

 

[Spider1806]

For the cable and dials test, in case it helps anyone, I recently passed TRP 2 on assessment day. I was very confident that all 17-18 dials were correct. It's definitely about accuracy as well as speed. I'll have to find out from OPC if it was an Enhanced or National, but it was fine for C2C, who I was told have a higher mark.

Hope it helps anyone stressing or waiting for a result, wondering if it's down to that on TRP2 like I was, and good luck!

I can't help but state how important it is to go to the assessments with a calm mind. I booked a hotel the day before the assessments, took time to find the hotel where the assessments would take place, and relaxed. On the day of the assessments, the Elizabeth line was down, and I would have missed the start time or just barely made it, albeit with traveling worries on the mind, which isn't good. I even managed to have breakfast at the hotel, which again helped.

I had practiced Group Bourdon all week. In my opinion, it's worth only practicing one testing round every day. There are 5 sheets over 10 minutes, and the Group Bourdon tool is what you use to print these practice tests out.

I went from 9 lines and 3 omissions to, by the last day, 11-12 lines and 0 to 1 omissions. On the day of the test, it was much clearer, only about 16 lines down, and the 4 dots were quite obvious to see, in my opinion. I completed 11 on 2 sheets and 12 on the remaining 3, able to see that by counting the remaining rows I hadn't done every sheet. Each sheet is 2 minutes duration, and you have 5 sheets to complete to make up 10 minutes total time for the Group Bourdon. You work from the top of the sheet from left to right as you work your way down. No other movement of working should be conducted if you want the best chance of passing.

The next assessment was TRP 1. This test was my favorite and is comprehension; we had a page on the train's braking system. You're read out the info as well as given time to read and make notes on the page of info. What I aimed to do was pick out specific data, especially numerical data, and wrote that on the notes.

I felt very confident on the 18 questions, being asked about things from the Brake Bar Pressure numbers to the color of certain buttons, etc. A few questions you could have had an educated guess. I found I finished that and had quite a bit of time to read over my answers. The only number 18 I may have been a tad unsure of, as it could have been two answers in my head.

TRP2 was the assessment I was confident in, but later, after it was done, I was quite worried, as I was confident that my answers were correct but unsure if I had done enough, as many were saying they had answered above 20 questions, some even 30. It also says that you would not be marked down for incorrect answers, which compounded my doubts, but I passed.

You're given 4 dials with priority sections and numbers. You have 7 minutes to answer 43 of these questions. You're also given 3 practice questions to get to grips with it. It's easy once you understand the concept, and the invigilators are very helpful. I got 2 of the 3 practice runs correct the first time, thinking I had all 3 right, but it turned out I accidentally marked the wrong answer for question 3, which was beside the one I had correctly found. So I assume that's why I slowed down during the real test to be more thorough.

The test started, and I worked quite quickly in my head. However, I was shocked at how quickly the time went, and before I knew it, the time was up. It felt to me like 2 minutes when it was really the full 7 minutes.

I would honestly say how I could have improved, and a tip would be to try and work out the first 3 priorities, and then the 4th should be common sense instead of trying to check all 4. You could also use your notes to work out the first 3 for about 10 questions, then quickly mark the box of the correct answer for each question.

Last of the day was TEA-OCC, the test I was worried truly before assessment day. I had used practice tests and the audios on those were rapid. I used railtest, I got better each day. On that app it also made the part 3(where you do both the phone book stage and tones) quite hard as you had to differentiate between high and low tones plus on the phone book the rating, area code and if its a tailor or restaurant etc. In the real test you didn't do such extremes as on part 3, it was one single tone plus you only need to find double symbols(XX OO ■■ for example) I completed the whole phone book with the time given between each question asking about the number of tones.

Parts 1 and 2, in my opinion, already are well covered on this forum, so I won't elaborate too much on them. However, Part 2's phone book is identical to Part 3's phone book in that you're simply searching for double symbols. Disregard any other information as it serves as a distraction, such as area codes, ratings, etc. Just concentrate on the double symbols. The invigilator clarified that all phonebook numbers on the sheet belong to the same service, meaning all plumbers, all restaurants, all clinics, etc. There is only one service on the A3 sheet!! Don't bother to double check for any differences as this happened to someone on the day and they ended up finding out too late.

Part 2 and 3 with the phone books you should be working from up to down for each column moving across. No other movement should be conducted to have the best chance of passing.

Pay attention and ask questions if confused. All the assessments had practice of some sort before the real test began and this was a time to ask for help and correction before the real test. We had helpful Invigilators. Remember it's too late once you've started the real questions.

Good luck and hopefully this is legible enough for those reading!

Main Computer Tests Breakdown: Vienna Test System

Hi there

I have been practising daily and I am getting to 11 lines with no actual mistakes

But say missing one one 2 lines out of 11

Is this fairly good?

 

[NSEWonderer]

Hi there

I have been practising daily and I am getting to 11 lines with no actual mistakes

But say missing one one 2 lines out of 11

Is this fairly good?

Yeh not bad at all, on the day all down to whatever they're scoring it on but I'd say thats the right ballpark.

 

[Burrowl]

Hi everyone,

I've just taken the train driver assessment centre. I'm now awaiting the MMI, any DMI and the medical.
I already work for my TOC, and their outsourced occupational health told me that I was unfit for safety critical duties due to having a 'low BMI' of 16.2 - 16.7 at time of their measurement.

I have had 4 assessments with occupational health and passed the first two, despite having an even lower BMI, and then dispatched competently for 6 months. Their logic does not seem reasonable to me, and I am convinced that I have the right to complain about this.

What I am really concerned about is to ensure that I am allowed to continue my application to be a trainee train driver.

Can you advise whether I should do nothing for now whilst I take the interviews, or dispute the result, and if so, how?

Kind regards

 

[Spider1806]

Yeh not bad at all, on the day all down to whatever they're scoring it on but I'd say thats the right ballpark.

really? I hear people making no mistakes and not missing any? But I am still missing the odd one here and there worried to be fair mate?

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Yeh not bad at all, on the day all down to whatever they're scoring it on but I'd say thats the right ballpark.

Also

When you are in the 2 mins and you go the next line and timer stops surely people miss dots then because you don’t know when the timer will get to two mins if you get me?

You can’t do say 11 lines and then not continue to 12 and timer stops?

So everyone must miss dots on that final few seconds?

 

[NSEWonderer]

really? I hear people making no mistakes and not missing any? But I am still missing the odd one here and there worried to be fair mate?

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Also

When you are in the 2 mins and you go the next line and timer stops surely people miss dots then because you don’t know when the timer will get to two mins if you get me?

You can’t do say 11 lines and then not continue to 12 and timer stops?

So everyone must miss dots on that final few seconds?

Wouldn't over think it but personally I did aim to finish the line I was on and not start a new one if I had little time left. Depending on the day usually the timer is put on a screen display at the front of the assessement center or you're given verbal warning of the last few seconds.

You just do what you can do, logically I do think they'll know to ignore the last line as they can't exactly say you've missed any if there is no proof of you starting the next line after it.

Omissions as I understand can only be done if you've moved to the next column or row of dots superseding the mistake/missed dot in question, if there is nothing you've marked after it then you've not missed anything.

 

[Spider1806]

Wouldn't over think it but personally I did aim to finish the line I was on and not start a new one if I had little time left. Depending on the day usually the timer is put on a screen display at the front of the assessement center or you're given verbal warning of the last few seconds.

You just do what you can do, logically I do think they'll know to ignore the last line as they can't exactly say you've missed any if there is no proof of you starting the next line after it.

Omissions as I understand can only be done if you've moved to the next column or row of dots superseding the mistake/missed dot in question, if there is nothing you've marked after it then you've not missed anything.

Thank you, I know you have passed, was you making zero omissions? how many lines?

 

[NSEWonderer]

Thank you, I know you have passed, was you making zero omissions? how many lines?

12 -13 lines on the day, no omissions. Was able to count with time I had spare on each set of 2min rounds. Wouldn't advise doing so. Keep it simple and do what you can.

 

[Spider1806]

12 -13 lines on the day, no omissions. Was able to count with time I had spare on each set of 2min rounds. Wouldn't advise doing so. Keep it simple and do what you can.

You said the dots are bigger and there is less compared to the print outs you get from group bourdon didn't you?

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Also going back to the test where you here high and low sounds

Is there a very distinctive difference between the tones when counting the levels?

 

[atruetennisfan]

Better off getting someone you know to hold up some photos of streets with traffic, pedestrians etc and then remove them after 1 second. Better than paying for relatively the same thing.

I agree. It’s better to practice the format of the test which is probably the best way to practice. Also, the photos that will be displayed during the test will be new to you. It can be difficult to practice for a real life scenario on this particular test unlike the Group Bourdon. Good luck.

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really? I hear people making no mistakes and not missing any? But I am still missing the odd one here and there worried to be fair mate?

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Also

When you are in the 2 mins and you go the next line and timer stops surely people miss dots then because you don’t know when the timer will get to two mins if you get me?

You can’t do say 11 lines and then not continue to 12 and timer stops?

So everyone must miss dots on that final few seconds?

That’s not how the scoring works. They mark up to the last checked box. It’s the same for everyone so everyone has the same advantage or disadvantage. It’s perfectly fair.

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Ok, thanks. I have just found out today that I have passed the Stage 2 tests to the other TOC's standard, so next stage is the interview. Happy days!

Congrats.

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Hi there

I have been practising daily and I am getting to 11 lines with no actual mistakes

But say missing one one 2 lines out of 11

Is this fairly good?

You’ll pass on this. Difficult to say if you’ll get enhanced because there is no one enhanced standard. Different TOC’s can have different pass levels.

 

[Spider1806]

There are plenty of safety-critical railway staff who are diabetics. As with everything, as long as it is managed well and explained clearly at the medical, you should be OK.

Hi All

I am Type 1 Diabetic - had it for 24 years, sugar levels controlled, sugar levels on my phone, physically fit, blood pressure etc all perfect

On my application that was successful it did not ask anything about diabetes - should I be sending an email to disclose it? As no questions have been asked yet

Is Diabetes Type 1 accepted?

Yes you can be. It is something to discuss at a medical - if you reach that stage. As long as it is controlled and managed it should all be OK.

Is this across all companies?

No where on the application does it ask if you are Diabetic now, should we be disclosing it or waiting for medical?

I have had diabetes for 24 years, controlled, type 1

 

[Horizon22]

Hi All

I am Type 1 Diabetic - had it for 24 years, sugar levels controlled, sugar levels on my phone, physically fit, blood pressure etc all perfect

On my application that was successful it did not ask anything about diabetes - should I be sending an email to disclose it? As no questions have been asked yet

Is Diabetes Type 1 accepted?


Is this across all companies?

No where on the application does it ask if you are Diabetic now, should we be disclosing it or waiting for medical?

I have had diabetes for 24 years, controlled, type 1

This wouldn't come up at the application stage. This only comes up once you have a medical, which would be a conditional offer.

Some say it's a bit unfair if you've made it all the way through to then fail or something that you could have been pre-warned about (and hence not bothered about the application) but that's the way it goes sadly.

Anyway as I said earlier, Type 1 diabetes well managed will be fine.

 

[Spider1806]

This wouldn't come up at the application stage. This only comes up once you have a medical, which would be a conditional offer.

Some say it's a bit unfair if you've made it all the way through to then fail or something that you could have been pre-warned about (and hence not bothered about the application) but that's the way it goes sadly.

Anyway as I said earlier, Type 1 diabetes well managed will be fine.

thank you for that mate, yes everyone keeps saying it will be fine provided its controlled etc

I have seen a couple of people on here say they have passed medical even though type 1 so can be done

 

[Goddstop]

I have been invited to Stage 2 testing at OPC for Vienna Test System, Situational Judgement Exercise and Multimodal Interview.

I completed and passed all of these tests for another company only 6 weeks ago. Would I need to do them again? Are these tests measured at both National and Enhanced level?

Is this for WMT by any chance?
I have also sat and passed everything once plus enhance testing for another TOC. I’m currently in 2 talent pools, just waiting for courses to start.

I’m unsure whether I should go to the OPC and resit these tests just in case I were to fail on something the second time round and ruin my chances altogether!

 

[Spider1806]

For the cable and dials test, in case it helps anyone, I recently passed TRP 2 on assessment day. I was very confident that all 17-18 dials were correct. It's definitely about accuracy as well as speed. I'll have to find out from OPC if it was an Enhanced or National, but it was fine for C2C, who I was told have a higher mark.

Hope it helps anyone stressing or waiting for a result, wondering if it's down to that on TRP2 like I was, and good luck!

I can't help but state how important it is to go to the assessments with a calm mind. I booked a hotel the day before the assessments, took time to find the hotel where the assessments would take place, and relaxed. On the day of the assessments, the Elizabeth line was down, and I would have missed the start time or just barely made it, albeit with traveling worries on the mind, which isn't good. I even managed to have breakfast at the hotel, which again helped.

I had practiced Group Bourdon all week. In my opinion, it's worth only practicing one testing round every day. There are 5 sheets over 10 minutes, and the Group Bourdon tool is what you use to print these practice tests out.

I went from 9 lines and 3 omissions to, by the last day, 11-12 lines and 0 to 1 omissions. On the day of the test, it was much clearer, only about 16 lines down, and the 4 dots were quite obvious to see, in my opinion. I completed 11 on 2 sheets and 12 on the remaining 3, able to see that by counting the remaining rows I hadn't done every sheet. Each sheet is 2 minutes duration, and you have 5 sheets to complete to make up 10 minutes total time for the Group Bourdon. You work from the top of the sheet from left to right as you work your way down. No other movement of working should be conducted if you want the best chance of passing.

The next assessment was TRP 1. This test was my favorite and is comprehension; we had a page on the train's braking system. You're read out the info as well as given time to read and make notes on the page of info. What I aimed to do was pick out specific data, especially numerical data, and wrote that on the notes.

I felt very confident on the 18 questions, being asked about things from the Brake Bar Pressure numbers to the color of certain buttons, etc. A few questions you could have had an educated guess. I found I finished that and had quite a bit of time to read over my answers. The only number 18 I may have been a tad unsure of, as it could have been two answers in my head.

TRP2 was the assessment I was confident in, but later, after it was done, I was quite worried, as I was confident that my answers were correct but unsure if I had done enough, as many were saying they had answered above 20 questions, some even 30. It also says that you would not be marked down for incorrect answers, which compounded my doubts, but I passed.

You're given 4 dials with priority sections and numbers. You have 7 minutes to answer 43 of these questions. You're also given 3 practice questions to get to grips with it. It's easy once you understand the concept, and the invigilators are very helpful. I got 2 of the 3 practice runs correct the first time, thinking I had all 3 right, but it turned out I accidentally marked the wrong answer for question 3, which was beside the one I had correctly found. So I assume that's why I slowed down during the real test to be more thorough.

The test started, and I worked quite quickly in my head. However, I was shocked at how quickly the time went, and before I knew it, the time was up. It felt to me like 2 minutes when it was really the full 7 minutes.

I would honestly say how I could have improved, and a tip would be to try and work out the first 3 priorities, and then the 4th should be common sense instead of trying to check all 4. You could also use your notes to work out the first 3 for about 10 questions, then quickly mark the box of the correct answer for each question.

Last of the day was TEA-OCC, the test I was worried truly before assessment day. I had used practice tests and the audios on those were rapid. I used railtest, I got better each day. On that app it also made the part 3(where you do both the phone book stage and tones) quite hard as you had to differentiate between high and low tones plus on the phone book the rating, area code and if its a tailor or restaurant etc. In the real test you didn't do such extremes as on part 3, it was one single tone plus you only need to find double symbols(XX OO ■■ for example) I completed the whole phone book with the time given between each question asking about the number of tones.

Parts 1 and 2, in my opinion, already are well covered on this forum, so I won't elaborate too much on them. However, Part 2's phone book is identical to Part 3's phone book in that you're simply searching for double symbols. Disregard any other information as it serves as a distraction, such as area codes, ratings, etc. Just concentrate on the double symbols. The invigilator clarified that all phonebook numbers on the sheet belong to the same service, meaning all plumbers, all restaurants, all clinics, etc. There is only one service on the A3 sheet!! Don't bother to double check for any differences as this happened to someone on the day and they ended up finding out too late.

Part 2 and 3 with the phone books you should be working from up to down for each column moving across. No other movement should be conducted to have the best chance of passing.

Pay attention and ask questions if confused. All the assessments had practice of some sort before the real test began and this was a time to ask for help and correction before the real test. We had helpful Invigilators. Remember it's too late once you've started the real questions.

Good luck and hopefully this is legible enough for those reading!

Main Computer Tests Breakdown: Vienna Test System

How long ago did you do these tests?

 

[CreswellSig]

Is this for WMT by any chance?
I have also sat and passed everything once plus enhance testing for another TOC. I’m currently in 2 talent pools, just waiting for courses to start.

I’m unsure whether I should go to the OPC and resit these tests just in case I were to fail on something the second time round and ruin my chances altogether!

Yes, this was for WMT. I was also worried about ruining my chances with another company by failing the tests second time round.

I contacted them to explain my situation and they confirmed that I do not need to do Stage 2 testing. Just wait for the next stage, which is the interviews.

 

[Goddstop]

Yes, this was for WMT. I was also worried about ruining my chances with another company by failing the tests second time round.

I contacted them to explain my situation and they confirmed that I do not need to do Stage 2 testing. Just wait for the next stage, which is the interviews.

Oh that’s good news! I’ll contact them and see what they say before I commit to cancelling!

Good luck!

 

[Ffstu107]

The tool for dot test produces rows of 25, anyone have any idea how many are in each row at the OPC?
having a couple of practices Ive got to 989 cells in the 5 pages with 3 omissions and one mistake which on paper id have corrected as i knew id done it as soon as I clicked. Not even sure how this compares to the average?

 

[Spider1806]

The tool for dot test produces rows of 25, anyone have any idea how many are in each row at the OPC?
having a couple of practices Ive got to 989 cells in the 5 pages with 3 omissions and one mistake which on paper id have corrected as i knew id done it as soon as I clicked. Not even sure how this compares to the average?

I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts, I am doing 5 x 2 min tests daily getting to 12 lines (25 in a row) probably committing 2 omissions on each test (no mistakes missing 2 4 dots) - But I guess I am getting to 1500 cells

 

[Ffstu107]

I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts, I am doing 5 x 2 min tests daily getting to 12 lines (25 in a row) probably committing 2 omissions on each test (no mistakes missing 2 4 dots) - But I guess I am getting to 1500 cells

if you're doing the full 10 minutes in one go and getting anything above 1000 cells with only 2 omissions then you'll easily pass, most people report around 8-9 lines and you're hitting 12

 

[Spider1806]

if you're doing the full 10 minutes in one go and getting anything above 1000 cells with only 2 omissions then you'll easily pass, most people report around 8-9 lines and you're hitting 12

No I get probably 2 omissions every 12/13 lines

So over the 10 mins probably 10 omissions

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For the cable and dials test, in case it helps anyone, I recently passed TRP 2 on assessment day. I was very confident that all 17-18 dials were correct. It's definitely about accuracy as well as speed. I'll have to find out from OPC if it was an Enhanced or National, but it was fine for C2C, who I was told have a higher mark.

Hope it helps anyone stressing or waiting for a result, wondering if it's down to that on TRP2 like I was, and good luck!

I can't help but state how important it is to go to the assessments with a calm mind. I booked a hotel the day before the assessments, took time to find the hotel where the assessments would take place, and relaxed. On the day of the assessments, the Elizabeth line was down, and I would have missed the start time or just barely made it, albeit with traveling worries on the mind, which isn't good. I even managed to have breakfast at the hotel, which again helped.

I had practiced Group Bourdon all week. In my opinion, it's worth only practicing one testing round every day. There are 5 sheets over 10 minutes, and the Group Bourdon tool is what you use to print these practice tests out.

I went from 9 lines and 3 omissions to, by the last day, 11-12 lines and 0 to 1 omissions. On the day of the test, it was much clearer, only about 16 lines down, and the 4 dots were quite obvious to see, in my opinion. I completed 11 on 2 sheets and 12 on the remaining 3, able to see that by counting the remaining rows I hadn't done every sheet. Each sheet is 2 minutes duration, and you have 5 sheets to complete to make up 10 minutes total time for the Group Bourdon. You work from the top of the sheet from left to right as you work your way down. No other movement of working should be conducted if you want the best chance of passing.

The next assessment was TRP 1. This test was my favorite and is comprehension; we had a page on the train's braking system. You're read out the info as well as given time to read and make notes on the page of info. What I aimed to do was pick out specific data, especially numerical data, and wrote that on the notes.

I felt very confident on the 18 questions, being asked about things from the Brake Bar Pressure numbers to the color of certain buttons, etc. A few questions you could have had an educated guess. I found I finished that and had quite a bit of time to read over my answers. The only number 18 I may have been a tad unsure of, as it could have been two answers in my head.

TRP2 was the assessment I was confident in, but later, after it was done, I was quite worried, as I was confident that my answers were correct but unsure if I had done enough, as many were saying they had answered above 20 questions, some even 30. It also says that you would not be marked down for incorrect answers, which compounded my doubts, but I passed.

You're given 4 dials with priority sections and numbers. You have 7 minutes to answer 43 of these questions. You're also given 3 practice questions to get to grips with it. It's easy once you understand the concept, and the invigilators are very helpful. I got 2 of the 3 practice runs correct the first time, thinking I had all 3 right, but it turned out I accidentally marked the wrong answer for question 3, which was beside the one I had correctly found. So I assume that's why I slowed down during the real test to be more thorough.

The test started, and I worked quite quickly in my head. However, I was shocked at how quickly the time went, and before I knew it, the time was up. It felt to me like 2 minutes when it was really the full 7 minutes.

I would honestly say how I could have improved, and a tip would be to try and work out the first 3 priorities, and then the 4th should be common sense instead of trying to check all 4. You could also use your notes to work out the first 3 for about 10 questions, then quickly mark the box of the correct answer for each question.

Last of the day was TEA-OCC, the test I was worried truly before assessment day. I had used practice tests and the audios on those were rapid. I used railtest, I got better each day. On that app it also made the part 3(where you do both the phone book stage and tones) quite hard as you had to differentiate between high and low tones plus on the phone book the rating, area code and if its a tailor or restaurant etc. In the real test you didn't do such extremes as on part 3, it was one single tone plus you only need to find double symbols(XX OO ■■ for example) I completed the whole phone book with the time given between each question asking about the number of tones.

Parts 1 and 2, in my opinion, already are well covered on this forum, so I won't elaborate too much on them. However, Part 2's phone book is identical to Part 3's phone book in that you're simply searching for double symbols. Disregard any other information as it serves as a distraction, such as area codes, ratings, etc. Just concentrate on the double symbols. The invigilator clarified that all phonebook numbers on the sheet belong to the same service, meaning all plumbers, all restaurants, all clinics, etc. There is only one service on the A3 sheet!! Don't bother to double check for any differences as this happened to someone on the day and they ended up finding out too late.

Part 2 and 3 with the phone books you should be working from up to down for each column moving across. No other movement should be conducted to have the best chance of passing.

Pay attention and ask questions if confused. All the assessments had practice of some sort before the real test began and this was a time to ask for help and correction before the real test. We had helpful Invigilators. Remember it's too late once you've started the real questions.

Good luck and hopefully this is legible enough for those reading!

Main Computer Tests Breakdown: Vienna Test System

Dials test - did you complete all 43 questions?

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The dials test guys - 43 questions - who completes that?

 

[andreeachitanu]

How do verify how many lives I have left to become a train driver

I have been told by the TOC that I was unsuccessful for the first assessment centre I took for the Train Driver role.
I failed on OCC & DFFT.
Also along with the email I have being told it was my second time to be unsuccessful for the assessment for Train Driver role .

I have asked more info because that was the first attempt for sitting at the assessment centre for Train Driver role.


And I have got a reply that previously I was unsuccessful on March 2020 at TRP1. But this application was for the Shunter role .


Is the information correct ? Even if you sit for assessment centre for a diferent position it counts as Driver Assessment ? In my case I was there for the Shunter role.

 

[NSEWonderer]

The Shunter / Depot Driver and Mainline Trainee Driver roles use the same Psychometrics and will indeed count to your two lives.

You've mentioned failing trp1 in 2020 for the shunter which is part of the national standard(the minimum level set as a standard to meet by the governing body for potential drivers) and also OCC which I assume you mean Tea OCC, again another test in the main standard.

Had it just been Trp1 and the DFFT, then you'd have essentially 1 life left, providing it's with a TOC that doesn't use the DFFT.

 

[andreeachitanu]

I’m very confused about the 2 live rules.
From what I heard it’s not the same test failed twice and also it was a different role I applied for

 

[NSEWonderer]

I’m very confused about the 2 live rules.
From what I heard it’s not the same test failed twice and also it was a different role I applied for

If the TOC / OPC have said it was your second time failing the psychometrics then they'll have the correct information to say so, as you've stated. Whilst a shunter driver is different to a mainline trainee driver, they both still sit the same psychometrics as they're both still require the same skills and abilities that are tested for with the psychometrics. Trp1 and Tea-OCC are two tests that form the the minimum standard that must be met by an Applicant(National). Every TOC uses these two unlike VSE And in your case the DFFT which are additional tests and form what is classed in some TOCs as Enhanced level.

Without going to far into detail, you've unfortunately got to wait till either assessments change nationally again in such a way that lives get reset(this hasn't happened for a decade or so now) or potentially an additional life is added (which was being discussed at some point).

 

[darlo]

Is anyone still waiting for a medical in Darlington? I passed my tests back in March but have heard nothing since!

 

[wyatt97]

Hi,

I have just passed a psychometric test for a new driver post for LNER, I am currently awaiting to hear a date for my medical.

I am generally fit and well and have no medical conditions and take no medication. However over 5 years ago I had a vasovagal/simple faint and was taken to hospital where I was investigated by neurology who stated I had a one of vasovagal syncope due to contributing factors which were : not eating and drinking properly prior to a long run/ being jetlagged from a long haul flight. As stated this has never happened prior/ since and I am overall fit and well.

Just wondering if this is something that will be included in the driver medical and something that will likely lead me to failing the medical examination?

Thank you