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UK General Election 2024: The Results & Aftermath

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The Conservative party has introduced a "yellow card" penalty system in an effort to prevent leadership candidates from attacking one another in the media.
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In a press conference, Mr Blackman said "if candidates indulge" in personal attacks "I will get involved obviously to warn them and if necessary, issue a public statement".

"If a yellow card is issued and a statement made to the public and to the members, that a candidate has infringed on the rules, that will be extremely detrimental to their chances of getting elected," he said.

He added he hoped he would not "have to do it" and the threat of a card "would be enough".

Hope they've bought a couple of hundred.
 
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Hope they've bought a couple of hundred.
Knowing certain Tory candidates and the membership, I can see them seeing the cards as a badge of honour in some weird sadist way so deliberately goes out of their way to get more cards and rally their support.
 

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Now that Braverman can't get the necessary signatures (despite her version of non-events) there's a possibility that no-one worse than Truss might emerge, a very low bar admittedly.
No my gal Suella is just waiting. She knows who ever wins will be the new William Hauge, Suella will replace them in a few years and be the new IDS.
 

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No my gal Suella is just waiting. She knows who ever wins will be the new William Hauge, Suella will replace them in a few years and be the new IDS.
My money's on Farage standing up in Parliament and announcing that Ms Braverman is now the Reform MP for wherever, sitting cosily together and both beaming. 'Suella Braverman defection' is right at the top on Google.
 

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My money's on Farage standing up in Parliament and announcing that Ms Braverman is now the Reform MP for wherever, sitting cosily together and both beaming. 'Suella Braverman defection' is right at the top on Google.

When will Farage be in Parliament? He has much more lucrative things to do.
 

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Government has issued an update and guidance on its new housing policy, and there is bit on proximity to transport

To help deliver 1.5 million homes over the next five years, councils will have to review their green belt land if needed to meet their own target, identifying and prioritising ‘grey belt’ land, which the government has today set out a definition for. This includes land on the edge of existing settlements or roads, as well as old petrol stations and car parks.

The update will make clear the requirement for councils to consider the proximity of new homes to existing transport infrastructure.

Land released in the Green Belt will be subject to the government’s ‘golden rules’, which make clear that development should deliver 50% affordable homes, increase access to green spaces and put the necessary infrastructure is in place, such as schools and GP surgeries.

Alongside building the housing that we need, the government is committed to making it easier to build key infrastructure such as laboratories, gigafactories and data centres, as well as making changes to deliver more large onshore wind projects and solar development across the country.
 

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Encouraging more immigration of working-age people
Every country is having the same demographic transition, eventually you'll run out of other countries people to import. Not to mention it's a very selfish attitude that we can just rely on cheap labour from elsewhere forever and imply they aren't need in their home countries
 

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Not to mention it's a very selfish attitude that we can just rely on cheap labour from elsewhere forever and imply they aren't need in their home countries
Yes, for instance, every Filipino nurse that we import to the UK to backfill for the UK born nurse that either left for Australia having gotten fed up with pay and conditions in the UK (or never existed in the first place considering the lack of training places) is a nurse which isn't available to the Philippine health system and I suspect they have just as much need for them as we do but just can't afford to keep them.
 

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Yes, for instance, every Filipino nurse that we import to the UK to backfill for the UK born nurse that either left for Australia having gotten fed up with pay and conditions in the UK (or never existed in the first place considering the lack of training places) is a nurse which isn't available to the Philippine health system and I suspect they have just as much need for them as we do but just can't afford to keep them.
Maybe though the Filipino economy and families depend a lot on remittences sent back by overseas workers. Overseas workers have a high status there due to the vital part they play in the economy.

My neice spent some time working overseas in S'pore after she graduated as a nurse, though she is back in the Philippines now.
 

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Maybe though the Filipino economy and families depend a lot on remittences sent back by overseas workers. Overseas workers have a high status there due to the vital part they play in the economy.
Very true! It's a complex picture to be sure. The economy does well on the basis of remittances back from overseas workers but does that benefit the health care system more or less from having nurses working in overseas healthcare systems?
 

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To rely on immigration forever also implies we got to keep them countries poorer forever.
We can already kinda see in unsustainabilty of this with Eastern Europeans heading back home across Europe as their economies catch up
 

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Every country is having the same demographic transition, eventually you'll run out of other countries people to import. Not to mention it's a very selfish attitude that we can just rely on cheap labour from elsewhere forever and imply they aren't need in their home countries

I don't think it's "selfish" particularly as a lot of people actually want to emigrate. Should they be forced to remain in their own countries for the benefit of their home countries? There's something very authoritarian and almost "Soviet bloc" about that.

And it isn't "cheap" labour; the minimum wage is the minimum wage, and applies to everyone, not just native-born British.

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We can already kinda see in unsustainabilty of this with Eastern Europeans heading back home across Europe as their economies catch up
I think that's also because the government of the last five years self-evidently didn't want them here. True, they didn't legally have to leave the UK as long as they did the right paperwork, but with all the hostile messaging of the last few years it's little wonder many probably felt unwelcome and some of those returned to their own countries.
 
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I think that's also because the government of the last five years self-evidently didn't want them here.
Obviously freedom of movement ending is a big reason but the same happened in Germany, which is why they created a guest worker program for people from the Balkans. If they catch up a new reserve army of labour gets called up. I think getting rid of the child cap is easier and more moral than ensuring the global south stays poor forever.
 
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I don't think it's "selfish" particularly as a lot of people actually want to emigrate. Should they be forced to remain in their own countries for the benefit of their home countries? There's something very authoritarian and almost "Soviet bloc" about that.

And it isn't "cheap" labour; the minimum wage is the minimum wage, and applies to everyone, not just native-born British.
A pool of people willing to work for the minimum wage or less drags down the average wage in an industry towards that minimum.
As we've seen post-Brexit with things like lorry drivers, employers had to massively increase salaries to get Brits to do those jobs.
 

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My money's on Farage standing up in Parliament and announcing that Ms Braverman is now the Reform MP for wherever, sitting cosily together and both beaming. 'Suella Braverman defection' is right at the top on Google.

This is perhaps why there need to be by-elections if MPs defect.

The people of Fareham and Waterlooville elected a Tory, not a Reformist. Granted many of them knew what Braverman was like, but perhaps some did not or were so loyal to the Tory party that they tolerated Braverman.

And I'd say this across the board too, even if the defection is in the "right" direction for my own preference (e.g. Christian Wakeford/Bury South).
 

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This is perhaps why there need to be by-elections if MPs defect.

The people of Fareham and Waterlooville elected a Tory, not a Reformist. Granted many of them knew what Braverman was like, but perhaps some did not or were so loyal to the Tory party that they tolerated Braverman.

And I'd say this across the board too, even if the defection is in the "right" direction for my own preference (e.g. Christian Wakeford/Bury South).

I agree. If you leave a party and become an independent you can still vote according to the manifesto that you were elected on, except for such matters as caused you to leave. Anyway, the reasons for leaving a party are often not manifest commitments. But if you join another party you are bound to vote, with occasional exceptions, according to a manifesto that you were not elected on.
 

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No my gal Suella is just waiting. She knows who ever wins will be the new William Hauge, Suella will replace them in a few years and be the new IDS.
Whoever wins will need to last 5 years 3 months to equal Churchill’s continuous stint as a Tory leader of the opposition. Only Heath got anywhere near it.
 
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To rely on immigration forever also implies we got to keep them countries poorer forever.
We can already kinda see in unsustainabilty of this with Eastern Europeans heading back home across Europe as their economies catch up
Correct. Sooner or later all economies will have to realise this fact.
 

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A pool of people willing to work for the minimum wage or less drags down the average wage in an industry towards that minimum.
As we've seen post-Brexit with things like lorry drivers, employers had to massively increase salaries to get Brits to do those jobs.
That's capitalism!

Businesses took advantage of the fact that there was a supply of cheap labour that was willing to work for lower wages than the local population was willing to put up with. Now that the supply of cheaper labour is drying up, those businesses are suddenly having to react to "market forces" and pay more in order to retain people.

"Market forces" isn't a one-way thing! :)
 

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That's capitalism!

Businesses took advantage of the fact that there was a supply of cheap labour that was willing to work for lower wages than the local population was willing to put up with. Now that the supply of cheaper labour is drying up, those businesses are suddenly having to react to "market forces" and pay more in order to retain people.

"Market forces" isn't a one-way thing! :)
Yes usually only seen as a "problem" when its the workers getting more money not the business, strange.
 

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That's capitalism!

Businesses took advantage of the fact that there was a supply of cheap labour that was willing to work for lower wages than the local population was willing to put up with. Now that the supply of cheaper labour is drying up, those businesses are suddenly having to react to "market forces" and pay more in order to retain people.

"Market forces" isn't a one-way thing! :)
Of course the market could have been managed if the Blair government had stemmed the flow of Eastern European workers, as other countries in the EU did, but he chose to fling the doors open and flood the country. To this day the left generally deny that this influx depressed wages for working class people despite the obvious truth.
 

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Of course the market could have been managed if the Blair government had stemmed the flow of Eastern European workers, as other countries in the EU did, but he chose to fling the doors open and flood the country. To this day the left generally deny that this influx depressed wages for working class people despite the obvious truth.
Or just put up the minimum wage.
 

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Of course the market could have been managed if the Blair government had stemmed the flow of Eastern European workers, as other countries in the EU did, but he chose to fling the doors open and flood the country
"Flood the country"? Would prefer more neutral language to be honest!
 
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Or just put up the minimum wage.
That would only have partially worked. A fair portion of the Eastern European cohort were recruited abusively in the early years in particular, and they often worked with the employer illegally paying them below minimum wage, especially in agriculture.
 

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Now that the supply of cheaper labour is drying up, those businesses are suddenly having to react to "market forces" and pay more in order to retain people.

"Market forces" isn't a one-way thing! :)
Of course, by far the cheapest way to respond is to pour money into lobbying politicians into creating visa systems to allow the flow of cheap labour continue.

See the schemes for "agricultural labour" and other "shortage" occupations.

The UK agricultural sector, in particular, has no plan to survive in the new world beyond simply trying to recreate pockets of the old world.
The food security argument, in my view, doesn't wash, because if our objective is an agricultural system designed to eliminate any risk of starvation during future disruptions to trade....... it wouldn't look anything like this.

It would likely be overwhelmingly based on dairy, potatoes (and other root vegetables) and grain, with only limited fruit (favouring either hydroponics or hard fruit amenable to machine harvesting).
There would probably be some highland sheep, but there would not be vast armies of people picking soft fruit in fields.
 
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That would only have partially worked. A fair portion of the Eastern European cohort were recruited abusively in the early years in particular, and they often worked with the employer illegally paying them below minimum wage, especially in agriculture.
So raise the minimum wage and crack down on enforcement.
 
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