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UK General Election 2024: The Results & Aftermath
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That’s not right, Scotland also has the 26th Dec as a Bank holiday:
2024 Scottish bank holiday dates
| 2024 date | Day of the week | Holiday |
|---|---|---|
| 1 January 2024 | Monday | New Year's Day |
| 2 January 2024 | Tuesday | 2nd January |
| 29 March 2024 | Friday | Good Friday |
| 6 May 2024 | Monday | Early May |
| 27 May 2024 | Monday | Spring |
| 5 August 2024 | Monday | Summer |
| 2 December 2024 (substitute day) | Monday | St Andrew's Day |
| 25 December 2024 | Wednesday | Christmas Day |
| 26 December 2024 | Thursday | Boxing Day |
I’ve no idea what ‘substitute’ day means though-perhaps you swap it for one of the others…
DarloRich
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seems alright to me. Non one will have to deliver on it!
i watched that. Some fella won it by kicking the ball. All that cheating and making a new sport because you were rubbish at football and the greatest event in that new sport was delivered via footballing skill.
St Andrew’s Day is the 30th of November, which this year is a Saturday. Therefore the 2nd being a Monday is the substitute.That’s not right, Scotland also has the 26th Dec as a Bank holiday:
2024 Scottish bank holiday dates
2024 date Day of the week Holiday 1 January 2024 Monday New Year's Day 2 January 2024 Tuesday 2nd January 29 March 2024 Friday Good Friday 6 May 2024 Monday Early May 27 May 2024 Monday Spring 5 August 2024 Monday Summer 2 December 2024 (substitute day) Monday St Andrew's Day 25 December 2024 Wednesday Christmas Day 26 December 2024 Thursday Boxing Day
I’ve no idea what ‘substitute’ day means though-perhaps you swap it for one of the others…
That list appears to be some misleading feel-good guff that ScotGov put out so that we can all feel blessed. There's a more accurate list on gov.uk somewhere.That’s not right, Scotland also has the 26th Dec as a Bank holiday:
2024 Scottish bank holiday dates
2024 date Day of the week Holiday 1 January 2024 Monday New Year's Day 2 January 2024 Tuesday 2nd January 29 March 2024 Friday Good Friday 6 May 2024 Monday Early May 27 May 2024 Monday Spring 5 August 2024 Monday Summer 2 December 2024 (substitute day) Monday St Andrew's Day 25 December 2024 Wednesday Christmas Day 26 December 2024 Thursday Boxing Day
I’ve no idea what ‘substitute’ day means though-perhaps you swap it for one of the others…
Boxing Day isn't a bank holiday in Scotland, and St Andrew's is a weird thing that is simultaneously declared by the Scottish government but doesn't even have the diminished legal status the other holidays do. Given the difference from England and Wales, the lower legal status of all the holidays, the weird local holidays and everything else, most of the time nobody really knows if they're supposed to have a holiday or not.
Never knew Boxing Day wasn't a bank holiday in Scotland.
In practice, do many people in "traditional office jobs" actually go into work on Boxing Day or is it a de-facto holiday?
Presumably Christmas Day is less significant than Hogmanay in Scotland, as people would have to moderate their habits, so to speak, in the knowledge they might have to go into work the following day.
Does the railway run a full Mon-Fri service on Boxing Day north of the border? Was this the case in BR days?
birchesgreen
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Anyway we've survived one week of the new regime. 
DynamicSpirit
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When is this bank holiday going to happen? If you're talking about a permanent one, then it might not be a bad idea to think about another one - if we spend some time planning it properly. But a bank holiday created on the hoof to celebrate that England won the Euros in 2024 is a totally rubbish reason for it (It might be hot and topical today, but how's that going to look in 20 year's time?) Besides, if we set the precedent that winning a European sporting competition gives a new bank holiday, what's going to happen if we win the Euros again in a few years' time? Or the World cup? Or any other big tournament? Plus there are already lots of bank holidays in spring/early summer. August-December is the problem period when we are lacking bank holidays.
So the idea only makes sense if Ed Davey is talking about a one-off bank holiday to happen now-ish, so presumably in a week or two's time, when the win is still hot news. Now imagine you're a business employing 300 people and with supply chains and customers to worry about. You're suddenly told by the Government that you have to give all your employees an extra holiday in 2 weeks' time that you hadn't planned for and none of your employees had planned for. How do you think that's going to work? It'd be utter chaos. How on Earth for example will the railways or the airlines be able to cope?
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birchesgreen
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Yes i was wondering about when, you can't really call a bank holiday at about 10pm for the next day! And in a week's time seems pointless. I suspect it will come to nothing even if we do win.
Its just Ed Davey showboating - the Lib Dems are irrelevant in the face of Labour's huge majority. There won't be an extra bank holiday.
birchesgreen
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To be fair, Starmer did the same a few years ago. Easy way to get some attention, especially while the actual opposition party are entering the rats in a sack stage.
dangie
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Agree, it’s just political point scoring. Suggest something that the general population will go along with, in the knowledge that the government either won’t or can’t support. It’s how politics work in this country.
DynamicSpirit
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I agree, I'm sure that's what it is. But I still find it disappointing: I understand that political parties want publicity, but I want a political party that aspires to Government - or even to replace the opposition - to take running the country seriously and actually think about what they are proposing. Pushing for things that it takes about 30 seconds of reflection to realise are completely impractical does not inspire confidence.
I think a World Cup win would be a bank holiday worthy occasion (you would presumably schedule it the same time as a victory parade through London) but, whilst I'm obviously hoping we win on Sunday(!), I'm not entirely convinced the Euros is extra bank holiday territory. I do think as @DynamicSpirit that there's some merit in thinking about an extra permanent bank holiday. In England & Wales it does feel like quite slog from the end of August Bank holiday to Christmas. something in the October period (Trafalgar day perhaps ) might be nice.
(Though perhaps I've been reading too many Daily Telegraph columnists)
) might be nice.Yes but only by the barest of margins! I've had to dodge the roaming gangs of Red Guards in the new Labour constituency of Redcar every morning trying to get to and from home. People vanishing into the backs of vans never to be seen again! Starmer's supermajority taking immediate terrifying effect.Anyway we've survived one week of the new regime.
(Though perhaps I've been reading too many Daily Telegraph columnists
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Brits are the only people who would argue against another, one-off, public holiday. A uniquely miserable people. This is such an instructive take on why Britain is how it is - just wilful immiseration.
Every European country except the Netherlands has more standard public holidays than we do (we have only 8). Yes, I would like another public holiday.
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These things - snap public holidays - happen all around the world perfectly normally and the world doesn't fall apart.
Jersey declared one for 15 July to coincide with the King's visit. Just a one-off event.
I think it is OK to mention this now, as I don't believe previous days of the BBC News, Downing Street Live Feed, can be publicly watched again, on the days after its broadcast.
The BBC currently are in the middle of a two-week live stream covering the front door of 10 Downing Street. They have two cameras. This includes sound. One just points at 10 Downing Street front door and rhe other is a wider angle shot.
Earlier this week, when all the media were there, you could hear some of the nearby interviews. The camera focused on just 10 Downing Street was next to the Sky News camera so you could hear their interviews.
At one point they were interviewing one of the regional mayors. It was a two-way with Kate Burley in their studio.
Someone was coordinating it outside number 10. Now following the interview, they agreed with the Mayor to take down their mobile number.
Needless to say, this was fully audible via the BBC Live Stream and anyone watching or even rewinding amd watching it delayed could have noted it down.
I've kept this as vague as this and I wanted until today to mention it, as didn't want anyone thinking I'll rewind the live stream and ring that number to see if it works.
Just goes to show how careful one needs to be when surrounded by multiple media organisations.
The BBC currently are in the middle of a two-week live stream covering the front door of 10 Downing Street. They have two cameras. This includes sound. One just points at 10 Downing Street front door and rhe other is a wider angle shot.
Earlier this week, when all the media were there, you could hear some of the nearby interviews. The camera focused on just 10 Downing Street was next to the Sky News camera so you could hear their interviews.
At one point they were interviewing one of the regional mayors. It was a two-way with Kate Burley in their studio.
Someone was coordinating it outside number 10. Now following the interview, they agreed with the Mayor to take down their mobile number.
Needless to say, this was fully audible via the BBC Live Stream and anyone watching or even rewinding amd watching it delayed could have noted it down.
I've kept this as vague as this and I wanted until today to mention it, as didn't want anyone thinking I'll rewind the live stream and ring that number to see if it works.
Just goes to show how careful one needs to be when surrounded by multiple media organisations.
Why would you (or anyone?) ring someone's private number?
birchesgreen
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Exactly why do that, now writing it on the wall of a public toilet...
Well quiet but I reckon if I had noted down the number and then mentioned it on a public forum, someone might ring it. May be this public forum is to obscure and it would need to be X, formerly known as Twitter.
Apart from pranksters, there are scamers out there.
Lots of people call me every day offering to fix my apparently-broken computer over the phone. I imagine such people would be falling over themselves to help fix the computer of an important mayor or minister. For the prestige, you understand.
I suspect not immediately. Perhaps in a couple of weeks, perhaps extending the August bank holiday by one day.
And I suspect it will be a one-off, not something that will occur every year.
In terms of winning football tournaments, well if it does happen on Sunday, that will be the first time since 1966.
dangie
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I’d like to see one in recognition of Mark Cavendish’s 35th Tour de France stage win breaking the long standing record held by Eddy Merckx.
Of course this ain’t gonna happen here in England, but in Cav’s native Isle of Man it might
3141
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I think that was one reason why the August Bank Holiday, that used to be at the beginning of August, was moved to the end of the month as the Late Summer Bank Holiday.I think a World Cup win would be a bank holiday worthy occasion (you would presumably schedule it the same time as a victory parade through London) but, whilst I'm obviously hoping we win on Sunday(!), I'm not entirely convinced the Euros is extra bank holiday territory. I do think as @DynamicSpirit that there's some merit in thinking about an extra permanent bank holiday. In England & Wales it does feel like quite slog from the end of August Bank holiday to Christmas. something in the October period (Trafalgar day perhaps
A new bank holiday in the Autumn would best be in October, rather than in November when the weather is likely to be less pleasant.
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I agree. I very much doubt whether whoever succeeds Sunak will still be the leader when the Conservatives next win an election.
The I yesterday had three articles about the leadership. One said the Braverman's continuing attacks on her (former) colleagues were leading to calls for her to join Reform. They certainly aren't enhancing her chances of leading the Conservatives; but if she wants to lead a political party, a move to Reform won't help her as they have a leader who wouldn't be likely to give place to her.
An adjacent article said Jenrick was emerging as a potential "unity candidate", with popularity among younger Tory voters.
The third article said that Badenoch was "miles ahead" of the competition with 31% against 16% for Braverman and others below that (7% for Jenrick). But she would be the wrong sort of candidate because, although the Tories lost votes to Reform, the seats they need to win are those where they are second to Labour or the Lib Dems, and it's unlikely that a right-wing leader will gain many votes from either of those parties. A lot was being said by people like Rees-Mogg, as the results were coming in, that the Tories should have adopted more right-wing policies. But they will need to take time to decide where they believe they should stand, and develop appropriate policies, before they have a chance of convincing the electorate (assuming that no external disasters intervene), and a right-wing candidate chosen as a knee-jerk reaction to last week's losses will probably make them less rather than more electable.
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GRALISTAIR
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Reminds me of 1997 all over again. William Hague was the right choice at the time but with the Labour Landslide there was no chance he would be PM as (not relying on hindsight) Blair was in for a minimum of 2 terms. Then IDS - then finally Cameron.
I think the same this time. Conservatives will go through a minimum of 2 leaders before they win again if ever.
I think the same this time. Conservatives will go through a minimum of 2 leaders before they win again if ever.
edwin_m
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Michael Howard had a go too.
On checking this in Wikipedia, I noticed that the Tories have has as many leaders in 60 years or so since Alec Douglas Hume as in the 130 years before him back to Robert Peel.
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Howard was 'anointed' i.e. unopposed by other candidates: it was supposed to be a panacea for their problems, but proved the opposite! What you probably won't find on Wikipedia is the huge piece of research by Private Eye around that time about a sum of money, half a million if memory serves, that Howard allegedly received for unexplained reasons. The story never appeared anywhere else, and wasn't followed up as far as I know,, but neither was the publisher sued, unless the court proceedings were secret.
YorkRailFan
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Johnny Mercer is facing a criminal sentence:
www.bbc.co.uk
So it begins...
Johnny Mercer could face sentence for withholding names - BBC News
The former MP is refusing to disclose to a public inquiry who told him about alleged war crimes.
www.bbc.co.uk
So it begins...
GRALISTAIR
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What I am trying to say is that the next Tory Leader will in effect be a sacrificial lamb.
Correct, the next Tory PM may very well not be a current MP.
joieman
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Ah, yes, 30p Lee, as my mother calls him. I'm surprised he actually won.
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