Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[444045]

There‘s one diagram that is going back to Eastleigh this afternoon which 701 is it please

5Q86 15+39 Long Marston To Eastleigh Depot departed 129 late with 69010/701518/701524.

Train terminated at Worcester at 1835 - 135 late with an unknown fault on the train which prevented it travelling any further.

 

[mansonlo49]

701518/24 Reported elsewhere

HTH

thanks

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5Q86 15+39 Long Marston To Eastleigh Depot departed 129 late with 69010/701518/701524.

Train terminated at Worcester at 1835 - 135 late with an unknown fault on the train which prevented it travelling any further.

some fault perhaps the loco？

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q86 1224 Worcester T.C. to Eastleigh Trsmd | 01/08/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q86 1224 departure from Worcester T.C. to Eastleigh Trsmd on 01/08/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Some quite big news, SWR social media confirms phased introduction (aka the proper rollout) to start late summer/early autumn, the first written timeframe since 2022! (to my knowledge)

(https://x.com/robertkwild/status/1818984007872160185)

 

[Lockwood]

And the usual reply to that? All together now... "They didn't say which summer/autumn"

 

[OneTrackMinded]

And the usual reply to that? All together now... "They didn't say which summer/autumn"

Gave me a good laugh.

 

[Mikey C]

They're waiting for the temperatures to drop outside, before bringing in the cool airconditioned trains...

 

[Snow1964]

And the usual reply to that? All together now... "They didn't say which summer/autumn"

Good comment based on previous form

On a serious note Autumn 2024 officially runs from 22nd Sept to 21st Dec, so if take early autumn as first half, could be as late as first week of November.

Of course a from date, gives no indication of completion of introduction date.

 

[Goldfish62]

Good comment based on previous form

On a serious note Autumn 2024 officially runs from 22nd Sept to 21st Dec, so if take early autumn as first half, could be as late as first week of November.

Of course a from date, gives no indication of completion of introduction date.

Would make sense given that new stock introductions elsewhere have generally been around three months after the start of training.

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They're waiting for the temperatures to drop outside, before bringing in the cool airconditioned trains...

Assuming it's still Windsor first they'll be replacing existing air-conditioned trains.

 

[43096]

Good comment based on previous form

On a serious note Autumn 2024 officially runs from 22nd Sept to 21st Dec, so if take early autumn as first half, could be as late as first week of November.

Of course a from date, gives no indication of completion of introduction date.

Informed Sources‘ Third Law applies… “Always mistrust schedule based on the seasons.”

 

[OneTrackMinded]

When this rollout does begin, I wonder how many diagrams they'll be able to begin from the get-go? Training started this week, with the course being 10 days. I've got no clue as to how many drivers can go on one course, although I did read 9 somewhere a long time ago - may no longer be accurate with the changes that have occurred over the past few months. I'm assuming multiple courses can't run at once. The current timeframe we have at the moment is late summer/early autumn, so it depends on how many they can train up before that date comes around

Other factors to consider include rolling stock availability - an awful lot of 701s are parked up in sidings across the country, some haven't been under their own power in years.

I'm aware there's a minimum amount of drivers required for each diagram in case of one is unavailable, although not sure what this number is. Obviously there are enough of the current lot to run 1 diagram at once with the current setup.

 

[swr444]

Only 2 drivers have been trained this week, with it ramping up the next few weeks

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Only 2 drivers have been trained this week, with it ramping up the next few weeks

I assume those 2 drivers aren't fully trained yet since it's only been 5 days since Monday when the training started.

 

[swr444]

I assume those 2 drivers aren't fully trained yet since it's only been 5 days since Monday when the training started.

Well yes, I’m just letting you know what the situation is

 

[Goldfish62]

Only 2 drivers have been trained this week, with it ramping up the next few weeks

Thanks for the update.

 

[73128]

I thought Labours idea of GBR and operator of last resort (nationalisation in all but name) is to do it free of cost and liabilities.

Why would they want to take on 455 lease payments in May 2025 if they have to pick up class 701 lease payments. There is likely to be a cost to novate any leases (and I thought based on what they have said that they don't intend to spend to take over an operator).

Would have thought this would be good incentive to not use any 455s after May 2025, especially if that is date leases expire, and lease co could charge hefty extension fee.

since the 455s will go for scrap, any extension at the current leasing rate is better than nothing to the leasing company even for a short period. I can't imagine that either side would want to have the trouble of negotiating anything else.

 

[DCtrains]

For those whining about no air conditioning on SW suburban…

 

[Kite159]

For those whining about no air conditioning on SW suburban…

Luxury for Chessington South

I knew I wasn't seeing things on Saturday when I passed a pair of 450s with Chessington South as the destination

 

[OneTrackMinded]

For those whining about no air conditioning on SW suburban…

I'll add though that the AC fails on 450s a lot. Often it's a case where one unit of the pair doesn't have it so you have to move to the other one. Happened to me twice in the past week.

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New article from the RAIL magazine further confirming that Driver Training has begun. Interestingly they mention 8 days for the course instead of the widely known 10, I assume a misunderstanding on their part.

SWR begins Arterio driver training

Driver training has finally started on South Western Railway’s long-delayed fleet of 90 Class 701 Arterio trains.

www.railmagazine.com

 

[Bigfoot]

New article from the RAIL magazine further confirming that Driver Training has begun. Interestingly they mention 8 days for the course instead of the widely known 10, I assume a misunderstanding on their part.

SWR begins Arterio driver training

Driver training has finally started on South Western Railway’s long-delayed fleet of 90 Class 701 Arterio trains.

www.railmagazine.com

The article also states SWR are running 455/6 to fill in for the delayed Arterio. A 456 hasn't run on SWR for over 2 and a half years.

SWR has continued to operate a mixed suburban fleet of Class 455/6 and Class 458 trains to fill the timetable where the Arterios had been planned.

Mr Clifton needs to pay a little more attention

 

[mansonlo49]

The article also states SWR are running 455/6 to fill in for the delayed Arterio. A 456 hasn't run on SWR for over 2 and a half years.

Mr Clifton needs to pay a little more attention

sadly all 456 scrapped

 

[Olivine]

The article also states SWR are running 455/6 to fill in for the delayed Arterio. A 456 hasn't run on SWR for over 2 and a half years.

Mr Clifton needs to pay a little more attention

as in 455/6, the type number, not 456.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

as in 455/6, the type number, not 456.

There's no such thing as a 455/6

 

[800001]

I'll add though that the AC fails on 450s a lot. Often it's a case where one unit of the pair doesn't have it so you have to move to the other one. Happened to me twice in the past week.

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New article from the RAIL magazine further confirming that Driver Training has begun. Interestingly they mention 8 days for the course instead of the widely known 10, I assume a misunderstanding on their part.

SWR begins Arterio driver training

Driver training has finally started on South Western Railway’s long-delayed fleet of 90 Class 701 Arterio trains.

www.railmagazine.com

If they have said 8 days, I presume that is either that the press release to them said, or what they have been told by a source at SWR.

 

[boiledbeans2]

Luxury for Chessington South

I knew I wasn't seeing things on Saturday when I passed a pair of 450s with Chessington South as the destination

Does "Luxury" for you mean a peaceful and quiet ride? Or....

All Aboard The Noisy Carriage…Destination: Chessington World Of Adventures!

backstage.merlinentertainments.biz

 

[Stephen42]

When this rollout does begin, I wonder how many diagrams they'll be able to begin from the get-go? Training started this week, with the course being 10 days. I've got no clue as to how many drivers can go on one course, although I did read 9 somewhere a long time ago - may no longer be accurate with the changes that have occurred over the past few months. I'm assuming multiple courses can't run at once. The current timeframe we have at the moment is late summer/early autumn, so it depends on how many they can train up before that date comes around

Other factors to consider include rolling stock availability - an awful lot of 701s are parked up in sidings across the country, some haven't been under their own power in years.

I'm aware there's a minimum amount of drivers required for each diagram in case of one is unavailable, although not sure what this number is. Obviously there are enough of the current lot to run 1 diagram at once with the current setup.

To introduce more diagrams at once requires more staff trained and will take longer to get to that level. Most rollouts are very gradual, it keeps the gap between unit and training rollout smaller, helps ensure drivers trained earlier don't need to do refreshes and avoids large stock reshuffles when diagrams change over. At a guess the first step might be between 1 and 3 diagrams on the Windsor line. Early autumn is only a couple of months so relatively few drivers will be trained which will limit what is possible.

The current setup gives 1 diagram with 10 hours outside depots, it's possibly inefficient as the crews might only work those services in the shift and not reduce the required crew diagrams in the main pool by the same amount. If that was the case, a priority might be to get regular drivers to take over to allow the current crews to cover regular shifts and free up more drivers for training. If it wouldn't make much difference could keep as is and look to take on further diagrams instead.

From an outsider perspective on the other Windsor line unit diagrams, one looks to go from Feltham Depot stables at Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings between peaks and comes out again returning to Feltham Depot at end of day. Another starts and ends at Feltham Depot working only Windsor line services. Those seem reasonable candidates as allows stock to rotate around and Feltham has fewer trains starting at weekends. Weekend workings often start much later as diagrams change more frequently and less flexibility to get a trained driver to work a specific crew diagram. The other two seem more complex in the permanent timetable as one starts at Windsor itself and ends up Staines C.H.S with another unit doing the reverse making unit rotation harder plus a need to be in service at weekends. It's possible with some alterations they could switch over smoothly and which ones make more sense crew wise is hard to tell without knowing the crew diagrams.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

To introduce more diagrams at once requires more staff trained and will take longer to get to that level. Most rollouts are very gradual, it keeps the gap between unit and training rollout smaller, helps ensure drivers trained earlier don't need to do refreshes and avoids large stock reshuffles when diagrams change over. At a guess the first step might be between 1 and 3 diagrams on the Windsor line. Early autumn is only a couple of months so relatively few drivers will be trained which will limit what is possible.

The current setup gives 1 diagram with 10 hours outside depots, it's possibly inefficient as the crews might only work those services in the shift and not reduce the required crew diagrams in the main pool by the same amount. If that was the case, a priority might be to get regular drivers to take over to allow the current crews to cover regular shifts and free up more drivers for training. If it wouldn't make much difference could keep as is and look to take on further diagrams instead.

From an outsider perspective on the other Windsor line unit diagrams, one looks to go from Feltham Depot stables at Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings between peaks and comes out again returning to Feltham Depot at end of day. Another starts and ends at Feltham Depot working only Windsor line services. Those seem reasonable candidates as allows stock to rotate around and Feltham has fewer trains starting at weekends. Weekend workings often start much later as diagrams change more frequently and less flexibility to get a trained driver to work a specific crew diagram. The other two seem more complex in the permanent timetable as one starts at Windsor itself and ends up Staines C.H.S with another unit doing the reverse making unit rotation harder plus a need to be in service at weekends. It's possible with some alterations they could switch over smoothly and which ones make more sense crew wise is hard to tell without knowing the crew diagrams.

Thanks for the insight

 

[Goldfish62]

To introduce more diagrams at once requires more staff trained and will take longer to get to that level. Most rollouts are very gradual, it keeps the gap between unit and training rollout smaller, helps ensure drivers trained earlier don't need to do refreshes and avoids large stock reshuffles when diagrams change over. At a guess the first step might be between 1 and 3 diagrams on the Windsor line. Early autumn is only a couple of months so relatively few drivers will be trained which will limit what is possible.

The current setup gives 1 diagram with 10 hours outside depots, it's possibly inefficient as the crews might only work those services in the shift and not reduce the required crew diagrams in the main pool by the same amount. If that was the case, a priority might be to get regular drivers to take over to allow the current crews to cover regular shifts and free up more drivers for training. If it wouldn't make much difference could keep as is and look to take on further diagrams instead.

From an outsider perspective on the other Windsor line unit diagrams, one looks to go from Feltham Depot stables at Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings between peaks and comes out again returning to Feltham Depot at end of day. Another starts and ends at Feltham Depot working only Windsor line services. Those seem reasonable candidates as allows stock to rotate around and Feltham has fewer trains starting at weekends. Weekend workings often start much later as diagrams change more frequently and less flexibility to get a trained driver to work a specific crew diagram. The other two seem more complex in the permanent timetable as one starts at Windsor itself and ends up Staines C.H.S with another unit doing the reverse making unit rotation harder plus a need to be in service at weekends. It's possible with some alterations they could switch over smoothly and which ones make more sense crew wise is hard to tell without knowing the crew diagrams.

Very interesting, thanks. And makes perfect sense recalling how other new stock roll-outs have gone.

 

[mansonlo49]

Hello, is there anyone know which one is this thanks

 

[800001]

Hello, is there anyone know which one is this thanks

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