Cottam Parkway - Compulsory Purchase Orders Confirmed, Station To Be Built

[Baxenden Bank]

The article refers to the County Council approving the use of Compulsory Purchase Powers, not the granting of such powers. I doubt that has been achieved since December 2020. Informal consultation, consider and respond, formal consultation, consider and respond, seek powers from DCLG, possible inquiry (if objections), await Inspector's report, consideration of report by DCLG, issue decison to council, allow time for negotiations / people to arrange alternative accommodation etc.

The threat of the use of CP powers can bring people to the negotiating table, equally it can make them dig in because they like a good scrap - even if they know they will probably lose in the end.

 

[PR1Berske]

When the UCLan sports centre was built and the start of building the Cottam estates there was talk at the time of building a new station off Tom Benson Way.
Not surprising it never happened.

Talk goes back a long time. The first mention I recall was in 1994.

 

[Cowley]

Reopened for @GRALISTAIR to post an update…

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Well it is almost certain this is going ahead. Consulations finish end of January 2022. When I last was home in Preston from the USA I did not recognize the area. Literally THOUSANDS of houses going up. New station needed. The only question remains - "Will it be at the expense of Salwick?".

You Can Help Shape Plans For New Railway Station In North-West Preston - Preston Hub

People are encouraged to give their views to shape plans for a new railway station in north-west Preston, which will improve access to work and leisure opportunities.Cottam Parkway is a proposed new railway station on the north-west side of Preston, on the Blackpool to Preston railway line. A...

theprestonhub.co.uk

 

[Whistler40145]

Well it is almost certain this is going ahead. Consulations finish end of January 2022. When I last was home in Preston from the USA I did not recognize the area. Literally THOUSANDS of houses going up. New station needed. The only question remains - "Will it be at the expense of Salwick?".

You Can Help Shape Plans For New Railway Station In North-West Preston - Preston Hub

People are encouraged to give their views to shape plans for a new railway station in north-west Preston, which will improve access to work and leisure opportunities.Cottam Parkway is a proposed new railway station on the north-west side of Preston, on the Blackpool to Preston railway line. A...

theprestonhub.co.uk

I wonder how Salwick manages to stay open, presumably few passengers from the nearby Nuclear establishment and not much habitation in the surrounding area

 

[Bletchleyite]

I wonder how Salwick manages to stay open, presumably few passengers from the nearby Nuclear establishment and not much habitation in the surrounding area

They could put on a shuttle bus from the new station and it would offer a wider choice of train times, so I can't see Salwick surviving. (It can't really be Parly-ed as it pretty much already is).

 

[Baxenden Bank]

I wonder how Salwick manages to stay open, presumably few passengers from the nearby Nuclear establishment and not much habitation in the surrounding area

Because of the money, time and effort required to close a station. Even with one passenger per year it would remain open until something came along requiring either massive expenditure or a justification for closure eg structural failure of footbridge, alternative new station nearby. The service would be reduced to proper 'parliamentary' levels ie one per week and the station would bumble along, forever, with occasional visits to collect tumbleweed from the platform.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Because of the money, time and effort required to close a station. Even with one passenger per year it would remain open until something came along requiring either massive expenditure or a justification for closure eg structural failure of footbridge, alternative new station nearby. The service would be reduced to proper 'parliamentary' levels ie one per week and the station would bumble along, forever, with occasional visits to collect tumbleweed from the platform.

For example Cottam Parkway?

 

[Llandudno]

Does it take as long to close a station if a relatively adjacent station is replacing it, such as when Upton by Chester was replaced by Bache, Liverpool South Parkway replaced Garston or Filton Junction was replaced with Filton Abbey Wood.?

There must be numerous other examples?

 

[Baxenden Bank]

For example Cottam Parkway?

Exactly. I guess Salwick will survive as long as the workers at the nearby factory use it. Perhaps they could go for a 'conditional closure' ie Cottam Parkway opens, Salwick closes as a public station but remains as an IBM style private stop, which can cease to be served without further process. Locals would leak into the station to use it but would have no recourse if the factory closed or ceased to require a service. I doubt the legislation allows for such an approach though - perhaps full closure, then a 'new' Westinghouse Fuels Halt opens the following day?

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I wonder how Salwick manages to stay open, presumably few passengers from the nearby Nuclear establishment and not much habitation in the surrounding area

It could be reduced to a request stop and even then only the first or last service of the day calls there, I can't imagine any other way that the services levels could be reduced to parliamentary.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Exactly. I guess Salwick will survive as long as the workers at the nearby factory use it. Perhaps they could go for a 'conditional closure' ie Cottam Parkway opens, Salwick closes as a public station but remains as an IBM style private stop, which can cease to be served without further process. Locals would leak into the station to use it but would have no recourse if the factory closed or ceased to require a service. I doubt the legislation allows for such an approach though - perhaps full closure, then a 'new' Westinghouse Fuels Halt opens the following day?

There aren't really any locals to use it. The people of Clifton-with-Salwick and Newton-with-Scales will use the 61 (half hourly) and 68 (every 15 minutes) buses that go through the villages, or drive. Other than the works it is about as useful as Swanbourne and probably never really served a public transport purpose for locals, it would have been more "take your produce from Lancashire market gardening to it with your horse and cart to be picked up on the daily freight for market".

If you work it out, there appear to be 4 daily commuters (annual usage of about 1600, divided by about 200 working days per year, divided by 2 for outward and return journey). Not really of much value; they could arrange to take a shared taxi from Cottam or Kirkham, or perhaps keep a pushbike at one or the other (along the canal from Cottam would probably be pleasant enough).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Because of the money, time and effort required to close a station. Even with one passenger per year it would remain open until something came along requiring either massive expenditure or a justification for closure eg structural failure of footbridge, alternative new station nearby. The service would be reduced to proper 'parliamentary' levels ie one per week and the station would bumble along, forever, with occasional visits to collect tumbleweed from the platform.

Many people wonder how long that particular derelict-looking footbridge at Ardwick station (another station with a most limited service) will still be standing for.

 

[Whistler40145]

Does the Speller Act still exist that was used for the closure of the original Corby Station?

 

[pdeaves]

Does the Speller Act still exist that was used for the closure of the original Corby Station?

I believe the concept does, but is superseded by some other legislation (don't know what, though!).

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Many people wonder how long that particular derelict-looking footbridge at Ardwick station (another station with a most limited service) will still be standing for.

The Ardwick Footbridge comes up a lot. I'm sure, given that it has public access and sits astride some 25Kv wires, that it is structurally sound, if a little scruffy looking. The alternatives - of the fizz bang flash variety, would not go unnoticed by regulators and insurers.

But, as at Norton Bridge, the footbridge being condemned and removed would be a reason to cease serving that station. A rail replacement bus service offered whilst going through closure proceedings.

Polesworth remains half open having had its footbridge removed.

 

[The exile]

I believe the concept does, but is superseded by some other legislation (don't know what, though!).

And didn’t that only apply to reopened stuff ( ie it allowed semi- experimental services to start without the worry of complicated closure procedures if they bombed)

 

[Whistler40145]

Could Salwick be relegated to request stop status instead of going for complete closure?

 

[LOL The Irony]

The only question remains - "Will it be at the expense of Salwick?".

Unless a plan for a few hundred new houses near the station comes to pass and is approved, most likely.

They could put on a shuttle bus from the new station and it would offer a wider choice of train times, so I can't see Salwick surviving. (It can't really be Parly-ed as it pretty much already is).

The question then comes of who pays for it? The railway? The nuclear site? The council? Some or all 3? If the nuclear site is made to pay, they'll probably say there's a station right there, we're not paying for a bus. The council could go either way.

It could be reduced to a request stop and even then only the first or last service of the day calls there, I can't imagine any other way that the services levels could be reduced to parliamentary.

Could Salwick be relegated to request stop status instead of going for complete closure?

This will probably be what happens. It's cheaper than closing it or keeping the current service, whilst keeping the nuclear site happy.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I wonder do the 4 daily commuters all use the same train, or is it one train each with two on one of them?

(Three stop in each direction around what I guess are shift change times)

 

[pdeaves]

And didn’t that only apply to reopened stuff ( ie it allowed semi- experimental services to start without the worry of complicated closure procedures if they bombed)

Yes, experimental opening. Notices have to appear in various newspapers, for example, to state that the rules apply to this new station/service. You can't retrospectively apply it to places already open/existing services. Horden and Warrington West opened under the legislation but (as far as I can tell) Soham didn't (so we're stuck with Soham but the other two could close before the designation runs out).

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Yes, experimental opening. Notices have to appear in various newspapers, for example, to state that the rules apply to this new station/service. You can't retrospectively apply it to places already open/existing services. Horden and Warrington West opened under the legislation but (as far as I can tell) Soham didn't (so we're stuck with Soham but the other two could close before the designation runs out).

Which would seem to be rather a waste of £10.5m and £20.5m respectively if they did close. But given current throwing £bn into the COVID wind it is small change I suppose.

 

[Cowley]

A new update from @GRALISTAIR on its way.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Well there were problems with the builder and land sale but it is now back on track. The Lancashire Evening Post has the details.

Full steam ahead for new Preston railway station after land deal struck

Plans for a new railway station in suburban Preston are back on track after a wrangle over the land needed to build it was resolved.

www.lep.co.uk

Plans for a new railway station in suburban Preston are back on track after a wrangle over the land needed to build it was resolved.

It comes two months after a proposed development of almost 300 homes in the vicinity of the long-awaited Cottam Parkway stop was blocked by councillors.

Preston City Council’s planning committee had refused the Story Homes application, a key element of which involved the sale to Lancashire County Council – for just £1 – of a parcel of land that will form part of the forthcoming station site.

However, its members have now given the green light to the dwellings, off Lea Road, after a deal was struck to ensure funding for the new school places that may be required as a result. The developer had previously argued that its 281-home scheme – to be split into two estates either side of the railway line – would be financially unviable if the firm was forced to meet all of the cash and in-kind contributions demanded by local planning policies.

 

[Codville]

I'm glad the land issue of this project has been sorted but has there been any funding allocated to construct the station?

It'd be pretty useful (service pattern permitting) for me since I live around a mile from the proposed station site, would save the trip into Preston.

 

[weepingwillowb]

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I'm glad the land issue of this project has been sorted but has there been any funding allocated to construct the station?

It'd be pretty useful (service pattern permitting) for me since I live around a mile from the proposed station site, would save the trip into Preston.

Yes. I will post a link later.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Yes, effectively the proposed platforms start where the Lea Road platforms ended. I posted a link to a relevant Lancashire CC document to the new stations thread,


.

Is that former Lea Road station site area served by buses and if so, what are they.

 

[Lampshade]

Is that former Lea Road station site area served by buses and if so, what are they.

The 48 stops near it: https://www.prestonbus.co.uk/bus-services/48/

 

[Some guy]

I’m guessing Salwick will be closed once this station opens and anyone for westinghousing power plant will be required to use cottam parkway