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Well not in every case but as I say I have seen it first hand, people have gone to college and had a social life and a job and put that before everything. If there was a rule that stated for example you couldn't work when in education then the result would be that all people in college would be there as they wanted to and no places would be wasted at all.
90019
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And I know plenty of people who have had a good social life and/or part time jobs whilst at school, college and uni who have done well.
What's your point?
Since you keep ignoring this question:
Let's try again.
Zoe, do you drive?
The point is that I do not want to see college places wasted. It may be that my wording was not the best and that not everyone that had a job will waste a college place but it is inevitable that some will. The question here is what is the best way to address this issue and it could be that a ban on under 18s from working if they are in full time education would be one way.
90019
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So what?
Some people with a social life will do well, some will do badly.
Some people with a part time job will do well, some will do badly.
Some people with both will do well, some will do badly.
Some people with neither will do well, some will do badly.
Which category they fall into is irrelevant. Or is everyone who does badly wasting a space?
ralphchadkirk
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And can you imagine how businesses would suffer due to no student saturday/casual workers?
They are taking advantage of cheap labour.
ralphchadkirk
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:-x No, they're offering students a way of getting onto the employment ladder in a way that can fit around their studies. They are doing a valuable service to students. It's much easier to get a better job if you already have one.
That's what you may think but at the end of the day it's cheaper to employ them and so more profit for the shareholders.
ralphchadkirk
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So? It works well for everyone involved; the student and the employer.
No, the question is why they get poor grades and what steps could be taken to address this.
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The company are not offering the job out of the kindness of their heart, they are doing it to make more money. It avoids them having to pay full wages.
No one is forced to take the job. You will know full well what your wage, terms and conditions will be before you take the job or sign a contract so providing they are acceptable to you then whats the problem?
You say that those in further education should not have a job and concentrate soley on studies so I will ask again, what about those with commitments such as children, mortgages, careers etc etc? How do these figure into your ideals? or is it one rule for youngsters and one for elders?
Also (again)....DO....YOU...DRIVE?
You say that those in further education should not have a job and concentrate soley on studies so I will ask again, what about those with commitments such as children, mortgages, careers etc etc? How do these figure into your ideals? or is it one rule for youngsters and one for elders?
Also (again)....DO....YOU...DRIVE?
ralphchadkirk
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They may not be offering it because they're kind, but it works well for all people involved. The company employ someone who is cheaper to pay for menial work, the student gets the money, and they get on the employment ladder.
You really do seem to have a large starch based rectangular prism on your shoulder.
ralphchadkirk
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So you think we should all be communists going around in hired out driverless cars (except 17 year olds, they should be studying of course!)?
GearJammer
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This is getting comical....... please carry it on! lol
OK, Zoe, let me explain my situation briefly. I'm a student. I have a job in order to finance my studies, and to basically prevent me graduating with debt. I'm a medical student and I have to run a car, because the university will place me in some really peripheral hospitals with very poor access to public transport (such as Crosshouse Hospital near Kilmarnock). According to your earlier sweeping statements, I basically shouldn't be doing any of this, but I wouldn't work unless I needed to, and I wouldn't waste money running a car unless I needed to. (There are some journeys I make by car for convenience reasons. I could quite easily use public transport, but it would take me a lot longer. But some of my placements at uni realistically need me to own a car).
Do you drive?
Do you drive?
I agree! More threads dissolving into the maze of Socialists vs Capitalists and Tories vs Labour! Excellent!
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It is becoming (at the very least) like a bad melodrama.
One thing I'm not quite sure of yet... Zoe, do you drive?
I do have to agree with you though, capitalism is sh*te. Such a shame no-one has yet come up with a better, workable solution...
One thing I'm not quite sure of yet... Zoe, do you drive?
I do have to agree with you though, capitalism is sh*te. Such a shame no-one has yet come up with a better, workable solution...
asylumxl
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I think they were heading in the right direction at the most tense points of Cold War, nuclear warfare would have worked out.
strange6
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Selfishness too, But I suspect it's just pure ignorance at the end of the day
The question was if 17 year olds need to drive or not. Increasing the age for driving to 18 though wouldn't affect you though as you are over 18. I do think also though that you shouldn't need to work when at university and that public transport should be available for you to get to all the hospitals but the issue here is that bus services are run by private companies for profit. I remember the SNP planning to regulate the buses but they changed their mind and left the system created by Thatcher in place.
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GearJammer
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EVERYTHING is done for profit, no bugger would do anything otherwise!
This is heading for all out political war and further away from the motorways. Lets leave out the words 'Thatcher and 'Privatisation' for good. 
I couldn't have said that better myself!
I couldn't have said that better myself!
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ralphchadkirk
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I'll just make it a classic RUK debate by saying HSTs are DEMUs.
*Puts tin hat on*
*Puts tin hat on*
Regulating the bus companies isn't an issue. The thing is that to get to some of these places, it takes 4 changes of public transport because, oddly enough, not many people from Coatbridge need to get to Crosshouse. Monklands is a different story. I don't think a suitable public transport link for this particular journey will ever be feasible in all honesty.
GearJammer
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NO! Zoe does not drive!
It most certainly is an issue, right now the buses are not run as a public services and the bus companies have freedom to go round making as much money as possible.
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