First West Yorkshire & York discussion

[stevenedin]

Only 3 months after being transferred from Manchester as well. I’m glad no one got hurt.

 

[JD2168]

Thankfully the driver & passengers on 37447 were unharmed & safe after this awful incident.

Unsurprisingly there are a number of diversions on services that serve that part of Harehills in the evenings for today & tomorrow from both First Leeds & Transdev on the X98 & X99.

 

[158756]

Thankfully the driver & passengers on 37447 were unharmed & safe after this awful incident.

Unsurprisingly there are a number of diversions on services that serve that part of Harehills in the evenings for today & tomorrow from both First Leeds & Transdev on the X98 & X99.

It's a pretty long list of diversions:

Services affected: 4, 4F, 12, 13, 13A, 16, 16A, 42, 49, 50, 50A, 61, 61A, 91, X98 and X99
Buses are diverting from Compton Road, Foundry Approach, Harehills Lane and Roundhay Road due to incident until further notice.

That's not a full list of the roads being avoided, by the looks of it there's no service between the A64 and Chapeltown Road as far out as Oakwood Lane.

First diversions are from 2pm, Transdev all day and the X98/99 aren't stopping at all until Red Hall (though it appears they were going as far in as Oakwood Clock earlier).

 

[leedslad82]

So first are introducing some extra 72's between leeds and Bradford. Lots of press as it will mean a 24 hr service.

 

[Resuwen]

As a visitor to Leeds recently I was shocked by how many ancient vehicles First Leeds runs - some still with visible signs of where the Manchester branding has been peeled off.

First’s standard of presentation can be really poor at times.

 

[dodecahedron67]

36638, 36639 and 36641 Leeds Electrics are on loan to York for the week. These had not yet entered service in Leeds, so are being used in York as their first service work

 

[Ken H]

How many buses have Leeds lost due to fires recently now? Also how are these fires affecting the Leeds fleet? Have they got enough slack in the fleet to cover these missing vehicles and what plans if any are there to replace the vehicles lost due to the various fires?

Do first insure their buses. I am sure underwriters will be calculating the increased risk and adding it to premiums. But maybe they self insure.
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But what will happen when an expensive new electric bus is burned, rather than on old bus.what happens about funding a replacement?

I was concerned to see the public chucking buckets of water on the burning bus. I know it was a diesel but are buckets of water safe chucked on a bettery vehicle fire?

Bit surprised unions are not refusing to take buses into volatile areas. But trouble can suddenly erupt as we saw in Southport. So difficilt to manage.

 

[Andyh82]

As a visitor to Leeds recently I was shocked by how many ancient vehicles First Leeds runs - some still with visible signs of where the Manchester branding has been peeled off.

First’s standard of presentation can be really poor at times.

These have only just been drafted in in recent months when it was decided to withdraw all the B5LH Hybrids

 

[mlambeuk]

First york have uploaded their timetables commencing in September:

Timetables

www.firstbus.co.uk

 

[stevieinselby]

First york have uploaded their timetables commencing in September:

Timetables

www.firstbus.co.uk

And all of the timetables have the weekday journeys triplicated, every single journey is shown three times.
Which I think is probably even worse than anything Arriva have managed on their computer-generated timetables, and that takes some doing.

 

[gc4946]

36638, 36639 and 36641 Leeds Electrics are on loan to York for the week. These had not yet entered service in Leeds, so are being used in York as their first service work

Are they all part of the new batch which are planned to have guide wheels fitted for the 56 service in Leeds? what are the fleet numbers allocated for that group?

 

[dodecahedron67]

All that’s changing is the P&R goes back to non-holiday timetables, and the 11 going round the South Bank loop all day. Nothing else gets any major changes

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Are they all part of the new batch which are planned to have guide wheels fitted for the 56 service in Leeds?

I believe so

 

[Seehof]

This new loop around South Bank, does this replace the Transdev service?

 

[dodecahedron67]

Medium to Long term yes, I'm unsure when the changes to the tendered York services are

 

[Resuwen]

Used the York P and R yesterday. Lovely electric deckers with dual doors - in busy cities we need more of this rather than the UK’s bizarre reluctance to embrace the middle exit model

 

[Leedsbusman]

Used the York P and R yesterday. Lovely electric deckers with dual doors - in busy cities we need more of this rather than the UK’s bizarre reluctance to embrace the middle exit model

York being ‘fortunate’ in not having a bus station which is the main reason most cities can’t accommodate dual door buses these days.

 

[stevieinselby]

York being ‘fortunate’ in not having a bus station which is the main reason most cities can’t accommodate dual door buses these days.

There are plenty of bus stations in London ... you need a different design of bus station to accommodate dual-door buses but it is perfectly possible.

 

[KendalKing]

There are plenty of bus stations in London ... you need a different design of bus station to accommodate dual-door buses but it is perfectly possible.

Agreed.

 

[Leedsbusman]

There are plenty of bus stations in London ... you need a different design of bus station to accommodate dual-door buses but it is perfectly possible.

There are plenty of bus stations compatible with dual door buses in London because dual door buses have been used for 60 years

There are few bus stations comparatively with dual door buses elsewhere because they aren’t common.

It is possible of course - but is it really likely that the considerable rebuilding required would happen?

 

[Ken H]

There are plenty of bus stations compatible with dual door buses in London because dual door buses have been used for 60 years

There are few bus stations comparatively with dual door buses elsewhere because they aren’t common.

It is possible of course - but is it really likely that the considerable rebuilding required would happen?

They were common in Leeds. Single and double deck. The bus stands were adapted for 2 door buses. But Leeds bus station was a very different layout.

 

[GoneSouth]

York being ‘fortunate’ in not having a bus station which is the main reason most cities can’t accommodate dual door buses these days.

No reason why you can’t offload from the front door only at an incompatible bus station and just use the second door when out on the road

Cities without bus stations are very challenging for many bus users. Ask the people of Bradford what they think now theirs is effectively dead.

 

[Ken H]

How do you work a 2 door bus in a DIRO bus stand?
DIRO = Drive in reverse out.

 

[JD2168]

The problem with dual door buses it it reduces the amount of seats downstairs particularly with 2 wheelchair bays now being fitted. For dual doors to be considered a longer wheelbase or tri axle would have to be available.

 

[skyhigh]

How do you work a 2 door bus in a DIRO bus stand?
DIRO = Drive in reverse out.

Unload passengers through the front door, load passengers afterwards in exactly the same way as a single door bus? Unless I'm misunderstanding the question?

 

[Snex]

Dual doors don't work outside London as there's a lot of bus stops which aren't designed for them. GoNorthEast had them on the 21 and they were just confusing since half the stops you couldn't use the middle door. Not to mention the disability issues.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.926...mbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu - Bus stops like this being the problem.

 

[stevenedin]

Dual doors don't work outside London as there's a lot of bus stops which aren't designed for them. GoNorthEast had them on the 21 and they were just confusing since half the stops you couldn't use the middle door. Not to mention the disability issues.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9267083,-1.595084,3a,65.5y,54.67h,84.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sf06EoxmCTIImizc5tLVOdA!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?panoid=f06EoxmCTIImizc5tLVOdA&cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps&w=203&h=100&yaw=340.8824&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu - Bus stops like this being the problem.

They work in Edinburgh fine.

 

[Bungle965]

Let’s bring this thread back onto topic please, if anyone wishes to discuss the right or wrongs of dual doors then please create a new thread.

 

[leedslad82]

Unload passengers through the front door, load passengers afterwards in exactly the same way as a single door bus? Unless I'm misunderstanding the question?

Didn't we have them in leeds a while back. They only used stand 1 in the bus station to unload and then loaded as normal at usual stand. Think they then started unloading on new york street as metro banned them from bus station

 

[YorkRailFan]

Upcoming service changes at First West Yorkshire from 1 September:

Service changes from 1st September

From Sunday 1st September, we're making changes to improve the reliability of our services across West Yorkshire to help you get to where you need to be. Below is a summary of the changes for each area. Leeds: Services: Change: 16

www.firstbus.co.uk

Leeds:

Services:Change:
16

New timetables for Mon-Fri afternoons will be introduced to better coordinate around school services.
47, 47A, 65 and 86

Timetable changes to improve reliability.
74 and 75

Circular Route: Services 74 & 75 will be linked to provide a complete circular route, with 74 operating clockwise and 75 anti-clockwise.
Timetable changes to improve reliability.
Frequency changes: The service between the City Centre, Hunslet, and Middleton will run every hour instead of every 30 minutes. The service between the City Centre, Beeston, White Rose, and Middleton will continue to run every 30 minutes.

Bradford:

Service:Change:
72

Additional overnight journeys added on all days to create a 24 hour, 7 days a week timetable.

Halifax & Huddersfield:

Services:Change:
508

Timetable changes to improve reliability.
521, 522 and 523

Timetable changes between 17:52 - 18:45 on Saturday evenings.
Some journeys will operate under a different service number instead running as 521s.
579 and C14

Timetable changes to improve reliability.
Due to parked car issues, the following changes have been made to the 579 routes:
Sowerby route changes: Will no longer serve Pollit Avenue. It will follow the current route to St Peter’s Avenue, then go directly to Towngate and Rooley Heights, continuing via Stocks Lane and Sowerby New Road to loop back to Sowerby Bridge.
King Cross route changes: Will reroute towards Halifax via Aachen Way and Queens Road, no longer serving bus stop 45023283 on King Cross Road.
Due to A629 roadworks, the C14 morning journeys will now run to Halifax Bus Station and be retimed.
586

Timetable changes to improve reliability and better separate from Transdev 587 journeys.
Due to parked car issues, the King Cross route changes and missed stop will also affect this service (details as above).
590

Will now operate only between Todmorden and Rochdale, running every 60 minutes during peak daytime hours.
592

Operating new Halifax to Burnley service via Todmorden Road, running every 60 minutes during peak daytime hours.
New route between Walk Mill and Burnley via Burnley Road and Todmorden Road.
593

Running every 30 minutes between Halifax and Hebden Bridge during peak daytime hours.
591, 592 and 593

Due to parked car issues, the following change have been made to 591, 592 and 593 services:
Kings Cross route change: Will reroute towards Halifax via Aachen Way and Queens Road, no longer serving bus stop 45023283 on King Cross Road.
When combined, these services (591, 592 and 593) will now run approximately every 15 minutes between Halifax and Hebden Bridge during during peak daytime hours.
323 and 324

The frequency of service 324 will increase to every 15 minutes from every 20 minutes.
Some early morning, evening, and Sunday daytime trips will be updated to run as 323’s. These will follow the same route as the 324, but with an added loop via Moor Lane, Coppice Drive, Falconers Ride, Hawkroyd Bank Road, and Moore Lane in Netherton.

Fantastic news regarding the 72 in Bradford!

 

[WibbleWobble]

Meanwhile the cross-boundary links to/from Rochdale are further eroded.