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How fast do you drive on the motorway?

How fast do you drive on the motorway?


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jon0844

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You cannot justify high speeds by saying that "the designers probably designed the roads for a higher speed limit at some time in the future".

A road with a NSL sign, as against a specific speed, will be made for a higher speed limit than we currently have. That's fact and I'm sure ALL the details are in the public domain.

Of course there are sections of road where they may have to impose a FIXED limit (that wouldn't change if tomorrow David Cameron said that a NSL sign meant 100mph on a single carriageway and 150mph on a dual-carriageway) and plenty of sections where it might not be actually safe to drive at speed.

Curves on motorways are much the same as railway lines - very gradual. Sometimes roads will even have the camber to aid tight turns. I've been on test tracks where you can happily take your hands off the wheel and accelerate and you stick to your lane perfectly. Takes a bit of confidence to do, I might add.

By the way, I am NOT suggesting we drive at 120mph here, or that the speed limit should be raised to 120mph. It's just that some people are convinced that 120mph is dangerous, which can't be the case given how safe German autobahns are (and usually just TWO lanes, so you're sharing lanes with caravans and lorries).

I do accept the point that we'd struggle to drop the speed limit completely given the amount of prats on the road, but sadly we've ended up having to cater for the lowest common denominator on the roads, on trains and life in general - as education standards fall and people expect to be able to do anything and everything without bothering to do a good job.
 
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A road with a NSL sign, as against a specific speed, will be made for a higher speed limit than we currently have. That's fact and I'm sure ALL the details are in the public domain.

There is a road near me (Manley Bridge Road - streetview it) with NSL signs. Yet, do anymore than 20 down it and you will probably have a head on.
 

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There is a road near me (Manley Bridge Road - streetview it) with NSL signs. Yet, do anymore than 20 down it and you will probably have a head on.

I should point out that I am talking about motorways here, and probably any modern A-road built to a motorway specification. I presume you're talking about a country road, unless you have a big problem with people driving towards you on a motorway (and, that seems to happen reasonably often!).
 

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If someone can safely drive a car with an automatic transmission then I don't see why they should be banned from driving just as they can't cope with gears.
 

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I should point out that I am talking about motorways here, and probably any modern A-road built to a motorway specification. I presume you're talking about a country road, unless you have a big problem with people driving towards you on a motorway (and, that seems to happen reasonably often!).

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you.
 

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Disability and lack of ability are not comparable.
To draw that sort of conclusion from what's been said is, frankly, moronic.

try reading what the op wrote

he suggested that someone who couldn't drive a manual should be allowed to drive
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Ah. It appears we have a person who perhaps has some right wing views in our midst :roll:.

Just to make sure, can we screen your views on the EU, immigration and the Coalition Government? :D

oh dear the thought police are out today
 

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Ah. It appears we have a person who perhaps has some right wing views in our midst

Is that a problem?

he suggested that someone who couldn't drive a manual should be allowed to drive

Again Striker was referring to ability not capability. Someone who isn't capable of driving a manual gearbox would obviously not be banned as they would probably be able to drive one if circumstances were different.
 

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I'll stand up for Striker here as well, it was clear that he didn't mean people with a disability preventing them from operating gears. Just that if you are physically capable of doing so, and you can't concentrate on the road and the gears at the same time, then you shouldn't be driving.
 

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Sam, can I advise you to tread carefully now... People on this forum are beginning to turn on you now, and when that happens it's highly upsetting for all.

Ainsworth... not at all. Merely a diagnostic tool for what he was saying. He's quite welcome to his opinions, just not in an aggressive way.
 

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I've looked up as much as I can on road specs, and will admit that I can only find a minimum requirement for roads to be designed for 120kph (yes, it's designed in metric) so that's 75mph.

However, I have found that the requirements - just like DDA affects trains being refurbished - means that when roads are widened or upgraded, they must be to the higher specification. I guess that can most clearly be seen by the M25, or the Hatfield tunnel (A1(M)) which is now fully accessible, and has clearer signs for exits etc.

So, I am willing to concede that some older motorways may not have been designed as I stated. I can only imagine how expensive it will be to do any major works on them to bring them up to code in future years.

Not that it matters that much, as nobody drives to the limits of the road - as you have to take into account other factors, such as sight lines for one.
 

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Yes, that is perhaps the biggest catch to any speed limit rises... motorways were simply not originally designed with it in mind...
 

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I agree that motorists are seen as an easy target, but then so are those who drink, smoke or use public transport (as public funding is cut).

I think we can safely say we're ALL targets and will always be. That is until we stop drinking, smoking and driving and walk everywhere - by which time, there will be a huge tax on shoes.
 

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I've looked up as much as I can on road specs, and will admit that I can only find a minimum requirement for roads to be designed for 120kph (yes, it's designed in metric) so that's 75mph.

However, I have found that the requirements - just like DDA affects trains being refurbished - means that when roads are widened or upgraded, they must be to the higher specification. I guess that can most clearly be seen by the M25, or the Hatfield tunnel (A1(M)) which is now fully accessible, and has clearer signs for exits etc.

So, I am willing to concede that some older motorways may not have been designed as I stated. I can only imagine how expensive it will be to do any major works on them to bring them up to code in future years.

Not that it matters that much, as nobody drives to the limits of the road - as you have to take into account other factors, such as sight lines for one.

when motorway were introduced, there was no speed limit, so the design speed must have been quite high
 

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When motoways were introduced, cars couldn't reach the high speeds that modern cars can.
 

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Right. And the vast majority of road users could afford a Jaguar E-type...

Most cars today are quite capable of reaching at the very least 130 mph.

Fighting a losing battle I hope.
 

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when motorway were introduced, there was no speed limit, so the design speed must have been quite high

Yes, but like a country road with a 60mph limit, maybe they didn't think about the bends - or assumed people would slow down. And maybe there were guidelines, but not requirements, as I'm pretty sure the big motorways like the M1, M25 and M40 (examples around here) don't have very sharp bends that couldn't be safely driven at up to 85/90mph with ease (a clue is watching police cars that regularly speed!).

Nobody is suggesting that you drive at the speed limit all the time, just when it's safe to do so. There can be few excuses for driving slower, or at least a lot slower, however. Being in no hurry is inconsiderate to others, and being afraid is - well - terrifying if you think about it! If you ever went for an advanced driving course, they'd definitely want to know why you were driving along at 40mph being overtaken by lorries on a motorway. Saying 'A speed limit is a limit, not a target' in the voice of a stereotypical Star Trek nerd won't wash!

But if someone was to set their cruise control at 70mph and then let the car drive itself, turning the wheel occasionally, even as a tight bend came up - throw the book at them!!
 
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Why not use this incident as a learning process rather than a chance to show off your knowledge of latin?

You chose to ignor my twice times sorry. You earlier posted about the standard of grammar and spelling being poor. I'm just trying to up the standard for you by calling on my 45+ years ago grammar school Latin. I have used the learning process by knowing that Gameboy is one word and as it's a proper noun it should begin with a capital letter.
 

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Whatever the percentage really is (because of course you're using published figures), it is much higher now than then. In fact, much, much, much, much higher.
 

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Most cars can top 100mph, and many will reach 120-125 quite easily. Even our old diesel Mondeo would almost nudge 130mph.

So, while 150mph might have been a little optimistic - the 120mph figure mentioned in the thread is probably attainable by the majority of cars on the road.
 

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The top 10 selling cars in 2010
1st Ford Fiesta 103,013
2nd Vauxhall Astra 80,646
3rd Ford Focus 77,804
4th Vauxhall Corsa 77,398
5th VW Golf 58,116
6th VW Polo 45,517
7th Peugeot 207 42,185
8th BMW 3-series 42,020
9th Mini hatchback 41,883
10th Nissan Qashqai 39,048

how many of those can reach 150 mph? not many fiestas, polos or Qashqais
 

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The top 10 selling cars in 2010
1st Ford Fiesta 103,013
2nd Vauxhall Astra 80,646
3rd Ford Focus 77,804
4th Vauxhall Corsa 77,398
5th VW Golf 58,116
6th VW Polo 45,517
7th Peugeot 207 42,185
8th BMW 3-series 42,020
9th Mini hatchback 41,883
10th Nissan Qashqai 39,048

The highlighted cars can all reach 130+ in some specs, the others I can't get data for just now.

how many of those can reach 150 mph? not many fiestas, polos or Qashqais

And your figures for the 1960s for comparison?
 
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