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Prime Ministers train cancelled?

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A high profile passenger would usually involve some sort of driver manager on board the train, wouldn't it? Or maybe it doesn't in your TOC.
Depends how high profile the person is, I suppose. PMs these days are just glorified celebrities
Nope, no one other than the booked crew.
No one else other than control knows, police get in touch with train manager but that is it, strictly need to know, and no extra resource.

Plus on some days like during this current election period, may not actually find out until on the day that someone is travelling as there plans will change frequently.
 
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cancelling a train in service disruption when the train could not run? Yes!

The train could not operate, was no way it could, I knew PM was due to travel, doesn’t matter who was travelling, train could not run.


Don’t quite get why you feel the need to comment? Or are you trying to stir up an argument? Do not assume everyone does things with bad intentions!

To be fair your previous post was poorly worded as it implies you cancelled a train yourself because someone of importance was showing up.
 

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How many times did Harold Wilson get a Royal Navy helicopter from Culdrose to the Scillies (after a fixed-wing flight down from Northolt)?
Wilson commonly took the overnight sleeper to Penzance. Although confidential, at Taunton station manager and shed foreman were very much up and on duty in the middle of the night, as they flashed through, and a standby crewed Western was on shed. Just in case ...
 

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To be fair your previous post was poorly worded as it implies you cancelled a train yourself because someone of importance was showing up.
Only if that is the narrative you are trying to find!

If I cancelled a train for no valid reason, I would be hauled in for tea, biscuits and very clearly explain why you cancelled.

I clearly stated service disruption.

However people on here always try to turn people comments in to things that they are not.

Nothing wrong with how it was worded.
 

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I think we are deviating from the point of the OP. Best get back on track….
 

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I think we are deviating from the point of the OP. Best get back on track….
Yes. He is in Grimsby today so i think it unlikely he would of travelled on that particular train, it was probably just the media who were using it by changing at Doncaster. Helicopter would have been the best option in my opinion.
 

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Why start the thread then...?
The media report at about 0915 was worded in a way that suggested to me that he was travelling by train to the North. I did not know at the time that he was heading for Grimsby. I thought he might be visiting Leeds.
 

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Yes. He is in Grimsby today so i think it unlikely he would have travelled on that particular train, it was probably just the media who were using it by changing at Doncaster. Helicopter would have been the best option in my opinion.
He could still get train to Doncaster and have cars waiting there, it all depends on where he was wanting to visit, so train could still of been viable
 

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He could still get train to Doncaster and have cars waiting there, it all depends on where he was wanting to visit, so train could still of been viable
Yes it would of been viable but i don't think he would of taken the option.
 

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A high profile passenger would usually involve some sort of driver manager on board the train, wouldn't it? Or maybe it doesn't in your TOC.
Depends how high profile the person is, I suppose. PMs these days are just glorified celebrities
Not this one. He's just a rich nonentity.
 

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I would hope that the perceived importance of any passengers doesn't have any influence over whether a service is cancelled. If cancellation can be avoided it always should be anyway, and if it can't the TOC shouldn't cause worse disruption by canceling more trains just to free up a unit.

There really isn't any need for special arrangements with drivers either and I'd hope no TOC is wasting their limited resources on this!
 

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Cancelled in many senses...

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cancelling a train in service disruption when the train could not run? Yes!

The train could not operate, was no way it could, I knew PM was due to travel, doesn’t matter who was travelling, train could not run.


Don’t quite get why you feel the need to comment? Or are you trying to stir up an argument? Do not assume everyone does things with bad intentions!
I suspect it was perceived that you cancelled the train BECAUSE he was due to travel on it - which, of course, you didn't. If it had been Johnson, he would probably have been lying about travelling anyway...
 

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A high profile passenger would usually involve some sort of driver manager on board the train, wouldn't it? Or maybe it doesn't in your TOC.
Depends how high profile the person is, I suppose. PMs these days are just glorified celebrities
Nah just the normal crew. I’ve had the PM and the leader of the opposition. You only know they’re there when you see them escorted off at Euston.
 

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I've just watched the news on the BBC, and he was filmed leaving the station here in Doncaster.
 

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I've just watched the news on the BBC, and he was filmed leaving the station here in Doncaster.
So he must have travelled on a later service if what the reporter said was true regarding the service he was due to travel on been cancelled. I assume he would of had a coach for him and his entourage so if he travelled on a later service, would other passengers in the coach he used be told to move?
 

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A high profile passenger would usually involve some sort of driver manager on board the train, wouldn't it? Or maybe it doesn't in your TOC.
Depends how high profile the person is, I suppose. PMs these days are just glorified celebrities
Boris Johnson famously was on a train in Manchester Victoria that was delayed due to no driver. People were walking along the train taking pictures of him.
 

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I would hope that the perceived importance of any passengers doesn't have any influence over whether a service is cancelled. If cancellation can be avoided it always should be anyway, and if it can't the TOC shouldn't cause worse disruption by canceling more trains just to free up a unit.

There really isn't any need for special arrangements with drivers either and I'd hope no TOC is wasting their limited resources on this!
It does. (Or certainly did in my day.)

Don't agree personally. Getting someone to a wedding, a family funeral or a much-needed holiday is equally important to a "VIP" going to an event.

In my view (senior management didn't always agree!).
 

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It has come to my attention that some posters have sought to question the actions of Harold Wilson. Harold Wilson was from Huddersfield. Therefore his actions, like that of the Pope when preaching on matters of dogma, are infallible. I know politics has become increasingly febrile and fractured in today’s modern world but I would have thought we could at least all agree on some immutable basics.
 

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It has come to my attention that some posters have sought to question the actions of Harold Wilson. Harold Wilson was from Huddersfield. Therefore his actions, like that of the Pope when preaching on matters of dogma, are infallible. I know politics has become increasingly febrile and fractured in today’s modern world but I would have thought we could at least all agree on some immutable basics.
I suppose that that means that Wilson, having been elected on a manifesto commitment to halt ‘major’ rail closures, when his four Transport Ministers consented to 241 proposals for withdrawal (of which around 70 weren’t even in Dr Beeching’s Reshaping Report) and over 2,000 route miles lost their passenger trains, they must infallibly be considered to have been ‘minor’ closures.
Yeah. Right.
(At least the Surplus Track Capacity [hasty elimination] Grants were a generous gesture.)
 

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At this point, the hypothetical idea of a traincrew refusing to work a service due to Sunak being on board would be overkill. He's a "dead man walking" politically, to the extent that any (again, hypothetical) attempt to sabotage him further would be more likely to backfire and provoke sympathy!
 

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At this point, the hypothetical idea of a traincrew refusing to work a service due to Sunak being on board would be overkill. He's a "dead man walking" politically, to the extent that any (again, hypothetical) attempt to sabotage him further would be more likely to backfire and provoke sympathy!

The only time that would happen is if the driver was ignored if refusing to have him up front. I would be exactly the same. More than welcome in my train as nothing I could do about that but that’s as close to my cab as he would get, no discussion.
 

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I'm not sure that he can use RAF helicopters for non-governmental purposes. Though he has paid for his own for personal journeys before.

He certainly can't during an election for campaigning purposes. The only conceivable scenario where that might happen would be a major national security issue requiring his immediate return to London.
 

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Indeed, it wasn't until the late eighties that climate change began to be taken seriously.

Not so - the issue of the climate (as well as related environmental things) was a matter of concern to many people more than 50 year ago. I remember, for example, demonstrations (including direct action) about car use in urban areas, and tree-planting campaigns, in the early '70s.
 

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Nah just the normal crew. I’ve had the PM and the leader of the opposition. You only know they’re there when you see them escorted off at Euston.

We recently had Rishi and his team travel on an early morning service out of Liverpool St. Catering was provided (the particular train didn’t have any booked) and the unit was specially cleaned & prepared. It was also held over and swapped back into service for his return journey.
 

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Not so - the issue of the climate (as well as related environmental things) was a matter of concern to many people more than 50 year ago. I remember, for example, demonstrations (including direct action) about car use in urban areas, and tree-planting campaigns, in the early '70s.
That doesn't mean that it was taken seriously by the government or the press. Indeed, as @jfowkes said upthread, some would argue that it still isn't being taken seriously enough.
 
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