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CAF class 197 Civity for TfW: News and updates on introduction.

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All images to date have shown them to be end-gangwayed units, yes.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...upply-wales-borders-regional-train-fleet.html

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It was ROG drivers temporarily, but with the work likely to continue for a while it's now only TFW drivers on it - one link at Shrewsbury has been learning the route.
Oooh.

I doubt new starters will have the pleasure of that then. Looks like I'll have to wait. :lol:
 

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It looks like there is still a shortage of 197s today. A pair of 153's is doing the 1104 Milford to Manchester and therefore the 1730 Manchester. Unless its going to swap at Cardiff.

Also one of the Pembroke Dock diagrams is a 150 today.
 

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It looks like there is still a shortage of 197s today. A pair of 153's is doing the 1104 Milford to Manchester and therefore the 1730 Manchester. Unless its going to swap at Cardiff.

Also one of the Pembroke Dock diagrams is a 150 today.
Looking at realtimetrains.co.uk they appear not to be able to set swap it but have put an extra 153 on to make it 3 carriages which I suppose is a good compromise.
 

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A pair of 153's is doing the 1104 Milford to Manchester and therefore the 1730 Manchester. Unless its going to swap at Cardiff.
Transport for Wales thought it'd be a good idea to grab another train! Oh wait, it's another 153 to add on to the pile! :(
 

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Sounds like today WMT have declined ticket acceptance with TFW as they are also short forming services (I’ve not verified that, just what I heard).
What goes around comes around. I note that there are TfW off peak day returns that are 10 or 20p less than the any permitted tickets. I wonder how many people buy them? I certainly wouldn't.
 

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What goes around comes around. I note that there are TfW off peak day returns that are 10 or 20p less than the any permitted tickets. I wonder how many people buy them? I certainly wouldn't.
I used to sell a good number of them as singles onboard. 99% of a people would buy the any permitted ticket if making a return. I can think of 1 regular who used to get a return as the TFW only.

so apparently a software fix for a glitch that caused poor cooling of the 197 saloons has been trialled on 10 units, which has been successful.
Also they adjusted the parameters to be in-line with British standards.
They’re now rolling it out to the rest of the fleet.
Initial reports is that the saloons one those units are lovely and cool during the hotter weather.

It will be interesting to see if it holds up.
 

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Fair enough, capacity is probably higher priority than comfort in this situation, even if it's a 153.
To be fair I think a 153 may be more comfortable; certainly rides better than a 197!
 

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What goes around comes around. I note that there are TfW off peak day returns that are 10 or 20p less than the any permitted tickets. I wonder how many people buy them? I certainly wouldn't.
Some of those TfW only fares used to offer a reasonable saving over the any permitted before TfW decided to follow the lead of Avanti to increase them to be 10/20p less than the any permitted citing more advance fares being available (ignoring that sometimes 2x TfW advance fares is more than the cost of the flexible day return)
 

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The 3x153 combo didn't quite make it to Manchester, turned short at Wilmslow due to late running.
I was driving home from Ludlow, saw it at Leominster and was going faster than it (not speeding!) along one section! It's crazy how slow they accelerate compared to the 197s and Mk4s!
 

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so apparently a software fix for a glitch that caused poor cooling of the 197 saloons has been trialled on 10 units, which has been successful.
Also they adjusted the parameters to be in-line with British standards.
They’re now rolling it out to the rest of the fleet.
Initial reports is that the saloons one those units are lovely and cool during the hotter weather.

It will be interesting to see if it holds up.
Great news! It would have been a real cock-up if the HVAC hardware on a Spanish train couldn't cope with our temperatures. Are there any other software fixes in the work to help with availability or are those mechanical issues?
 

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Great news! It would have been a real cock-up if the HVAC hardware on a Spanish train couldn't cope with our temperatures. Are there any other software fixes in the work to help with availability or are those mechanical issues?
Yes it really would have! It’s one of the biggest things for me going from the 158’s on the Cambrian. I can forgive some of the other down falls of them just for the fact that they should have good aircon because even as a staff member who gets free travel on TFW, I’d rather take the car when it gets hot.

I’m not sure what the issues with the 197’s are exactly although I’m pretty sure I’ve seen previously that some other software updates were done previously to fix a few issues.
Knowing what TFW are like and from what I see, I have no doubt (despite the naysayers) they won’t be happy with how things are and will be very committed to improving reliability to as high as is possible.

STD+ on the 197’s is also to start receiving branding 1 unit at a time from the end of July.

The catering teams are also looking to start using the onboard fridges, so they may be less of a waste of space in the near future.
 

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STD+ on the 197’s is also to start receiving branding 1 unit at a time from the end of July.
That is a step forward. Although I do like the declassified area, it will be good for those passengers who wish to have that extra bit of comfort. I'll have to try and get a couple more rides in :lol:

How will they fade in enforcement of it? Wait until all units are branded or if its a branded unit then the conductor can just charge?
 

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That is a step forward. Although I do like the declassified area, it will be good for those passengers who wish to have that extra bit of comfort. I'll have to try and get a couple more rides in :lol:

How will they fade in enforcement of it? Wait until all units are branded or if its a branded unit then the conductor can just charge?
Yes it is, luckily from the looks, upgrade prices will be very reasonable.

It hasn’t been said. I would imagine that they would wait until all units have the branding then switch over to it being a paid Upgrade.
 

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STD+ on the 197’s is also to start receiving branding 1 unit at a time from the end of July.

The catering teams are also looking to start using the onboard fridges, so they may be less of a waste of space in the near future.
2 things to say here
1. Will the STD+ seating be charged on services like Maesteg and Cheltenham which don't advertise it

2. Excellent to see that large waste of space can be used on some services instead of just a catering trolley
 

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Could anyone confirm which of the non Cambrian 197s still haven't entered service yet (if any) - I only have a few outstanding to travel on and it may be that some of my missing ones aren't around yet.
 

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Could anyone confirm which of the non Cambrian 197s still haven't entered service yet (if any) - I only have a few outstanding to travel on and it may be that some of my missing ones aren't around yet.
I have 119, 121, 123, 124 and 126 of the non-Cambrian yet to enter service. All 2 car non-Cambrian are in service.
 

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I have 119, 121, 123, 124 and 126 of the non-Cambrian yet to enter service. All 2 car non-Cambrian are in service.
That's brilliant, thank you. Means of the 3 cars I only need 105/113/115 and I should be able to get 2 of them later today.
Thanks again @SuperLuke2334

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Looks as though something may have gone wrong at Hereford:
 
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Looks as though something may have gone wrong at Hereford:
Class 45 failure between Abergavenny and Pontypool caused line to be blocked, 113 came from the Holyhead service and joined it for the ride to Cardiff.
 

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2 things to say here
1. Will the STD+ seating be charged on services like Maesteg and Cheltenham which don't advertise it

2. Excellent to see that large waste of space can be used on some services instead of just a catering trolley
Pretty sure just routes have upgrade fares available so I would have thought so yes.

It would be good if it gets used.
 

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Class 45 failure between Abergavenny and Pontypool caused line to be blocked, 113 came from the Holyhead service and joined it for the ride to Cardiff.
The 197s also had issues once coupled. They didn't leave for 45 minutes or so after the line was cleared.
 

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The 197s also had issues once coupled. They didn't leave for 45 minutes or so after the line was cleared.
Did seem to take it's time decoupling too! I was on my way back from Severn Tunnel on 197118 and we raced it from Newport to Cardiff, the entire time we were there (about 15 minutes) people kept getting told to get on and off. It hadn't uncoupled at all, it did eventually, only a good 15-20 minutes after arriving!
 

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