June 2024 Timetable Change

[JonathanH]

Will northern 323’s started running on the Manchester to Blackpool North or Liverpool to Blackpool north be running from today?

No sign of 323s at Blackpool North on RTT today.

 

[louis97]

1N02 (05:14 Brighton-Southampton) was a Gatwick Express (387 203) this morning - it passed me as I walked the dog.
The return service was, annoyingly, cancelled - so no photo.
Tomorrow, I'll discover whether the new timetable has a 387 booked for that working, or whether today's appearance was a one-off

It is booked one, 0709 Brighton to Southampton is also booked one.

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There is weekdays 1N55 Southampton Central 18:50 to Brighton arr.20:35. RTT shows no next service which should form off 1N55. Possibly empty to depot?

It attaches to 1N61 (2020 ex Southampton) and forms the 2240 to Havant.

 

[infobleep]

You wouldn’t be able to do it at those times as they’re crewed by London end crews. I agree a random off peak service isn’t ideal, but unless you’re going to do it in the evening peak in the up direction (like how 1G64 does) you’re never going to find a perfect time.

Currently, there is a 45-minute wait for trains from Guildford to Woking between 10:49 and 11:34 and also, between 18:49 and 19:34.

The x24 Basingstoke to London Waterloo services stopping at Clapham Junction is unofficially useful for passengers traveling from Guildford.

Most hours the x49 gets into Woking at x57. If on time and if you position yourself on the right part of the train and run, you could make the x59. I don't know how reliable the x57 arrival is and some hours the train departs Guuldford later and arrive x59.

Doing the run, where possible, saves you having to wait 20 minutes at Woking for a train to Clapham Junction and saves you 11 minutes on the journey time between Guildford and Clapham Junction, when catching a train at x49. Definitely woth attempting it, even if your train is late as you never know, the other train might be delayed for some reason.

If only the x49 from Guildford could arrive into Woking 3 minutes earlier but I accept there are all sorts of pathing issues so I'm not suggesting it.

Still a bit of exercise between platforms is good for ones health. Just don't trip up on route.

 

[jfollows]

Will northern 323’s started running on the Manchester to Blackpool North or Liverpool to Blackpool north be running from today?

Diagrams in post 686 above show no booked workings unless I missed one … just a couple of units stabled there all day.

 

[Sun Chariot]

0709 Brighton to Southampton is also booked [a 387]

Thanks - and here's 1N17, the return service, on the West Coastway in a rare patch of sun today

 

[gomango]

Is it true that some Dunblane-Edinburgh services are now carrying on through Edinburgh to North Berwick?
Does that mean some Dunblane-Edinburgh services will see some Class 380's

 

[hexagon789]

Is it true that some Dunblane-Edinburgh services are now carrying on through Edinburgh to North Berwick?
Does that mean some Dunblane-Edinburgh services will see some Class 380's

Only one I can find and not advertised nor listed in the WTT as a through working.

Unit arrives Edinburgh 1918 from Dunblane on 2P06 into Platform 19, sits for 22 mins and then departs as 2Y04 to North Berwick; booked a single 3-car 385.

In the reverse, 2Y01 arrives 1858 from North Berwick into 8W, then sits for 6 mins before forming 2P15 to Dunblane; booked a double 3-car 385.

Just appears to be one such working each way.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Is it true that some Dunblane-Edinburgh services are now carrying on through Edinburgh to North Berwick?
Does that mean some Dunblane-Edinburgh services will see some Class 380's

There don’t appear to be any through services in today’s timetable and everything at Dunblane is allocated 385s.

 

[gomango]

Only one I can find and not advertised nor listed in the WTT as a through working.

Unit arrives Edinburgh 1918 from Dunblane on 2P06 into Platform 19, sits for 22 mins and then departs as 2Y04 to North Berwick; booked a single 3-car 385.

In the reverse, 2Y01 arrives 1858 from North Berwick into 8W, then sits for 6 mins before forming 2P15 to Dunblane; booked a double 3-car 385.

Just appears to be one such working each way.

I just checked realtime trains there is a few services throughout the day also switch between the two routes.

There is also a 4 car 385 witch formed a Dunblane service after doing a peak time Glasgow to Edinburgh.

 

[Baji]

It is booked one, 0709 Brighton to Southampton is also booked one.

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It attaches to 1N61 (2020 ex Southampton) and forms the 2240 to Havant.

Is there a page where you know what units are booked?

 

[Andy1673]

It is booked one, 0709 Brighton to Southampton is also booked one.

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It attaches to 1N61 (2020 ex Southampton) and forms the 2240 to Havant.

Thank you so much!

 

[Sussex Ben]

The 1733 London Bridge to Littlehampton is now an 8-car 377 working instead of an 8-car 387, presumably to free up more of the latter for coastway work.

Shame it’s not a 12-car as I expect the additional Three Bridges stop will make it very busy midweek, but I’ll wait and see on that one.

 

[Cails27]

Is it true that some Dunblane-Edinburgh services are now carrying on through Edinburgh to North Berwick?
Does that mean some Dunblane-Edinburgh services will see some Class 380's

As of yesterday there is no longer any booked 380 work at Edinburgh. The Glasgow Central via Carstairs and North Berwick/Dunbar services are all 385 worked now.

 

[ThameslinkUser]

Shame it’s not a 12-car as I expect the additional Three Bridges stop will make it very busy midweek, but I’ll wait and see on that one.

Took long enough for them to make the 0610 Littlehampton to London Victoria service a 12 car despite being standing room from Portslade. Maybe in 2-3 years they'll consider upping the 17.33 to a funky 10 car working...

 

[Trainguy34]

Took long enough for them to make the 0610 Littlehampton to London Victoria service a 12 car despite being standing room from Portslade. Maybe in 2-3 years they'll consider upping the 17.33 to a funky 10 car working...

No, that's too much luxury for us to deserve

 

[Sussex Ben]

Took long enough for them to make the 0610 Littlehampton to London Victoria service a 12 car despite being standing room from Portslade. Maybe in 2-3 years they'll consider upping the 17.33 to a funky 10 car working...

A Burgess Hill stop on the 1733 would be nice too, but I won’t hold my breath…

 

[PGAT]

No, that's too much luxury for us to deserve

Especially considering the Friday service got the axe. Everything else is holding on by a thread

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Especially considering the Friday service got the axe. Everything else is holding on by a thread

No everything else is not holding on by a thread. We aren't in 2022/early 2023 anymore.

 

[DelW]

Most hours the x49 gets into Woking at x57. If on time and if you position yourself on the right part of the train and run, you could make the x59. I don't know how reliable the x57 arrival is and some hours the train departs Guuldford later and arrive x59.

Doing the run, where possible, saves you having to wait 20 minutes at Woking for a train to Clapham Junction and saves you 11 minutes on the journey time between Guildford and Clapham Junction, when catching a train at x49. Definitely woth attempting it, even if your train is late as you never know, the other train might be delayed for some reason.

If only the x49 from Guildford could arrive into Woking 3 minutes earlier but I accept there are all sorts of pathing issues so I'm not suggesting it.

Still a bit of exercise between platforms is good for ones health. Just don't trip up on route.

That won't be helped by Guildford to Woking trains having to use the down line to reach Woking Junction. Apparently this is necessary because of faulty points on the up line, which can't be repaired until the autumn. It's also causing unusual platform allocations at Woking, with up trains from Guildford using platform 4.

Information taken from this discussion:

Interesting platform changes at Woking

Seemingly caused by a blockage on the up Portsmouth Direct near Woking there have been some unusual platform changes today. First image (from Open Train Times) is from 10:00 today. My train is the 10:00 Weymouth and it's on platform 2 which is normally an up platform. This train normally...

www.railforums.co.uk

(Link to "Interesting platform changes at Woking" in the Discussion forum)

 

[LudwigTails]

once the other 387s from great northern transfer over. Will all 387s take over the entire BTN to SOU line? Or even with that there will be 377 running along with it?
And will there be ex-GN 387s on the east coastway too once they arrive that is.

 

[infobleep]

That won't be helped by Guildford to Woking trains having to use the down line to reach Woking Junction. Apparently this is necessary because of faulty points on the up line, which can't be repaired until the autumn. It's also causing unusual platform allocations at Woking, with up trains from Guildford using platform 4.

Information taken from this discussion:

Interesting platform changes at Woking

Seemingly caused by a blockage on the up Portsmouth Direct near Woking there have been some unusual platform changes today. First image (from Open Train Times) is from 10:00 today. My train is the 10:00 Weymouth and it's on platform 2 which is normally an up platform. This train normally...

www.railforums.co.uk

(Link to "Interesting platform changes at Woking" in the Discussion forum)

Oh well, being a positive person, autumn will come soon enough.

Looking at today's live journey planner, most services seem to be arriving into platform 4, 1 minite early. That's actually a bonus, giving one 2.5 minutes to get across, assuming the doors close 30 seconds before departure, as advertised.

 

[Envy123]

There doesn't seem to be an 18:02 Avanti service from Euston to North Wales anymore. So, it's either getting the stopper to Stafford or waiting until the 1833 departure for the Stafford stop. Really puts a damper on the house-buying plans.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

There doesn't seem to be an 18:02 Avanti service from Euston to North Wales anymore. So, it's either getting the stopper to Stafford or waiting until the 1833 departure for the Stafford stop. Really puts a damper on the house-buying plans.

The 18.02 North Wales service is temporarily not stopping at Stafford. Hopefully by the time your house purchase is complete that may be resolved.

 

[Envy123]

The 18.02 North Wales service is temporarily not stopping at Stafford. Hopefully by the time your house purchase is complete that may be resolved.

It will likely be in a year. So I hope it will be resolved then.

 

[DaveHarries]

Indeed. Let us hope it is extended to station announcements, PIS etc.

It has certainly extended to the station announcements. I was at Truro on Tuesday 4th and the 1215 Paddington to Penzance (1C79), which should have arrived Truro at 1617, was delayed and so arrived at 1643. It was referred to on the announcements as "The Royal Duchy" and I had hoped to attach a recording of the announcement to this post but for some reason it won't attach.

I got to Plymouth at 1805 and am sure I heard another named one on the speakers there.

Dave

 

[Bungle965]

There doesn't seem to be an 18:02 Avanti service from Euston to North Wales anymore. So, it's either getting the stopper to Stafford or waiting until the 1833 departure for the Stafford stop. Really puts a damper on the house-buying plans.

The 18.02 North Wales service is temporarily not stopping at Stafford. Hopefully by the time your house purchase is complete that may be resolved.

Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here but there does appear to still be an 18:02 to Wrexham which calls at Stafford?

Realtime Trains | 1802 London Euston to Wrexham General | 05/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 1802 departure from London Euston to Wrexham General on 05/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Baji]

Do you reckon in future, Southern will do what they did in the West-coastway area but in the East-Coastway area For example

2tph London Victoria to Eastbourne

2tph Brighton to Ore

2tph Brighton to Seaford

1tph Eastbourne to Ashford International.

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Do you reckon in future, Southern will do what they did in the West-coastway area but in the East-Coastway area For example

2tph London Victoria to Eastbourne

2tph Brighton to Ore

2tph Brighton to Seaford

1tph Eastbourne to Ashford International.

This will free up more train units and create longer trains on that route or elsewhere especially if there is no southern service is not stretched to Ore

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

It has certainly extended to the station announcements. I was at Truro on Tuesday 4th and the 1215 Paddington to Penzance (1C79), which should have arrived Truro at 1617, was delayed and so arrived at 1643. It was referred to on the announcements as "The Royal Duchy" and I had hoped to attach a recording of the announcement to this post but for some reason it won't attach.

I got to Plymouth at 1805 and am sure I heard another named one on the speakers there.

Dave

Minor pedantry but 1C79 is the 1202 Paddington-Penzance.

 

[Kite159]

Do you reckon in future, Southern will do what they did in the West-coastway area but in the East-Coastway area For example

2tph London Victoria to Eastbourne

2tph Brighton to Ore

2tph Brighton to Seaford

1tph Eastbourne to Ashford International.

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This will free up more train units and create longer trains on that route or elsewhere especially if there is no southern service is not stretched to Ore

Makes sense, make the Eastbourne - Ashford the "semi-fast" train rather than the stopper. After-all 377s pick up speed better than a snail of a 171

 

[ThameslinkUser]

The East Coastway was majorly redesigned a couple of years ago. This West Coastway one is a response to replicate the successes of the East. I can't see *another* East Coastway overhaul for a long while. If anything is to be touched again, I'd imagine it to be the BML now that the Gatwick Upgrade is complete.