SWR Class 458 to be retained

[elbows47]

458503 was last out on 23.08.24

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458514 had a vehicle transported by road to Brodies for corrosion repairs on 28.06.24

 

[mansonlo49]

458503 was last out on 23.08.24

Realtime Trains | 2J98 2359 Hampton Court to Wimbledon | 23/08/2024

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458514 had a vehicle transported by road to Brodies for corrosion repairs on 28.06.24

thanks，will 458514 go directly to widnes or back swr first？

 

[wickham]

thanks，will 458514 go directly to widnes or back swr first？

Only I car of 514 has gone to Brodie Kilmarnock, the other 4 are sitting behind East Wimbledon depot. This just might turn out to be the last unit to go ?

 

[Goldfish62]

Seems that the last 458 Reading line diagram (0739 from Reading etc) has reverted to 455 operation as of today, bringing all-day 455 operation back to Mon-Fri services.

 

[swtrains]

Will need to wait a couple of days to see if it's a permanent change, but I believe they have been moved in place the 707s absence.

 

[TEW]

Seems that the last 458 Reading line diagram (0739 from Reading etc) has reverted to 455 operation as of today, bringing all-day 455 operation back to Mon-Fri services.

That is back to being booked 455 this week.

 

[swr444]

Seems that the last 458 Reading line diagram (0739 from Reading etc) has reverted to 455 operation as of today, bringing all-day 455 operation back to Mon-Fri services.

I do wonder what the logic is of having 3 sets of 450s on the suburban stuff instead of on the reading diagrams

 

[Siemens Staines]

I do wonder what the logic is of having 3 sets of 450s on the suburban stuff instead of on the reading diagrams

Today there are only 2 sets of 450s on metro services. The third pair are on the Windsor peaks diagram that had reverted to 458/5, but there are only 3 pairs of 458/5 in use today. But maybe that is booked now?

The real problem seems to be with the 458/4 diagrams. Since being increased to 10 diagrams (5 pairs), there have at most only been 8 units in use (4 pairs) at any one time. This morning it is 6 units (3 pairs) plus a lot of cancellations.

 

[swr444]

Today there are only 2 sets of 450s on metro services. The third pair are on the Windsor peaks diagram that had reverted to 458/5, but there are only 3 pairs of 458/5 in use today. But maybe that is booked now?

The real problem seems to be with the 458/4 diagrams. Since being increased to 10 diagrams (5 pairs), there have at most only been 8 units in use (4 pairs) at any one time. This morning it is 6 units (3 pairs) plus a lot of cancellations.

I think it’s down to driver availability as barely anyone from Waterloo has been trained on them so far, plus one or two faults no doubt

 

[WarrenTManager]

Will need to wait a couple of days to see if it's a permanent change, but I believe they have been moved in place the 707s absence.

2D90 usually a 10.707 turn, was 10.458 today.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I think it’s down to driver availability as barely anyone from Waterloo has been trained on them so far, plus one or two faults no doubt

I think it may well be both crew and unit issues. I did also see planning error given as a reason for their cancellations on Friday. This should be the same unit diagram, but two different reasons are given for the cancellation which does suggest that there may be more than one underlying problem.

02/09/24 11:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
02/09/24 12:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 14:08 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

I do know that since the diagram for the 5th pair commenced on 27/08, that only 8 different 458/4 have worked passenger services in the week since.

 

[SWT_USER]

I think it may well be both crew and unit issues. I did also see planning error given as a reason for their cancellations on Friday. This should be the same unit diagram, but two different reasons are given for the cancellation which does suggest that there may be more than one underlying problem.

02/09/24 11:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
02/09/24 12:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 14:08 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

I do know that since the diagram for the 5th pair commenced on 27/08, that only 8 different 458/4 have worked passenger services in the week since.

Looks like similar issues today.

09:22 Waterloo to Weybridge and then the rest of the diagram for the rest of the day cancelled due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time"

Is this a 458/4 diagram? If so I'm surprised that fleet is so stretched they couldn't get another couple of units out. Leaving hour gaps for the Hounslow loop stations which had a 15 minute service not so long ago isn't great. We keep being told passenger numbers aren't back to pre COVID levels but it's hardly surprising given the quality of the service.

 

[Goldfish62]

I think it may well be both crew and unit issues. I did also see planning error given as a reason for their cancellations on Friday. This should be the same unit diagram, but two different reasons are given for the cancellation which does suggest that there may be more than one underlying problem.

02/09/24 11:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
02/09/24 12:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 14:08 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

I do know that since the diagram for the 5th pair commenced on 27/08, that only 8 different 458/4 have worked passenger services in the week since.

I'm sure the SWR Random Excuse Generator is used at times. A couple of weeks ago on Journeycheck a late evening Alton service was showing as cancelled in advance that morning due trespassers on the line (just to be clear - there no trespassers being reported at the time).

 

[43096]

I'm sure the SWR Random Excuse Generator is used at times. A couple of weeks ago on Journeycheck a late evening Alton service was showing as cancelled in advance that morning due trespassers on the line (just to be clear - there no trespassers being reported at the time).

Yesterday’s excuse for late departure of the 1750 Waterloo-Reading was “a short notice change to the timetable”. In reality they were desperately trying to find a train to resource it, settling on using a pair of 455s from platform 15 off the late-running 1746 Guildford arrival. That after advertising it as “Wait P20-24”.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Is this a 458/4 diagram? If so I'm surprised that fleet is so stretched they couldn't get another couple of units out. Leaving hour gaps for the Hounslow loop stations which had a 15 minute service not so long ago isn't great. We keep being told passenger numbers aren't back to pre COVID levels but it's hardly surprising given the quality of the service.

Indeed, the is all the same 458/4 diagram and was pre cancelled yesterday evening.

Train Cancellations
06:48 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 07:31
07:45 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 09:12
09:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 10:38
11:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:26
12:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 14:08
14:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 15:56
16:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 17:45
18:10 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 19:26
19:37 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 20:15
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:03/09/2024 16:56

At that time, a second entire 458/4 diagram was posted on journeycheck to be cancelled today, but it it was subsequently reinstated. So far, there have not been more than 4 pairs (8 units) in service at the same time since their number of diagrams were increased to 5 pairs (10 units), over a week ago.

One of the three remaining 458/5 diagrams is also short-formed to a single unit today.

07:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 07:42
07:53 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 08:33
08:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 10:02
10:45 Guildford to London Waterloo due 11:55
12:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 12:42
12:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 13:31
13:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 15:02
15:28 Guildford to London Waterloo due 16:46
17:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 17:44
17:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 18:31
18:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 20:11
20:45 Guildford to London Waterloo due 21:55
22:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 22:42
22:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 23:31
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:04/09/2024 05:34

 

[Goldfish62]

Indeed, the is all the same 458/4 diagram and was pre cancelled yesterday evening.

Train Cancellations
06:48 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 07:31
07:45 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 09:12
09:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 10:38
11:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:26
12:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 14:08
14:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 15:56
16:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 17:45
18:10 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 19:26
19:37 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 20:15
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:03/09/2024 16:56

At that time, a second entire 458/4 diagram was posted on journeycheck to be cancelled today, but it it was subsequently reinstated. So far, there have not been more than 4 pairs (8 units) in service at the same time since their number of diagrams were increased to 5 pairs (10 units), over a week ago.

One of the three remaining 458/5 diagrams is also short-formed to a single unit today.

07:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 07:42
07:53 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 08:33
08:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 10:02
10:45 Guildford to London Waterloo due 11:55
12:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 12:42
12:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 13:31
13:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 15:02
15:28 Guildford to London Waterloo due 16:46
17:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 17:44
17:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 18:31
18:54 London Waterloo to Guildford due 20:11
20:45 Guildford to London Waterloo due 21:55
22:06 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 22:42
22:54 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 23:31
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:04/09/2024 05:34

Yesterday the 1750 Waterloo to Reading was a single 458/5 in place of a pair of 455s, which looked to have been moved to a Hampton Court service in place of a pair of 458/5s.

Maybe that pair of 707s shouldn't go just yet....

 

[LUYMun]

8503, 8533, 8519 and 8502 sighted in service yesterday, and probably today too.

 

[43096]

Yesterday the 1750 Waterloo to Reading was a single 458/5 in place of a pair of 455s, which looked to have been moved to a Hampton Court service in place of a pair of 458/5s.

It wasn’t, it was a pair of 455s as I was on it! God knows what they were doing.

Maybe that pair of 707s shouldn't go just yet....

Agreed.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I'm sure the SWR Random Excuse Generator is used at times. A couple of weeks ago on Journeycheck a late evening Alton service was showing as cancelled in advance that morning due trespassers on the line (just to be clear - there no trespassers being reported at the time).

Perhaps they've got a Crystal Ball.(oooer)

 

[swr444]

8503, 8533, 8519 and 8502 sighted in service yesterday, and probably today too.

8530 and 8536 out today too

 

[Class450/4DES]

I'm sure the SWR Random Excuse Generator is used at times. A couple of weeks ago on Journeycheck a late evening Alton service was showing as cancelled in advance that morning due trespassers on the line (just to be clear - there no trespassers being reported at the time).

Just why... -_-

 

[Siemens Staines]

Some better news with the 458/4 diagrams today. Despite 2V05 0648 Hounslow - Waterloo being cancelled, the diagram was commenced with 2R11 0745 Waterloo - Waterloo. 2R07 0717 Twickenham - Waterloo had been cancelled, but was VSTP reinstated. Therefore, for the first time, there are actually five pairs of 458/4 in use this morning.

The former 2*707 diagram is again a 5-car 458 today (458503). The non appearance of 458502 since Tuesday may indicate that it is next in line to make its way to Widnes next week. But, I could be putting two and two together and getting five.

 

[mansonlo49]

Some better news with the 458/4 diagrams today. Despite 2V05 0648 Hounslow - Waterloo being cancelled, the diagram was commenced with 2R11 0745 Waterloo - Waterloo. 2R07 0717 Twickenham - Waterloo had been cancelled, but was VSTP reinstated. Therefore, for the first time, there are actually five pairs of 458/4 in use this morning.

The former 2*707 diagram is again a 5-car 458 today (458503). The non appearance of 458502 since Tuesday may indicate that it is next in line to make its way to Widnes next week. But, I could be putting two and two together and getting five.

So just down to 4 (02, 03, 14, 19) waiting for refurbishment is that right? Thanks

 

[TEW]

Up to 6 pairs diagrammed next week, hopefully goes a bit better than the increase from 4 to 5. There has been a change to one of the current diagrams too so I'll list them all.

2R90 0531 Hounslow to Waterloo
2S09 0622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S18 0802 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S45 1522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V55 1837 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R03 0615 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S13 0722 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S22 0903 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V43 1537 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R49 1715 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S75 2252 Waterloo to Weybridge

2V05 0648 Hounslow to Waterloo
2R11 0745 Waterloo to Waterloo via Twickenham and Brentford
2S21 0922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S30 1103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S35 1252 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S44 1433 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S49 1622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S58 1810 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V59 1937 Waterloo to Hounslow

2R05 0647 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S15 0752 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S24 0933 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S29 1122 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S38 1303 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S43 1452 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S52 1633 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V53 1807 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R07 0717 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S17 0822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S26 1003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S31 1152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S40 1333 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V41 1507 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R47 1645 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S57 1822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S66 2003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S71 2152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S80 2333 Weybridge to Staines

2S07 0522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S16 0733 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V17 0907 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S27 1052 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S36 1233 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S41 1422 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S50 1603 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V51 1737 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S61 1922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S70 2103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S79 2352 Waterloo to Hounslow

 

[Goldfish62]

Up to 6 pairs diagrammed next week, hopefully goes a bit better than the increase from 4 to 5. There has been a change to one of the current diagrams too so I'll list them all.

2R90 0531 Hounslow to Waterloo
2S09 0622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S18 0802 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S45 1522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V55 1837 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R03 0615 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S13 0722 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S22 0903 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V43 1537 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R49 1715 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S75 2252 Waterloo to Weybridge

2V05 0648 Hounslow to Waterloo
2R11 0745 Waterloo to Waterloo via Twickenham and Brentford
2S21 0922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S30 1103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S35 1252 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S44 1433 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S49 1622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S58 1810 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V59 1937 Waterloo to Hounslow

2R05 0647 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S15 0752 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S24 0933 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S29 1122 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S38 1303 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S43 1452 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S52 1633 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V53 1807 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R07 0717 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S17 0822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S26 1003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S31 1152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S40 1333 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V41 1507 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R47 1645 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S57 1822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S66 2003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S71 2152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S80 2333 Weybridge to Staines

2S07 0522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S16 0733 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V17 0907 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S27 1052 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S36 1233 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S41 1422 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S50 1603 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V51 1737 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S61 1922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S70 2103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S79 2352 Waterloo to Hounslow

Many thanks for the update.

 

[A60stock]

Sorry, very late to the party here but read up that SWR dropped the plans to use the 458s on the Portsmouth Direct line.

So what is the point of this refurbishment then?

 

[SWT_USER]

Sorry, very late to the party here but read up that SWR dropped the plans to use the 458s on the Portsmouth Direct line.

So what is the point of this refurbishment then?

SWR have left themselves badly short of rolling stock due to the 701 fiasco. It's either introduce the 458/4 to limit the reductions in capacity on the Windsor side or (more) planned cancellations.

 

[DelW]

Sorry, very late to the party here but read up that SWR dropped the plans to use the 458s on the Portsmouth Direct line.

So what is the point of this refurbishment then?

SWR have left themselves badly short of rolling stock due to the 701 fiasco. It's either introduce the 458/4 to limit the reductions in capacity on the Windsor side or (more) planned cancellations.

Plus SWR had apparently signed up to a refurbishment contract with extremely onerous cancellation clauses. At one stage when there was no perceived need for the /4s, it looked as though the newly refurbished trains would be stored for the minimum duration of their lease, then scrapped unused.

 

[Andy1673]

Up to 6 pairs diagrammed next week, hopefully goes a bit better than the increase from 4 to 5. There has been a change to one of the current diagrams too so I'll list them all.

2R90 0531 Hounslow to Waterloo
2S09 0622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S18 0802 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S45 1522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V55 1837 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R03 0615 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S13 0722 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S22 0903 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V43 1537 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R49 1715 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S59 1852 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S68 2033 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S75 2252 Waterloo to Weybridge

2V05 0648 Hounslow to Waterloo
2R11 0745 Waterloo to Waterloo via Twickenham and Brentford
2S21 0922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S30 1103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S35 1252 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S44 1433 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S49 1622 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S58 1810 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V59 1937 Waterloo to Hounslow

2R05 0647 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S15 0752 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S24 0933 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S29 1122 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S38 1303 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S43 1452 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S52 1633 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V53 1807 Waterloo to Twickenham

2R07 0717 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S17 0822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S26 1003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S31 1152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S40 1333 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V41 1507 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R47 1645 Waterloo to Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S57 1822 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S66 2003 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S71 2152 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S80 2333 Weybridge to Staines

2S07 0522 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S16 0733 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V17 0907 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S27 1052 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S36 1233 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S41 1422 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S50 1603 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V51 1737 Waterloo to Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2S61 1922 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S70 2103 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S79 2352 Waterloo to Hounslow

 

[TEW]

The stock related alterations have likely not been uploaded to RTT yet. The 701 diagram is unchanged from next week. What I posted are the 458/4 diagrams. Based on how many have actually ran the past two weeks I am not guaranteeing they will all run, but on paper they are booked 458/4.

The new peak additional Monday-Thursday at 0752 from Surbiton to Waterloo is also booked to start on Monday.