West Yorkshire Rover, validity area and gap between Gtr M and WY?

[Howardh]

Looking for the equivalent of the Manchester Ranger; so I can travel all day off-peak in W Yorks. Ticket appears to be £9.50 (no bus involved) but that was 15 years ago; imagine it's double that now!!!.

Can't find a validity map on either https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tickets-railcards-offers/promotions/west-yorkshire-train-day-saver/ or following the link https://www.m-card.co.uk/the-cards/day-tickets/ - all I can find is this from several years ago https://projectmapping.co.uk/Reviews/Resources/wypte-rail-map-web FWT 2017.pdf

So is that map valid today - if not is there an updated one?

Also I intend to have the Greater Manchester Bus+Rail day ticket, so there's a gap between Greenfield and Marsden, would I have to buy a return between those two stations (buy on train??), or is the boundary half-way so both Ranger tickets are valid?

Also it states that WY Rangers can be bought from their stations, and date scratched off, how does one not in the area obtain one in advance (could I get one from Bolton??), or can I get it on the TPE x-border train buy asking the guard?

Many thanks - oh, if there's one ticket that covers both areas I'd be glad to learn!!

 

[skyhigh]

So is that map valid today

I believe it is.

Also it states that WY Rangers can be bought from their stations, and date scratched off

I don't think the scratch off versions are sold any more, you can buy the ticket from any ticket office or Northern operated TVM. If facilities exist at the starting station you must buy the ticket before you board (or be prepared to leave the train at the end of the first ticket's validity if you're unable to find the guard).

The ticket can also be bought on the MCard app.

 

[jamiearmley]

The map is correct but the ticket is not valid in zone 6 or 7.

The West Yorkshire day rover is only valid in zones, one to five.

Anybody with a ticket machine anywhere in the country can sell you the West Yorkshire day rover.

Just ask your conductor on your train as you head toward West Yorkshire to type WY into the rangers and rovers section on his ticket machine and the options will appear.

Don't forget though that the West Yorkshire day rover available on train, at ticket vending machine and at ticket office is off peak only and is not valid in the afternoon peak in West Yorkshire.

There is now an all day West Yorkshire train only day rover which is only available from the M card app.

 

[Howardh]

I believe it is.


I don't think the scratch off versions are sold any more, you can buy the ticket from any ticket office or Northern operated TVM. If facilities exist at the starting station you must buy the ticket before you board (or be prepared to leave the train at the end of the first ticket's validity if you're unable to find the guard).

The ticket can also be bought on the MCard app.

Bolton station is Northern so I could buy it there?

I'll have a look at the app too!

What's the situation between Greenfield (Gtr M) and Marsden (W Yorks) do I need to buy a separate ticket between those two?

Adds; thanks for the info about zones 6/7, I wouldn't be travelling that far so no worries!

 

[The exile]

What's the situation between Greenfield (Gtr M) and Marsden (W Yorks) do I need to buy a separate ticket between those 2?

Yes you do as the validity areas do not overlap.

 

[Watershed]

The ever-useful Rail Rover site saves the day, with a map illustrating the validity - although do note that it's an unofficial site, so it is always best to double check with the 'official' sources.

The ticket is simply valid to all stations in West Yorkshire. Since the WY boundaries haven't changed since the county's formation in 1974, the validity remains the same as shown on the map you link to.

Unfortunately the ticket is not valid for travel beyond the boundary stations, and the same goes for the various Greater Manchester day tickets that are available - so there is indeed a gap between Greenfield and Marsden (or Littleborough and Walsden via the Calder Valley) for which you need a separate ticket. Frustrating seeing as the tickets are supposed to cover the entirety of two contiguous counties, but the railway insists on its 'tunnel tax'!

The even more frustrating part is that because you are using a combination of three tickets, you can't use a non-stop train from somewhere like Manchester Victoria to Huddersfield. The train has to stop at one of the boundary stations (or both), as you can only conduct one non-stop split between station stops (i.e. using a combination of two tickets). In practice that generally restricts you to stopping trains.

Of course if you buy a WY DaySaver and a separate single/return between, say, Bolton and Marsden then you can travel on a non-stop train as you would only be splitting once. Again, may seem pedantic but that's how the rules work.

As for buying the ticket, you should be able to do this at any Northern TVM as they have a rangers & rovers functionality now. Alternatively you could try to buy it from the ticket office (they might not know the relevant code - if so the origin is I046 and the ticket type is DWT). Buying onboard would only be permitted if you already have a valid ticket for the train when you board, and manage to buy the DaySaver before your existing ticket runs out. The guard may not know how to issue the ticket, or be unable or unwilling to do so onboard, so it's not a strategy I would suggest.

 

[Howardh]

OK I've downloaded the app. I found the Bus/rail zones 2 - 5 (presumably I can go through Leeds but not alight??) @ £12.90, looks like that can be used during the afternoon peak, or under "other tickets" the WY daysaver Bus + Rail @ £10.60 but the rail bit can't be used during the peak.

Is there a rail-only ticket on the app that I've missed? Otherwise I'll have to get that at the station?

Just read Watershed's post, thanks, looks like - amazingly - I need a separate ticket between the zones. Barmy, like the way you call it a "tunnel tax"! but at least I get 1/3 off > EDIT > £8.19 return w/o railcard?? Blimey, that's steep.

EDIT 2; Because of the gap between zones, I don't think there's any saving; might be better just buying a return with railcard between Bolton and (say) Denby Dale and have a break of journey at Brockholes, much cheaper but kind of limits the day. Pity.

Is there an all-day ticket that covers both areas and there's no "gap"? Can't find one one-line.

 

[The exile]

Buying onboard would only be permitted if you already have a valid ticket for the train when you board, and manage to buy the DaySaver before your existing ticket runs out. The guard may not know how to issue the ticket, or be unable or unwilling to do so onboard, so it's not a strategy I would suggest.

Although if the guard were unable / unwilling to issue the ticket through ignorance that would surely be as much of a legitimate reason for ticketless travel as if his/her ticket machine had failed. Wouldn’t fancy trying to prove it though.

 

[Kite159]

Is there an all-day ticket that covers both areas and there's no "gap"? Can't find one one-line.

The closest you will get is the South Pennines Day Ranger however that doesn't include all of West Yorkshire (or all of Greater Manchester) (but includes part of South Yorkshire and doesn't have an afternoon peak restriction)

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - South Pennines Day Ranger

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

railrover.org

All depends what you want to do in West Yorkshire, and getting an extra ticket from Bolton (?) to one of the Manchester stations.

 

[Howardh]

The closest you will get is the South Pennines Day Ranger however that doesn't include all of West Yorkshire (or all of Greater Manchester) (but includes part of South Yorkshire and doesn't have an afternoon peak restriction)

GB RAIL ROVER GUIDE - South Pennines Day Ranger

How to find rail rover and ranger tickets on the national rail network. Rover and ranger tickets are cheap tickets for rail travel

railrover.org

All depends what you want to do in West Yorkshire, and getting an extra ticket from Bolton (?) to one of the Manchester stations.

Thanks, that would do, but I'd have to work out if £19.60 (senior r/c) plus home - BON - VIC (ret) is cheaper than any of the above. Must admit didn't know there was such a ticket, and a big plus is there's no afternoon restrictions. Think that's the one best for me.

 

[Tetchytyke]

OK I've downloaded the app. I found the Bus/rail zones 2 - 5 (presumably I can go through Leeds but not alight??) @ £12.90, looks like that can be used during the afternoon peak, or under "other tickets" the WY daysaver Bus + Rail @ £10.60 but the rail bit can't be used during the peak.

No, the ticket must cover all zones that you travel through. Leeds is zone 1, and so if you are travelling through Leeds your ticket must cover zone 1.

These are the options on the M-Card, including via the app:


The ticket you will want is the 1-5 ticket, which is £10.60 off peak and £16.40 peak. There is also an off-peak rail only ticket at £9.50, but for £1.10 I'd pay the extra for the bus validity tbh.

There's only the South Pennines Day Ranger which covers the gap, but this doesn't include buses and doesn't include north or east of Leeds.

If you don't want to pay for the train, the bus doesn't have a gap between the GM and WY day rover products.

 

[Kite159]

Thanks, that would do, but I'd have to work out if £19.60 (senior r/c) plus home - BON - VIC (ret) is cheaper than any of the above. Must admit didn't know there was such a ticket, and a big plus is there's no afternoon restrictions. Think that's the one best for me.

And would allow you to go towards Leeds via Rochdale and come back via Huddersfield (or even via Sheffield & the valley of Hope)

 

[Howardh]

No, the ticket must cover all zones that you travel through. Leeds is zone 1, and so if you are travelling through Leeds your ticket must cover zone 1.

These are the options on the M-Card, including via the app:
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The ticket you will want is the 1-5 ticket, which is £10.60 off peak and £16.40 peak.

Thanks, pity about zone 1, means the South Pennines Ranger is the one best suited for me as it covers PM peak too. Learned a lot this afternoon, dunno how I'd cope without this forum!

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And would allow you to go towards Leeds via Rochdale and come back via Huddersfield (or even via Sheffield & the valley of Hope)

Yes, a huge plus! It's a bit like the Peak Wayfarer but shifted up and right a bit!! Awful map thought!!

https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/sites/default/files/2022-01/South-Pennines-Day-Ranger_Map_A4.pdf

 

[Tetchytyke]

Thanks, pity about zone 1, means the South Pennines Ranger is the one best suited for me as it covers PM peak too. Learned a lot this afternoon, dunno how I'd cope without this forum!

The £16.40 ticket includes Leeds and includes the afternoon peak. It depends on if you intend to travel north or east of Leeds. The South Pennines map is on the Northern website here: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/tickets/rangers-and-rovers/yorkshire

The South Pennines ticket doesn't include the bus, obviously.

ETA: if you are prepared to limit yourself to the Calder Valley, I would suggest Rochdale-Todmorden off-peak day return at £3.65 is your best bet to bridge the gap. It is slightly more expensive than Littleborough-Walsden (£2.90) but the advantage is that all Calder Valley Northern trains call at both Rochdale and Todmorden. Walsden has a limited service in comparison.

 

[Howardh]

The £16.40 ticket includes Leeds and includes the afternoon peak. It depends on if you intend to travel north or east of Leeds. The South Pennines map is on the Northern website here: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/tickets/rangers-and-rovers/yorkshire

The South Pennines ticket doesn't include the bus, obviously.

Won't need the bus, so that Ranger ticket looks perfect; makes Rochdale - Brighouse - Penistone line - finishing off at Edale before returning to Manchester very possible - might even be a pub on the route, you never know!

 

[Autoticketgate]

The even more frustrating part is that because you are using a combination of three tickets, you can't use a non-stop train from somewhere like Manchester Victoria to Huddersfield. The train has to stop at one of the boundary stations (or both), as you can only conduct one non-stop split between station stops (i.e. using a combination of two tickets). In practice that generally restricts you to stopping trains.

Of course if you buy a WY DaySaver and a separate single/return between, say, Bolton and Marsden then you can travel on a non-stop train as you would only be splitting once. Again, may seem pedantic but that's how the rules work.

Which rule says this? Very sorry but I tried looking and I can't find it. The only thing in the National Rail Terms and Conditions that mentions the non-stop split rule is 14.3 I think:

14.2 Unless Condition 14.1 applies, you may use a combination of two or more Tickets
to make a journey provided that the train services you use Call at the station(s) where
you change from one Ticket to another.

14.3 Unless Condition 14.1 applies, if you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or
another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger, or rover, in
conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the
first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to
Call at that station for your combination to be valid.

My interpretation of this (which might be wrong!) would have been: by default per 14.2 you would need to call at Greenfield and Marsden as that's where you would be changing tickets (from the Man Ranger to the single and the single to the WY DaySaver). But per 14.3, the Manchester Rail Ranger is a ranger, the validity ends at Greenfield, your single's validity starts at Greenfield, therefore you do not need to call at Greenfield. And the single's validity ends at Marsden, the WY DaySaver is also an area based Ticket, the validity starts at Marsden, therefore you don't need to call at Marsden either. Hence you would be able to get any train that goes across the boundary via Marsden/Greenfield regardless of where it calls. It is true that 14.3 doesn't make specific reference to using that rule more than once, but 14.2 does say "two or more" and nothing in 14.3 says to me that it cannot be used for a combination of any number of tickets?

Or is this something to do with walk up tickets between Greenfield-Marsden being routed "NOT HUDDERSFIELD"? (as to me that restriction would make very little sense otherwise, given the two stations are consecutive and I can't see why that route restriction would be needed in normal use? Doubling back seems both pointless and invalid anyway)

Context for asking, although OP said it isn't cheaper in for their journey anyway - I'm thinking about bus-train-bus or bus-train-Metrolink commutes I might want to take in the future between WY and Greater Manchester and I've noticed that there are some combinations of Littleborough-Walden or Greenfield-Marsden annual seasons with Annual MCards + GM Traincard or County Card, that save a decent amount vs buying a rail season ticket and buying bus/Metrolink seasons separately, so would be very useful, not to mention the whole of two areas of free leisure train travel - but if as you say they would be restricted to stoppers on the border, they would be much less useful in practice (eg every other Manchester-Huddersfield train doesn't call at either station so wouldn't be usable).
(Although that throws an additional spanner in the works compared to OP's question, in that Season Tickets are also included in 14.3, so all the tickets on both boundaries would be part of the "no need to call" rule, if that would make a difference?)

 

[Kite159]

Or is this something to do with walk up tickets between Greenfield-Marsden being routed "NOT HUDDERSFIELD"? (as to me that restriction would make very little sense otherwise, given the two stations are consecutive and I can't see why that route restriction would be needed in normal use? Doubling back seems both pointless and invalid anyway

Might that restriction have something with one timetable period when TPE 'skip stopped' stations between Stalybridge & Huddersfield with only some peak time services calling at all the stations?

 

[BrianW]

Blimey! Reading this thread you'd think 'the authorities' (companies!) don't want these tickets, or to cooperate with each other.
Bring on that 'guiding mind'!
Balkanisation via Metro Mayors will not help- again talking and resolving to work effectively to collaborate is needed. Am I in dreamland?

 

[Tetchytyke]

Reading this thread you'd think 'the authorities' (companies!) don't want these tickets, or to cooperate with each other.

The two tickets are county-based zonal tickets. Why would TfGM pay for validity outside of Greater Manchester and why would WYCA pay for validity outside of West Yorkshire? Especially as the number of people who would want to buy both tickets and use them concurrently is minuscule.

The various local authorities will pay when there's a good reason to, though. Darton is in South Yorkshire but WYCA tickets are valid to it and Moorthorpe and South Elmsall are in West Yorkshire but SYMCA tickets are valid to it. In those cases the stations are all only a few hundred yards across the border.

 

[Watershed]

Which rule says this? Very sorry but I tried looking and I can't find it. The only thing in the National Rail Terms and Conditions that mentions the non-stop split rule is 14.3 I think:

My interpretation of this (which might be wrong!) would have been: by default per 14.2 you would need to call at Greenfield and Marsden as that's where you would be changing tickets (from the Man Ranger to the single and the single to the WY DaySaver). But per 14.3, the Manchester Rail Ranger is a ranger, the validity ends at Greenfield, your single's validity starts at Greenfield, therefore you do not need to call at Greenfield. And the single's validity ends at Marsden, the WY DaySaver is also an area based Ticket, the validity starts at Marsden, therefore you don't need to call at Marsden either. Hence you would be able to get any train that goes across the boundary via Marsden/Greenfield regardless of where it calls. It is true that 14.3 doesn't make specific reference to using that rule more than once, but 14.2 does say "two or more" and nothing in 14.3 says to me that it cannot be used for a combination of any number of tickets?

Or is this something to do with walk up tickets between Greenfield-Marsden being routed "NOT HUDDERSFIELD"? (as to me that restriction would make very little sense otherwise, given the two stations are consecutive and I can't see why that route restriction would be needed in normal use? Doubling back seems both pointless and invalid anyway)

Context for asking, although OP said it isn't cheaper in for their journey anyway - I'm thinking about bus-train-bus or bus-train-Metrolink commutes I might want to take in the future between WY and Greater Manchester and I've noticed that there are some combinations of Littleborough-Walden or Greenfield-Marsden annual seasons with Annual MCards + GM Traincard or County Card, that save a decent amount vs buying a rail season ticket and buying bus/Metrolink seasons separately, so would be very useful, not to mention the whole of two areas of free leisure train travel - but if as you say they would be restricted to stoppers on the border, they would be much less useful in practice (eg every other Manchester-Huddersfield train doesn't call at either station so wouldn't be usable).
(Although that throws an additional spanner in the works compared to OP's question, in that Season Tickets are also included in 14.3, so all the tickets on both boundaries would be part of the "no need to call" rule, if that would make a difference?)

It's NRCoT 14.3 as you say. I agree that one reading of it would be that multiple non-stop splits are permitted. However the contrary view would be that it only refers to "a" Ticket in conjunction with "another" Ticket. It doesn't address the position of multiple combinations of such splits and accordingly, since it is an exception to the general rule under 14.2 that you must stop at your split points, it must be deemed that it only applies to one non-stop split at a time. However I recognise that there is some ambiguity here.

Ultimately if any such case went to Court, a judge would look at the intention of the drafters, and here I think it would be relevant to consider the fact that the old NRCoC wording explicitly did permit multiple non-stop splits (under more restrictive circumstances). A deliberate change from that position, to not mentioning multiple non-stop splits at all, implies it was intended to no longer permit multiple non-stop splits.

There was a discussion on this point when the NRCoT were introduced back in 2016 and I believe the above was the consensus that was concluded. The various updates to the NRCoT since then haven't changed anything about condition 14.

The fact that Greenfield-Marsden tickets are routed "NOT HUDDERSFIELD" is neither here nor there, as you wouldn't be relying on the season's validity to go via Huddersfield. You would only be relying on it between Greenfield and Marsden. The reason why this routing exists is to do with historic stopping patterns when certain peak time trains called at one station but not the other, meaning that journeys between the two could plausibly be made via Huddersfield (there was even an easement for it, IIRC). It's not really relevant nowadays since under the current timetable, trains either stop at both stations or neither.

The two tickets are county-based zonal tickets. Why would TfGM pay for validity outside of Greater Manchester and why would WYCA pay for validity outside of West Yorkshire? Especially as the number of people who would want to buy both tickets and use them concurrently is minuscule.

The various local authorities will pay when there's a good reason to, though. Darton is in South Yorkshire but WYCA tickets are valid to it and Moorthorpe and South Elmsall are in West Yorkshire but SYMCA tickets are valid to it. In those cases the stations are all only a few hundred yards across the border.

At all times you are either in GM or WY though. There isn't some mythical third county you find yourself in whilst in the "cross-border" tunnel. That being said, that is how the ticketing treats it since neither ticket is valid beyond the last station in the respective county to the county boundary.

It is a well-recognised principle of international rail ticketing that country-wide tickets are valid until either a border station on one side, or until a virtual border station "(Gr)" / "(Fr)" to/from which add-on tickets can be bought. So it is hardly as if having contiguous validity would be a controversial or novel concept.

Indeed the bus validity runs right up until the border in both cases and is contiguous, illustrating the absurdity of the position on rail validity. But unfortunately those are the rules, whether they make sense or not.

 

[Howardh]

Thanks for the detailed analysis!

To me if the border isn't half-way between the final zone station and next (ie the tunnel), then it would make sense to allow a "Wayfarer" "Ranger" or similar to be valid to the first station outside the zone, in this case GM Ranger takes to to Marsden (Greenfield + 1), and the WY takes you to Greenfield, so situations like mine don't arise. Would also help on the Rochdale line as the same situation occurs.

How can a layman like myself contact the appropriate agency to point this out and maybe tweak the rules a little in the passenger's favour?

 

[Kite159]

Thanks for the detailed analysis!

To me if the border isn't half-way between the final zone station and next (ie the tunnel), then it would make sense to allow a "Wayfarer" "Ranger" or similar to be valid to the first station outside the zone, in this case GM Ranger takes to to Marsden (Greenfield + 1), and the WY takes you to Greenfield, so situations like mine don't arise. Would also help on the Rochdale line as the same situation occurs.

How can a layman like myself contact the appropriate agency to point this out and maybe tweak the rules a little in the passenger's favour?

If the ranger area was extended to the first station beyond the tunnel, what would the extra cost be?

 

[TUC]

The two tickets are county-based zonal tickets. Why would TfGM pay for validity outside of Greater Manchester and why would WYCA pay for validity outside of West Yorkshire? Especially as the number of people who would want to buy both tickets and use them concurrently is minuscule.

The various local authorities will pay when there's a good reason to, though. Darton is in South Yorkshire but WYCA tickets are valid to it and Moorthorpe and South Elmsall are in West Yorkshire but SYMCA tickets are valid to it. In those cases the stations are all only a few hundred yards across the border.

The point is that if they were truly zonal tickets then validity would be right up to the edge of the zone, not the last station within it.

Having said that, the West Yorkshire position is ambiguous. The Guide to Cross-Boundary Services at https://www.wymetro.com/media/2280/1910-cross-boundary-leaflet-22318-final.pdf states 'Please note fares may be combined only to and from a station at which your train makes a scheduled stop' but then states 'If you have two or more zonal tickets in combination or one is a rail season ticket and one is not, the train does not need to stop at the station where they change from one ticket to another.'

That implies to me in terms of the West Yorkshire side of the equation that a WY Metro zonal ticket would be valid up to the boundary, if combined with another zonal ticket which has similar validity. What I don't know is whether GM has a similar provision in any of its materials?

 

[johnnychips]

The various local authorities will pay when there's a good reason to, though. Darton is in South Yorkshire but WYCA tickets are valid to it and Moorthorpe and South Elmsall are in West Yorkshire but SYMCA tickets are valid to it. In those cases the stations are all only a few hundred yards across the border.

And also SYPTE Travelmaster Connect+ is valid to Darley Dale in W Yorks on the Sheffield-Huddersfield line.

I had a lovely day around Saltaire, Shipley and Keighley the other Saturday combining my SY Connect+, which I use for work anyway, with a WY Daysaver Bus and Rail Off Peak ticket, which I got off the app. So no cross-border issues, except you have to get a stopper: you could not get a XC train from Wakefield to Sheffield or an LNER from Wakefield to Doncaster using this combination of tickets. I vaguely remember this has been a subject of some controversy on these forums before.

 

[Dewedin]

For anyone else finding this thread, hopefully a useful summary of the day saver products in West Yorkshire

• West Yorkshire DaySaver tickets are valid on a zonal basis for rail, centred on Leeds. Tickets covering all zones 1-5 include travel between all stations in West Yorkshire and additionally one cross-border station Darton in South Yorkshire - see map
• All DaySaver products are valid on buses across the whole of West Yorkshire, even when the ticket does not cover all the rail zones
• The following four products can be bought at railway ticket offices and Northern ticket machines, all of these cover rail zones 1-5 and are off-peak, not valid to board buses or trains Monday-Friday before 09:30, and not valid to board trains between 16:01 and 18:29
• WY DaySaver Train (£9.50), WY DaySaver Train & Bus (£10.60), WY Family DaySaver Train & Bus (£15.70 for 5 passengers including up to 2 adults), WY Group DaySaver Train & Bus (£27.90 for up to 5 adults)
• There are additional Train & Bus DaySaver products including peak time travel for Zones 1-3 (£13.10), 1-4 (£15), 1-5 (£16.40) and 2-5 (£12.90) - these are only sold by MCard and the easiest way to use these is by downloading the 'MCard Mobile' app. A Zone 2-5 ticket is not valid to travel through Leeds by rail.
• There are no railcard discounts for DaySavers except 16-17 Saver which is valid for the off-peak WY DaySaver Train (£4.75)
• The validity zone for DaySavers is contiguous with South Yorkshire zones but not Greater Manchester zones (you have to buy a separate ticket to travel between Marsden-Greenfield or Walsden-Littleborough)
• The official source of information for West Yorkshire DaySavers is here

 

[Sapphire Blue]

Can a WY Family DaySaver be started and/or finished by one adult travelling alone?
Either meeting others later or leaving them at the end of the day?

 

[Dewedin]

Can a WY Family DaySaver be started and/or finished by one adult travelling alone?
Either meeting others later or leaving them at the end of the day?

Yes a WY Family Daysaver is also valid for one adult travelling alone or with one other adult.

 

[jamiearmley]

For anyone else finding this thread, hopefully a useful summary of the day saver products in West Yorkshire

• West Yorkshire DaySaver tickets are valid on a zonal basis for rail, centred on Leeds. Tickets covering all zones 1-5 include travel between all stations in West Yorkshire and additionally one cross-border station Darton in South Yorkshire - see map
• All DaySaver products are valid on buses across the whole of West Yorkshire, even when the ticket does not cover all the rail zones
• The following four products can be bought at railway ticket offices and Northern ticket machines, all of these cover rail zones 1-5 and are off-peak, not valid to board buses or trains Monday-Friday before 09:30, and not valid to board trains between 16:01 and 18:29
• WY DaySaver Train (£9.50), WY DaySaver Train & Bus (£10.60), WY Family DaySaver Train & Bus (£15.70 for 5 passengers including up to 2 adults), WY Group DaySaver Train & Bus (£27.90 for up to 5 adults)
• There are additional Train & Bus DaySaver products including peak time travel for Zones 1-3 (£13.10), 1-4 (£15), 1-5 (£16.40) and 2-5 (£12.90) - these are only sold by MCard and the easiest way to use these is by downloading the 'MCard Mobile' app. A Zone 2-5 ticket is not valid to travel through Leeds by rail.
• There are no railcard discounts for DaySavers except 16-17 Saver which is valid for the off-peak WY DaySaver Train (£4.75)
• The validity zone for DaySavers is contiguous with South Yorkshire zones but not Greater Manchester zones (you have to buy a separate ticket to travel between Marsden-Greenfield or Walsden-Littleborough)
• The official source of information for West Yorkshire DaySavers is here

Additionally, although the 16 17 saver is the only RAILCARD which gives discount, WYMETRO issued ENCTS elderly / disabled passes, and the WY UNDER 19 PHOTOCARD, also give a 50% discount on the WY DAYSAVER TRAIN.

 

[Sapphire Blue]

Yes a WY Family Daysaver is also valid for one adult travelling alone or with one other adult.

Thankyou.
I must e-mail Arriva to let their bus drivers know.