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07andrew

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16184 Has also gone missing! 16714 still not back in service.... Thought it only needed new seats fitted? It's had a repaint and new floors....

It'll be back in June/July, rough guess, It's not missed though! My bloody golly it isn't!
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i bet people from lancaster and kendal cant wait to get on here everyday and find out which optares have been on 46 and 47 and which mans have been on 30 and 31 they should start boring everyone up here with obvious busses on obvious routes its not me who needs to get a grip andrew

What was on Sellafield today? I've got a grip of a computer keyboard at the minute, so in that case, I don't need to get a grip either.
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Errr, what's pointless?
47061 does, just doesn't work.... being a rear display there's no great rush to fix it. 47753's has the one dot thing so it does work, just not programmed on the correct channel.

Me saying about 47061's L.E.D working. (Or not working) I thaught it was pointless saying it.
 
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Yawn again....

For what it's worth I found it rather rare to hear that 34218 had been on the 31A, I could be wrong but I have never heard of it being on there. A very worth post.
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It'll be back in June/July, rough guess, It's not missed though! My bloody golly it isn't!
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Presume you are joking about 16184 not being missed? Its a cracking motor! Lillyhall best decker!
 

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im glad im not the only one that thought it was odd haha whenever i see a 31a its usualy a big dart and there usualy busy

Since been informed the Marshalls and 34079 were often used so not as rare as I thought...
 

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If a Marshall ended up on, it was usually 33167 or 33169. I never recall seeing 33168 on. Rather annoyingly, they always avoided my camera!!!

4 long Darts are needed each day at LL as far as I'm aware (1 on 31, 2 on 31A and 1 on 2). There's 5 long Darts on fleet, but 35247 is off accident damaged. If one of the other Darts are off (broke down, or scheduled service), they're left with B10M, Oly, 34218 or Solo. Better to put 34218 on really, being low floor, and is still a Dart. Could do with more bigger low floor buses in really.
 

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Reays eventually have their 2nd Vario out today on the 95. YN54WWU and has the majority of the Villahe Hopper branding applie although still missing a few Reays logos. The other Vario is out on the 75.

34700 was launched in Carlisle today but is now back in the depot, it is hoped that it will not be used until the Open Day on Saturday.
 

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i believe that makes it an eu run. so i hope the driver had a tachograph in or it would not have been legal. stagecoach should no better tut tut

Pay attention Mr Reays, the route is split at Keswick and becomes X50 to penrith, removing the need for tacho (which it has anyway)
 

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Talking of displays, a Reays 709D was flying around today with "36 kermouth" on.
It doesn't matter what the display shows, its the rest of the paperwork that is important. The driver's duty board will be split as X4/X5 Workington - Keswick, then X50 Keswick - Penrith.

Out of all of the B10M's sat in storage at Lillyhall, they pick one of the worst ones to re-join the fleet for the extra X5 services, starting Tuesday next week. 20905 and 20934 would have been a better choice in my opinion (if they haven't been robbed of bits).

16734 was on 31 decker slot, replaced by 22610 allowing 16734 to go on a school run. 22610 was having a bit of difficulty with its doors.
34616 on 31 too.
 

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Pay attention Mr Reays, the route is split at Keswick and becomes X50 to penrith, removing the need for tacho (which it has anyway)
if you had payed attention to what andrew wrote you would no that it had penrith x4 on the display. if it cant be changed to x50 on the display at keswick eu rules apply
 

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20913 on schools in Egremont this afternoon

Back for the X5/X50 I presume! Should be another out of the cold aswell.
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if you had payed attention to what andrew wrote you would no that it had penrith x4 on the display. if it cant be changed to x50 on the display at keswick eu rules apply

What a load of rubbish!
 
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if you had payed attention to what andrew wrote you would no that it had penrith x4 on the display. if it cant be changed to x50 on the display at keswick eu rules apply

E.U rules don't apply if a display is broken or unprogrammable, then they will put a board up, or a piece of paper to show X50 at Keswick.

E.U rules are suddenly not gonna come back for a knackered desty screen!
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ok whatever im not going to argue about it
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i remember going whitehaven hospital on that once it was dead slow i thought theyd got shot of it

Well they didn't, 20905, 20913, 20934 and several others went into storage, and obviously 20913 is out on Egremont services.
 

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Battle on the buses where the passenger is the winner
Bus boss Chris Reay is going head to head with Stagecoach in Carlisle. Is this a Cumbrian David battling a corporate Goliath?

Stagecoach must rue the day it gave up the 75 bus route in Carlisle. Unwittingly, it planted a seed that sprouted into a network of services across the city launched by Reays, a relatively small company based in Wigton.
Fares have come down and the number of people using buses has gone up as the two firms slog it out ending what had been a Stagecoach monopoly.
Reays managing director Chris Reay made the brave decision - some might call it rash - to take on a company that has a reputation for fighting dirty.
He says: "The 75 goes from Dalston and Cummersdale to the city centre then out to Scotby, Wetheral, Cumwhinton and Cotehill."
"Stagecoach had been running it as a commercial bus service. Then in February last year they went to Cumbria County Council and said, 'this route is not making any money, we're not going to run it any more',"
That is not unusual. Many rural bus routes are uneconomic. The council pays bus companies to run them then keeps the fares collected. It put the 75 out to tender and Reays won the contract.
It was to be paid £153,000 a year to run an hourly day-time service.
Mr Reay says: "The first week we did it we were carrying 230 passengers a day, which was pretty much what Stagecoach had been doing."
"We put on two brand-new easy-access buses and within a few weeks the average was 550 passengers a day."
"Thats amazing. We went back to the council and told them we didn't need a subsidy, we were happy to run the 75 as a commercial service."
"I wouldn't say Stagecoach ran bad service buy they put any vehicle and any driver on it, and if something broke down there was no rush to replace it."
"We put our money where our mouth is and spent £200,000 on new vehicles."
The success of the 75 started him thinking. If he could make money where Stagecoach couldn't, why not undercut it on the lucrative Citi routes in Carlisle?
Reays' Cityhopper network was launched on October 1.
There are now seven routes and 14 vehicles, all under a year old and bought at a cost of £2m. Cityhopper employs 35 staff, there is a depot off London Road and a travel shop in Devonshire Street.
It hasn't all been plain sailing. The timetable had to be rescheduled earlier this month.
Passengers thought the original routes were too circuitous. Services are more direct now but many are less frequent than they were and evening and Sunday services have been axed.
Mr Reay adds: "We listen to what the public want and try to give them it. We did a lot of listening."
"If you lived in Morton and wanted to get to the Cumberland Informary you had to get a bus into the city centre and change. We started a cross-estate service from Morton to Belle Vue and the hospital."
"Our service 70 runs from Harraby and Botcherby through to Kingstown and Asda, where before you would have had to change buses."
He admits that the Cityhopper is losing money. Passenger numbers need to rise by a third if the buses are to continue long term.
Mr Reay explains: "Rome wasn't built in a day and it is getting better but we need more passengers to make it viable."
"The problem is breaking the mould. People have caught Stagecoach buses for years."
"If they get on the first bus that comes we can't win but if people think we're offering a better service at a better price, then we have a chance."
"We try to be a step ahead. When a pensioner gets on one of our buses, the driver waits for them to sit down before moving off and the drivers always say 'good morning'." (Bit silly saying good morning if its in the afternoon!)
"We have loyal, cracking customers who are very supportive. We just need a few more."

The Government's Competition Commission is keen for the likes of Reays to challenge the monopolies such as Stagecoach because competition benefits the travelling public.
Reays' fares are generally 5p below Stagecoach's.
Following Reays' launch, Stagecoach cut the price of its Dayrider ticket, which gives a day's unlimited travel in Carlisle, from £3.60 to £2.90 and then to £2.60. (NOTE: The dayrider price has never been £3.60, it was £3.30)
Reays has hit back with a range of special tickets.
There's a day ticket for £2.50 and a Weekly Hopper at £6 to undercut Stagecoach's Megarider at £9.50.
There is also a weekly Unihopper for students at £5, a Kidzhopper at the same price and a 50p flat fare for children anywhere in the city.
Mr Reay accepts that his fares have to be lower because Stagecoach's buses run more often.
He said: "We can keep the fares nice and low because family firms like ours don't require to make the margins that Stagecoach needs to keep their shareholders happy."
"Competition is healthy. When a company as large as Stagecoach has a monopoly, they do what they want."
Stagecoach is a huge business with bus and rail interests and an annual turnover of £2.16bn. It also has a reputation for running rivals into the ground.
In 1994 for example, it forced Darlington's former municipal bus undertaking into administration by operating free buses and poaching drivers.
A Competition Commission investigation condemned Stagecoach's conduct as "predatory, deplorable and against the public interest" but the finding came too late to save Darlington Transport.
The Traffic Commissioner summoned Reays and Stagecoach for a behind-closed-doors meeting in November related to their rivalry in Carlisle. What was said has not been disclosed.
But Paul Southgate, managing director of Stagecoach North West, is adamant that his company has done nothing wrong. He says: "We know what the rules are and we abide by them."
Stagecoach is rebranding buses in Carlisle with the slogan 'straight to the heart of our city'.
Mr Southgate says that has nothing to do with the competition from Reays.
He is, however, stung by Reays' claim to be 'your local alternative'.
He says: "Stagecoach and its predecessors have been running buses here for 99 years. We employ more than 500 people in Cumbria, many of them in areas of high unemployment."
"We are more local than he is when it comes down to it."
Mr Southgate points out that Stagecoach offers a more comprehensive service.
For example, it provides eight buses an hour from Harraby to the city centre through the day while Reays operate between four and five.
Reays service stops just after 6pm while Stagecoach's continues beyong 11pm and runs on Sundays too.
And he challenges the image of Stagecoach as a ruthless profiteer by pointing out that it is making a significant financial contribution to the new Carlisle Youth Zone.
It will provide cut-price tickets to youngsters attending the centre in Victoria Place.
So how is Reays' competition affecting Stagecoach? Not much is Mr Southgate's answer.
"Not only are there more people using buses in Carlisle than a year ago, there are more people using our buses than there were a year ago."
It would appear that extra routes and lower fares are persuading more people to use buses, which is what the Government and environmental campaigners have wanted all along.
Meanwhile, Reays is working on plans for longer-distance services linking Carlisle with nearby towns, so Stagecoach may yet face more competition.


(from News & Star)
Red text is my own notes to the article.
 
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Battle on the buses where the passenger is the winner
Bus boss Chris Reay is going head to head with Stagecoach in Carlisle. Is this a Cumbrian David battling a corporate Goliath?

Stagecoach must rue the day it gave up the 75 bus route in Carlisle. Unwittingly, it planted a seed that sprouted into a network of services across the city launched by Reays, a relatively small company based in Wigton.
Fares have come down and the number of people using buses has gone up as the two firms slog it out ending what had been a Stagecoach monopoly.
Reays managing director Chris Reay made the brave decision - some might call it rash - to take on a company that has a reputation for fighting dirty.
He says: "The 75 goes from Dalston and Cummersdale to the city centre then out to Scotby, Wetheral, Cumwhinton and Cotehill."
"Stagecoach had been running it as a commercial bus service. Then in February last year they went to Cumbria County Council and said, 'this route is not making any money, we're not going to run it any more',"
That is not unusual. Many rural bus routes are uneconomic. The council pays bus companies to run them then keeps the fares collected. It put the 75 out to tender and Reays won the contract.
It was to be paid £153,000 a year to run an hourly day-time service.
Mr Reay says: "The first week we did it we were carrying 230 passengers a day, which was pretty much what Stagecoach had been doing."
"We put on two brand-new easy-access buses and within a few weeks the average was 550 passengers a day."
"Thats amazing. We went back to the council and told them we didn't need a subsidy, we were happy to run the 75 as a commercial service."
"I wouldn't say Stagecoach ran bad service buy they put any vehicle and any driver on it, and if something broke down there was no rush to replace it."
"We put our money where our mouth is and spent £200,000 on new vehicles."
The success of the 75 started him thinking. If he could make money where Stagecoach couldn't, why not undercut it on the lucrative Citi routes in Carlisle?
Reays' Cityhopper network was launched on October 1.
There are now seven routes and 14 vehicles, all under a year old and bought at a cost of £2m. Cityhopper employs 35 staff, there is a depot off London Road and a travel shop in Devonshire Street.
It hasn't all been plain sailing. The timetable had to be rescheduled earlier this month.
Passengers thought the original routes were too circuitous. Services are more direct now but many are less frequent than they were and evening and Sunday services have been axed.
Mr Reay adds: "We listen to what the public want and try to give them it. We did a lot of listening."
"If you lived in Morton and wanted to get to the Cumberland Informary you had to get a bus into the city centre and change. We started a cross-estate service from Morton to Belle Vue and the hospital."
"Our service 70 runs from Harraby and Botcherby through to Kingstown and Asda, where before you would have had to change buses."
He admits that the Cityhopper is losing money. Passenger numbers need to rise by a third if the buses are to continue long term.
Mr Reay explains: "Rome wasn't built in a day and it is getting better but we need more passengers to make it viable."
"The problem is breaking the mould. People have caught Stagecoach buses for years."
"If they get on the first bus that comes we can't win but if people think we're offering a better service at a better price, then we have a chance."
"We try to be a step ahead. When a pensioner gets on one of our buses, the driver waits for them to sit down before moving off and the drivers always say 'good morning'." (Bit silly saying good morning if its in the afternoon!)
"We have loyal, cracking customers who are very supportive. We just need a few more."

The Government's Competition Commission is keen for the likes of Reays to challenge the monopolies such as Stagecoach because competition benefits the travelling public.
Reays' fares are generally 5p below Stagecoach's.
Following Reays' launch, Stagecoach cut the price of its Dayrider ticket, which gives a day's unlimited travel in Carlisle, from £3.60 to £2.90 and then to £2.60. (NOTE: The dayrider price has never been £3.60, it was £3.30)
Reays has hit back with a range of special tickets.
There's a day ticket for £2.50 and a Weekly Hopper at £6 to undercut Stagecoach's Megarider at £9.50.
There is also a weekly Unihopper for students at £5, a Kidzhopper at the same price and a 50p flat fare for children anywhere in the city.
Mr Reay accepts that his fares have to be lower because Stagecoach's buses run more often.
He said: "We can keep the fares nice and low because family firms like ours don't require to make the margins that Stagecoach needs to keep their shareholders happy."
"Competition is healthy. When a company as large as Stagecoach has a monopoly, they do what they want."
Stagecoach is a huge business with bus and rail interests and an annual turnover of £2.16bn. It also has a reputation for running rivals into the ground.
In 1994 for example, it forced Darlington's former municipal bus undertaking into administration by operating free buses and poaching drivers.
A Competition Commission investigation condemned Stagecoach's conduct as "predatory, deplorable and against the public interest" but the finding came too late to save Darlington Transport.
The Traffic Commissioner summoned Reays and Stagecoach for a behind-closed-doors meeting in November related to their rivalry in Carlisle. What was said has not been disclosed.
But Paul Southgate, managing director of Stagecoach North West, is adamant that his company has done nothing wrong. He says: "We know what the rules are and we abide by them."
Stagecoach is rebranding buses in Carlisle with the slogan 'straight to the heart of our city'.
Mr Southgate says that has nothing to do with the competition from Reays.
He is, however, stung by Reays' claim to be 'your local alternative'.
He says: "Stagecoach and its predecessors have been running buses here for 99 years. We employ more than 500 people in Cumbria, many of them in areas of high unemployment."
"We are more local than he is when it comes down to it."
Mr Southgate points out that Stagecoach offers a more comprehensive service.
For example, it provides eight buses an hour from Harraby to the city centre through the day while Reays operate between four and five.
Reays service stops just after 6pm while Stagecoach's continues beyong 11pm and runs on Sundays too.
And he challenges the image of Stagecoach as a ruthless profiteer by pointing out that it is making a significant financial contribution to the new Carlisle Youth Zone.
It will provide cut-price tickets to youngsters attending the centre in Victoria Place.
So how is Reays' competition affecting Stagecoach? Not much is Mr Southgate's answer.
"Not only are there more people using buses in Carlisle than a year ago, there are more people using our buses than there were a year ago."
It would appear that extra routes and lower fares are persuading more people to use buses, which is what the Government and environmental campaigners have wanted all along.
Meanwhile, Reays is working on plans for longer-distance services linking Carlisle with nearby towns, so Stagecoach may yet face more competition.


(from News & Star)
Red text is my own notes to the article.

I bet J@r can't wait to read that. :D
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47023, 47061 and 47062 on Harrington & Seaton.
47024 on Moorclose 50.
47005 on Moorclose 51.
20910 on short 302.
14234 done a 48.
14234, 16447 and 20473 were on annexe when I was down this morning.
 

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52629 was on the 15.45 107/106 from Penrith to Kendal tonight

This is the part where I swear! Would have been a cracking photo at Kendal!
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Battle on the buses where the passenger is the winner
Bus boss Chris Reay is going head to head with Stagecoach in Carlisle. Is this a Cumbrian David battling a corporate Goliath?

Stagecoach must rue the day it gave up the 75 bus route in Carlisle. Unwittingly, it planted a seed that sprouted into a network of services across the city launched by Reays, a relatively small company based in Wigton.
Fares have come down and the number of people using buses has gone up as the two firms slog it out ending what had been a Stagecoach monopoly.
Reays managing director Chris Reay made the brave decision - some might call it rash - to take on a company that has a reputation for fighting dirty.
He says: "The 75 goes from Dalston and Cummersdale to the city centre then out to Scotby, Wetheral, Cumwhinton and Cotehill."
"Stagecoach had been running it as a commercial bus service. Then in February last year they went to Cumbria County Council and said, 'this route is not making any money, we're not going to run it any more',"
That is not unusual. Many rural bus routes are uneconomic. The council pays bus companies to run them then keeps the fares collected. It put the 75 out to tender and Reays won the contract.
It was to be paid £153,000 a year to run an hourly day-time service.
Mr Reay says: "The first week we did it we were carrying 230 passengers a day, which was pretty much what Stagecoach had been doing."
"We put on two brand-new easy-access buses and within a few weeks the average was 550 passengers a day."
"Thats amazing. We went back to the council and told them we didn't need a subsidy, we were happy to run the 75 as a commercial service."
"I wouldn't say Stagecoach ran bad service buy they put any vehicle and any driver on it, and if something broke down there was no rush to replace it."
"We put our money where our mouth is and spent £200,000 on new vehicles."
The success of the 75 started him thinking. If he could make money where Stagecoach couldn't, why not undercut it on the lucrative Citi routes in Carlisle?
Reays' Cityhopper network was launched on October 1.
There are now seven routes and 14 vehicles, all under a year old and bought at a cost of £2m. Cityhopper employs 35 staff, there is a depot off London Road and a travel shop in Devonshire Street.
It hasn't all been plain sailing. The timetable had to be rescheduled earlier this month.
Passengers thought the original routes were too circuitous. Services are more direct now but many are less frequent than they were and evening and Sunday services have been axed.
Mr Reay adds: "We listen to what the public want and try to give them it. We did a lot of listening."
"If you lived in Morton and wanted to get to the Cumberland Informary you had to get a bus into the city centre and change. We started a cross-estate service from Morton to Belle Vue and the hospital."
"Our service 70 runs from Harraby and Botcherby through to Kingstown and Asda, where before you would have had to change buses."
He admits that the Cityhopper is losing money. Passenger numbers need to rise by a third if the buses are to continue long term.
Mr Reay explains: "Rome wasn't built in a day and it is getting better but we need more passengers to make it viable."
"The problem is breaking the mould. People have caught Stagecoach buses for years."
"If they get on the first bus that comes we can't win but if people think we're offering a better service at a better price, then we have a chance."
"We try to be a step ahead. When a pensioner gets on one of our buses, the driver waits for them to sit down before moving off and the drivers always say 'good morning'." (Bit silly saying good morning if its in the afternoon!)
"We have loyal, cracking customers who are very supportive. We just need a few more."

The Government's Competition Commission is keen for the likes of Reays to challenge the monopolies such as Stagecoach because competition benefits the travelling public.
Reays' fares are generally 5p below Stagecoach's.
Following Reays' launch, Stagecoach cut the price of its Dayrider ticket, which gives a day's unlimited travel in Carlisle, from £3.60 to £2.90 and then to £2.60. (NOTE: The dayrider price has never been £3.60, it was £3.30)
Reays has hit back with a range of special tickets.
There's a day ticket for £2.50 and a Weekly Hopper at £6 to undercut Stagecoach's Megarider at £9.50.
There is also a weekly Unihopper for students at £5, a Kidzhopper at the same price and a 50p flat fare for children anywhere in the city.
Mr Reay accepts that his fares have to be lower because Stagecoach's buses run more often.
He said: "We can keep the fares nice and low because family firms like ours don't require to make the margins that Stagecoach needs to keep their shareholders happy."
"Competition is healthy. When a company as large as Stagecoach has a monopoly, they do what they want."
Stagecoach is a huge business with bus and rail interests and an annual turnover of £2.16bn. It also has a reputation for running rivals into the ground.
In 1994 for example, it forced Darlington's former municipal bus undertaking into administration by operating free buses and poaching drivers.
A Competition Commission investigation condemned Stagecoach's conduct as "predatory, deplorable and against the public interest" but the finding came too late to save Darlington Transport.
The Traffic Commissioner summoned Reays and Stagecoach for a behind-closed-doors meeting in November related to their rivalry in Carlisle. What was said has not been disclosed.
But Paul Southgate, managing director of Stagecoach North West, is adamant that his company has done nothing wrong. He says: "We know what the rules are and we abide by them."
Stagecoach is rebranding buses in Carlisle with the slogan 'straight to the heart of our city'.
Mr Southgate says that has nothing to do with the competition from Reays.
He is, however, stung by Reays' claim to be 'your local alternative'.
He says: "Stagecoach and its predecessors have been running buses here for 99 years. We employ more than 500 people in Cumbria, many of them in areas of high unemployment."
"We are more local than he is when it comes down to it."
Mr Southgate points out that Stagecoach offers a more comprehensive service.
For example, it provides eight buses an hour from Harraby to the city centre through the day while Reays operate between four and five.
Reays service stops just after 6pm while Stagecoach's continues beyong 11pm and runs on Sundays too.
And he challenges the image of Stagecoach as a ruthless profiteer by pointing out that it is making a significant financial contribution to the new Carlisle Youth Zone.
It will provide cut-price tickets to youngsters attending the centre in Victoria Place.
So how is Reays' competition affecting Stagecoach? Not much is Mr Southgate's answer.
"Not only are there more people using buses in Carlisle than a year ago, there are more people using our buses than there were a year ago."
It would appear that extra routes and lower fares are persuading more people to use buses, which is what the Government and environmental campaigners have wanted all along.
Meanwhile, Reays is working on plans for longer-distance services linking Carlisle with nearby towns, so Stagecoach may yet face more competition.


(from News & Star)
Red text is my own notes to the article.

I like how he has not mentioned they decided it was a good idea to remove Stagcoach timetables left right & centre from bus stops and just show the services they run! Bad idea...
 
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