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UK rail minister got engineer sacked for raising safety concerns

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Hourly Birmingham, hourly Manchester, 2 hourly Liverpool, 2 hourly Glasgow. And didn't the overground ones go into Broad Street?
Only peak hour extras. Off peak was Euston to Watford, as now, and Broad Street to Richmond - 3 per hour I think. And as well as the Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow expresses, there were locals - what are now LNW services. Certainly more than six in total.
 
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They didn't sack him until after Hendy had left Network Rail. So if the issue was specifically Hendy, one wonders why when Hendy went away they didn't just conclude their investigation, issue Dennis with a formal warning, let him come back to work and move on? Unless they feared he would use his new position to direct Network Rail to carry out his earlier threat?
The most likely explanations being that either they were fed up with him anyway and liked having the cover to get rid of him, or because it wasn't just a Hendy thing and they didn't think the incoming management would enjoy the criticism any more than Hendy did.
 

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They specifically hired him because of that record. It was all written into his contract he'd have this media role. They also had no issues with the comments until Hendy made his unethical intervention.
If they couldn't see the potential for damage to their business from such an individual then they are utterly idiotic. They clearly haven't done any form of due diligence on his social media postings.
 

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The most likely explanations being that either they were fed up with him anyway and liked having the cover to get rid of him, or because it wasn't just a Hendy thing and they didn't think the incoming management would enjoy the criticism any more than Hendy did.
I don't think it could be any more obvious these are false. For a start:
Michelle Flint, Discipline Lead (Systems) at SYSTRA, said: “All of us in the team are extremely proud of Gareth. His warm personality and depth of knowledge together with his ambition for the rail sector have allowed him to make a real impact since joining SYSTRA a few months ago.


“The YRP Distinguished Service award is well deserved and acknowledges his remarkable journey so far and his above and beyond contribution to the rail industry. We are privileged to have Gareth in our Signature Team at SYSTRA and will enjoy supporting his growth and watching him blossom further still.”

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He's a member of the House of Lords - he can't stand for Parliament at all.
I think it's a quote about Dennis, not Hendy.
 

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We don't know the exact process that led to Dennis' dismissal though. If Systras immediate solution was to attempt to get rid of Dennis, then clearly that's an overreaction. It could be that Dennis was given other options first such as reducing media appearances or avoiding discussing Network Rail which may have been refused.

I think you're over-reading (with some element of hindsight) the contents of Hendy's letter - at no point does it call for the sacking of Dennis.

There were multiple options open to Systra which would have enabled Dennis to remain and employee and for Network Rail to remain a customer of theirs. A simple "We would like to confirm that Mr Dennis was not acting as a representative of Systra UK when he made the comments to the media. We have reminded Mr Dennis of the additional responsibilities he holds as an employee around talking to the media and he has agreed to ensure that he will ensure that future comment will be clearly marked as being his personal opinion and not that of his employers" - would probably have been enough to satisfy Hendy / Network Rail. I would be amazed if discussions along those lines weren't attempted by Systra - however, I'm also not surprised that it ended up with him being sacked for gross misconduct.

These types of incident happen all the time, normally involving social media. A verbal reminder is the normal result. To end up with a sacking suggests there was more to the follow up than has been reported.

The first thing that - according to the public domain - was a non-disclosure agreement. This was rejected by Dennis and then ultimately was sacked for gross misconduct.

To be honest, it seems rather extreme to even get that far, but there may have been lower level disciplinary processes & discussions before this point which somehow escalated.

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I think it's a quote about Dennis, not Hendy.

Was more a comment/joke on Wolmar standing in Richmond Park for Labour, (and other occasions) which is a no-hope seat for them.
 

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It's looking like Mr Dennis has lots of media contacts and knows how to make full use of them.
Methinks the apparently egotistical Hendy will hate the next week or so..... Just wait until the tabloids start on the sex worker story.....

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We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Systra must be pretty dumb not to have looked at Dennis's record of shouting his gob off before employing him - they should have known they were playing with fire.

NR are completely within their rights to want Systra to deal with him.
NR or more accurately a certain arrogant egotist are NOT within their rights to threaten a business potentially contrary to public procurement legislation though.... Methinks a parliamentary committee will be all over that.
 

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The first thing that - according to the public domain - was a non-disclosure agreement. This was rejected by Dennis and then ultimately was sacked for gross misconduct.

To be honest, it seems rather extreme to even get that far, but there may have been lower level disciplinary processes & discussions before this point which somehow escalated.
I don't see Dennis being the kind of person to accept constraints on what he can do. To be honest this seems like a case of two massive egos clashing given Dennis reaction since the news broke e.g. releasing merchandise about the incident. I still think a sacking was extreme but, given Dennis' personality, it doesn't surprise me that it got to that situation.
 

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The Times headline today "Rail industry minister accused of misconduct"...

This isn't going away...
 

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I suspect the writing is on the wall for Lord Hendy and quite rightly. Very disappointing for the industry as I felt with him in the DfT the new GBR model had the best chance of success.

Although Gareth having merchandise about it in the form of mugs isn't spectacularly classy either.
 

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I suspect the writing is on the wall for Lord Hendy and quite rightly. Very disappointing for the industry as I felt with him in the DfT the new GBR model had the best chance of success.

Although Gareth having merchandise about it in the form of mugs isn't spectacularly classy either.
Balanced.
 

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Having been mildly reprimanded (verbally) by my employer on a couple of occasions for putting things on social media when I shouldn't have done, I took the hint and wound my neck in. I now just don't do it. If Gareth Dennis is reading this, which is quite possible, my advice to him would be that no matter how right you think you are, and no matter how angry you are about a given issue, putting career-limiting stuff into the public domain isn't generally worth it. It's there for eternity. Fight your fights from within the system, that's what I say. Seek to positively influence rather than throwing bricks from the outside. It took me a while to learn this. He's a 31-year old Engineer with a young family, from what I've read, who was doing very well in his career, and the prospect of having thrown all that away, despite the public show of defiance in recent days, is probably quite a worry for him and his family. It sounds like he's at the stage of his life where a bit of friendly, sage advice from older, wiser heads might have been useful.
 

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'Who will rid me of this troublesome priest' a recipe down the years for dealing with criticism.

Upthread, someone referred to the Challenger tragedy. Folk must be empowered and encouraged to speak truth to power, however uncomfortable to receive.

Organisations should have published Whistleblowing Policies.

The letter from Peter Hendy on 14 May (post #31) is addressed as Chair of Network Rail. On 8 July 2024 he was appointed to Keir Starmer's new Labour government as a minister of state in the Department for Transport. Did the Chair not tyake advice from those around him? A bold decision ...

Parliament resumes next week; The MP for Holborn and St Pancras, which IIUC includes Euston Station, will be accountable to 'the country', including I imagine PMQs on Wednesday. Saftey at one of the nation's busiest stations and behaviour of government ministers must surely be matters worthy of question.

The Nolan Principles are important, and I imagine will be wished to be seen to be upheld in government and by public servants generally.
What Dennis did wouldn't be covered under any form of whistleblowing policy.
 

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Why does everyone keep talking about social media? As far as I can tell, the situation has nothing to do with social media. Gareth Dennis spends a lot of time on his social media but the specific comments at issue were given to a journalist for the Independent.
 

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It sounds like he's at the stage of his life where a bit of friendly, sage advice from older, wiser heads might have been useful.

Anyone offering such advice over the last 24 hours on twitter has been called a "bootlicking rube" or similar by him.
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Systra must be pretty dumb not to have looked at Dennis's record of shouting his gob off before employing him - they should have known they were playing with fire.

NR are completely within their rights to want Systra to deal with him.

Fully agreed.

This scenario was entirely predictable,
including by the person sacked. Exactly the same would happen to any one of us if we went online and started openly criticising our employers or their clients and, in a railway context, accusing them of being unsafe has a special significance.

I don’t think Hendy can reasonably be criticised for wanting to protect his organisation’s reputation in his capacity of head of NR.

Methinks the apparently egotistical Hendy will hate the next week or so..... Just wait until the tabloids start on the sex worker story.....

It does sound rather BBC-esque doesn’t it…

Having been mildly reprimanded (verbally) by my employer on a couple of occasions for putting things on social media when I shouldn't have done, I took the hint and wound my neck in. I now just don't do it. If Gareth Dennis is reading this, which is quite possible, my advice to him would be that no matter how right you think you are, and no matter how angry you are about a given issue, putting career-limiting stuff into the public domain isn't generally worth it. It's there for eternity. Fight your fights from within the system, that's what I say. Seek to positively influence rather than throwing bricks from the outside. It took me a while to learn this. He's a 31-year old Engineer with a young family, from what I've read, who was doing very well in his career, and the prospect of having thrown all that away, despite the public show of defiance in recent days, is probably quite a worry for him and his family. It sounds like he's at the stage of his life where a bit of friendly, sage advice from older, wiser heads might have been useful.

This is sage advice for most people, of course, but rather assumes Gareth Dennis didn’t know exactly what he was doing here.
 

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I don’t think Hendy can reasonably be criticised for wanting to protect his organisation’s reputation in his capacity of head of NR.
arguably, his and NR's reputation has been far more adversely impacted by these actions than a throwaway remark in a news story ever did - especially one that had a factual basis given the regulator was taking an interest in Euston overcrowding

it is quite literally a textbook example of the Streisand effect.
 

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Why does everyone keep talking about social media? As far as I can tell, the situation has nothing to do with social media. Gareth Dennis spends a lot of time on his social media but the specific comments at issue were given to a journalist for the Independent.
Fair point. I was talking more generally about Gareth Dennis saying stuff 'in the public domain', which as you say in this case was some comments to a journalist rather than specifically something on social media.

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Anyone offering such advice over the last 24 hours on twitter has been called a "bootlicking rube" or similar by him.
Oh dear....

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arguably, his and NR's reputation has been far more adversely impacted by these actions than a throwaway remark in a news story ever did - especially one that had a factual basis given the regulator was taking an interest in Euston overcrowding

it is quite literally a textbook example of the Streisand effect.
Agreed that, on balance, Network Rail / Peter Hendy have come out of this with more reputational damage than Gareth Dennis.
 

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arguably, his and NR's reputation has been far more adversely impacted by these actions than a throwaway remark in a news story ever did - especially one that had a factual basis given the regulator was taking an interest in Euston overcrowding

it is quite literally a textbook example of the Streisand effect.

It’s surprising Hendy didn’t just pick the phone up, rather than sending a letter and leaving a paper trail, as I think was commented up thread.
 

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I watch Gareth's livestreams and despite agreeing with a lot of what he says; he has a way of being rather annoying about it and he seems to have a bit of a large ego. I'm not surprised it was him that got into a dispute like this.
 

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Anyone offering such advice over the last 24 hours on twitter has been called a "bootlicking rube" or similar by him.
He might as well carry on - he’s completely unemployable in the railway industry anyway.
 

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What are the realistic chances of Gareth Dennis getting another job in the Railway industry? In other words, how is his career going to be affected?
Well, the chances are a lot less than if he hadn't whinged to The Independent and any other media outfit that listened to his breathless hyped-up description of events. Nobody with any sense in the railway business is now going to look at such an applicant.

One hopes he doesn't also have a family to support.
 

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GD’s engineering career won’t be finished by this but I suspect that subsequent employers might not entertain his parallel universe.
 

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I watch Gareth's livestreams and despite agreeing with a lot of what he says; he has a way of being rather annoying about it and he seems to have a bit of a large ego. I'm not surprised it was him that got into a dispute like this.
Agreed. Several people I speak to have noted that as well. When he started doing his Youtube stuff, his style was tolerable, but as he's become more popular he does seem to have become more arrogant and belligerent. Shame really. Other railway podcasters e.g. Green Signals seem to generally strike the balance between having the expertise and being a little bit humble with it.
 

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Well, the chances are a lot less than if he hadn't whinged to The Independent and any other media outfit that listened to his breathless hyped-up description of events.
That itself is a bit hyperbolic isn't it? He said Euston is unsafe during times of disruption when it gets really busy. I don't travel through Euston very often personally, but I've definitely seen other people on this forum and also on social media say very similar things.
 

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his breathless hyped-up description of events.
Sorry but you've made similar comments a few times now but I fail to see what part of what he said is "hyped up" or anything similar.

Remember this is what he said, when specifically talking about Euston station during periods of disruption when multiple services are delayed or cancelled:
you’re talking about thousands of people squished into that space. It’s not just uncomfortable, it’s not just unpleasant, it’s unsafe.

Which bit of that do you disagree with or thing is "hyped up"?

Sure by all means there is a discussion to be had about if he should be speaking to the media / making comments in public, but to claim what he said is "hyped up" seems to suggest you have no idea what the Euston scrum can be like at its worst.
 

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When I was working for NR I was actively involved on a high profile project which was very much in the public eye. We were actually being watched by passengers as the work was going on. We were told that any questions asked by the public were to be directed to the comms team. Not easy when small children and families were doing the asking. I had the opportunity to meet Peter Hendy and asked him his thoughts, his reply was " Don't say anything that will bring the company into disrepute but if we are doing something that should be celebrated then by all means let people know" His stance from them until now doesn't seem to have changed.
 

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Agreed. Several people I speak to have noted that as well. When he started doing his Youtube stuff, his style was tolerable, but as he's become more popular he does seem to have become more arrogant and belligerent. Shame really. Other railway podcasters e.g. Green Signals seem to generally strike the balance between having the expertise and being a little bit humble with it.
Its a good example of what an internet echo-chamber can do to someone with good intentions
 
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