Malaysia Airlines MH370 10 years on

[JD2168]

It is now 10 years since the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines MH370 whilst on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Are we any closer to finding out where the plane ended up & what caused the incident to happen.

This would finally make the families of the passengers on board have some closure.

The people who are still looking for disappeared flight MH370 - and why the mystery is so hard to solve

A decade after the Malaysian Airlines plane went missing, are we any closer to finding it? Amateur investigators are convinced they know its location.

www.bbc.com

Ten years ago, on 8 March 2014, Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur en route to Beijing with 239 people aboard – and was never seen again. One decade later, the fate of the plane remains unsolved, and its tragic disappearance has become one of aviation's biggest and most captivating mysteries since Amelia Earhart's plane disappeared.

In the aftermath of MH370's disappearance, a massive search ensued that continued for four years and cost millions of dollars....

 

[edwin_m]

This video puts together a pretty convincing sequence of events pointing to an intentional act.

This one is basically the same story but with more speculation about who did what.

Both point to recent analysis that suggests the crash site might be slightly outside previous search areas.

 

[GatwickDepress]

The BBC released a one hour documentary on iPlayer titled Why Planes Vanish: The Hunt for MH370 which provides a fairly good overview of the disaster and what people are still doing to try and locate the aeroplane without the sensationalised nature of some other television channels, although if you're familiar with MH370 it likely won't add much for you.

Richard Godfrey, the main proponent of the Weak Signal Propagation Reporter (WSPR) theory has been joined by a University of Liverpool professor who seek to explore this further with all the resources and expertise that a university might provide.

 

[Bantamzen]

It is now 10 years since the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines MH370 whilst on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Are we any closer to finding out where the plane ended up & what caused the incident to happen.

This would finally make the families of the passengers on board have some closure.

The Malaysian government have previously indicated that should new evidence come up to offer a possible new search area that they would consider funding further searches. The recent work done with radio signal interruptions that might point to a more precise locations might just be enough to spark a new one. However winter is approaching in the southern Indian Ocean, so it may be a while yet before anything could go ahead.

 

[gabrielhj07]

Can't imagine the CVR & FDR will be in great shape after 10 years underwater

 

[edwin_m]

Can't imagine the CVR & FDR will be in great shape after 10 years underwater

If they can survive a plane crash they can probably survive anything.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

If they can survive a plane crash they can probably survive anything.

Yes, as long as the cases haven't ruptured and leaked, the data will still be recoverable.

 

[EZJ]

Having watched nearly everything that has been made about MH370 I am 100% that this was a deliberate act by the captain, the Green Dot Aviation channel on YouTube made an excellent video which in my opinion is fairly close to the actual events. Why did the Captain do this I don't think we'll ever really know, but I think with some of the new tracking information we may not be far off actually locating the wreckage.

 

[westv]

It's not the first time a person responsible for the lives of their passengers has decided to include them in a suicide. Absolutely awful and selfish beyond words.

 

[dgl]

Yes, as long as the cases haven't ruptured and leaked, the data will still be recoverable.

Personally I doubt they would have survived, water is very good at wicking it's way into things no matter how well sealed and sea water can do a lot of damage once it gets somewhere. Plus if it's deep in the ocean you've got high pressure to deal with as well.
Wouldn't be surprised if the black box is (inside at least) more of a green box!

 

[Strathclyder]

It's not the first time a person responsible for the lives of their passengers has decided to include them in a suicide. Absolutely awful and selfish beyond words.

Germanwings 9525 being a more recent and utterly horrific case of this in aviation. Even thinking about that one puts sharp chills up my back.

 

[EZJ]

Germanwings 9525 being a more recent and utterly horrific case of this in aviation. Even thinking about that one puts sharp chills up my back.

Indeed, the pilot Andreas Lubitz had been declared unfit for work due to serious mental health issues though it appears this was withheld from his employers. A very sad affair reminiscent of Japan Airlines flight 350 where another pilot suffering from mental health issues deliberately crashed his plane into a the water short of the runway.

 

[edwin_m]

Slightly different, there was also the recent incident where an off-duty pilot in the jump seat tried to shut down both engines on Alaska Airlines while under the influence of magic mushrooms.

 

[YorkRailFan]

There may be a breakthrough as to where MH 370 crashed as Cardiff University researchers believe that they have picked up signals on two separate hydrophones (underwater microphones) in the 7th Arch (the area where investigators believe the 777 crashed.)

Signals from underwater microphones could be the key to finding missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 – a decade on from the biggest mystery in aviation history.

Since its disappearance on 8 March 2014 while travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, theories of what happened to MH370’s 239 passengers and crew have been extensively evaluated.Now, researchers from Cardiff University believe they have identified a signal from a hydrophone (underwater microphone) from the final stage of the aircraft’s journey in the Southern Indian Ocean.“Violent” ocean impacts, such as the crash of a Boeing 777-200 aircraft, create acoustic signatures that can travel across the water to hydrophones on the seabed.

If the flight crashed at a speed of 200 metres a second, Cardiff researchers estimate that the crash would have released as much kinetic energy as a small earthquake.The 7th arc area of the official search zone – where MH370 is thought to have crashed – is less than 2,000km from a hydroacoustic station at Cape Leeuwin in Australia.A weak six-second signal was recorded at Cape Leeuwin within the time frame suggested by the search, but researchers say other signals might be confirmed as related if efforts to locate the aircraft were revisited.Another hydroacoustic station, Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was also operational at the time of MH370’s disappearance.

Dr Usama Kadri, a reader at Cardiff University’s School of Mathematics, said: “Our analysis shows clear pressure signals from previous aircraft crashes were detected on hydrophones, even at distances exceeding 3,000km.“In the case of MH370, official investigations concluded the aircraft must have crashed near the 7th arc – the point at which the last communication between the plane and INMARSAT [the satellite telecommunications company] occurred.”

Following the findings, researchers have called on authorities to conduct field experiments including “controlled explosions or airguns along the 7th arc”, to monitor the impact on signals received at nearby hydroacoustic stations.

Could underwater sound signals solve the mystery of missing MH370 plane?

Cardiff University researchers hope that hydrophone data can locate the lost Malaysian Airlines jet

www.independent.co.uk

 

[GRALISTAIR]

It's not the first time a person responsible for the lives of their passengers has decided to include them in a suicide. Absolutely awful and selfish beyond words.

Germanwings 9525 being a more recent and utterly horrific case of this in aviation. Even thinking about that one puts sharp chills up my back.

Yes indeed.

 

[YorkRailFan]

An Australian Scientist believes the aircraft plunged into an underwater trench, off the coast of Western Australia.

An Australian scientist claimed to have discovered the “perfect hiding place” for the MH370 passenger plane that disappeared without a trace a decade ago.

Vincent Lyne, an adjunct researcher at the University of Tasmania, believed that the Malaysian plane was deliberately plunged into a 20,000ft-deep "hole" in the Broken Ridge – an oceanic plateau in the south-eastern Indian Ocean.The Malaysian Airlines plane carrying 239 people on board disappeared on 8 March 2014 as it flew over Vietnamese airspace during its flight to Beijing. Since its disappearance, it has become the biggest mystery in aviation history and theories of what happened to the passengers and crew have been extensively evaluated.

Satellite data analysis showed the plane likely crashed somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean, off the coast of western Australia. However, two major searches failed to come up with any significant findings.He said the pilot of the doomed flight, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, plunged the plane deliberately into that place, knowing the area.Mr Lyne said the deep hole in the Indian Ocean with underwater plateaus, volcanoes and deep ravines could be the perfect hiding spot for the missing flight, according to his LinkedIn post."This work changes the narrative of MH370’s disappearance from one of no-blame, fuel-starvation at the 7th arc, high-speed dive, to a mastermind pilot almost executing an incredible perfect disappearance in the Southern Indian Ocean.""With narrow steep sides, surrounded by massive ridges and other deep holes, it is filled with fine sediments – a perfect hiding place."He said the damage to the plane suggested that it was a case of “controlled ditching”.

“This justifies beyond doubt the original claim, based on brilliant, skilled, and very careful debris-damage analyses, by decorated ex-Chief Canadian Air-crash Investigator Larry Vance, that MH370 had fuel and running engines when it underwent a masterful ‘controlled ditching’ and not a high-speed fuel-starved crash.”He said the precise location of the missing MH-370 was known at the point where the longitude of Penang airport in Malaysia intersected with a flight path from the home simulator of the plane’s pilot-in-command.This flight path was previously discovered but dismissed as irrelevant by the FBI and other officials investigating the disappearance, he said.

"That premeditated iconic location harbours a very deep, 6,000m hole at the eastern end of the Broken Ridge within a rugged and dangerous ocean environment renowned for its wild fisheries and new deep-water species."“Whether it will be searched or not is up to officials and search companies, but as far as science is concerned, we know why the previous searches failed and likewise science unmistakably points to where MH370 lies. In short, the MH370 mystery has been comprehensively solved in science!” he said.

MH370 flight mystery solved? Expert claims to have discovered ‘perfect hiding spot’

Researcher Vincent Lyne believes the plane was deliberately plunged into a 20,000ft-deep ’hole’ in the Indian Ocean’s Broken Ridge

www.independent.co.uk

Many are now claiming that the mystery has been solved, including Lyne himself, hopefully that is the truth as it would be awful to have raised more false hope for the victims' families.

 

[mpthomson]

An Australian Scientist believes the aircraft plunged into an underwater trench, off the coast of Western Australia.

MH370 flight mystery solved? Expert claims to have discovered ‘perfect hiding spot’

Researcher Vincent Lyne believes the plane was deliberately plunged into a 20,000ft-deep ’hole’ in the Indian Ocean’s Broken Ridge

www.independent.co.uk

Many are now claiming that the mystery has been solved, including Lyne himself, hopefully that is the truth as it would be awful to have raised more false hope for the victims' families.

That seems fairly far fetched in honesty. A pilot wanting to commit suicide researches a place where the aircraft will either never be found or it will take many years, and that requires pinpoint navigation to make sure the aircraft is in the right place...?

For what purpose? It sounds like the opening of a Clive Cussler novel.

 

[edwin_m]

That seems fairly far fetched in honesty. A pilot wanting to commit suicide researches a place where the aircraft will either never be found or it will take many years, and that requires pinpoint navigation to make sure the aircraft is in the right place...?

For what purpose? It sounds like the opening of a Clive Cussler novel.

All these stories of conscious action by the pilot assume a huge degree of planning, and it would take an expert in mental health to comment on whether or how that's possible. But it's hard to see any other viable explanation.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

All these stories of conscious action by the pilot assume a huge degree of planning, and it would take an expert in mental health to comment on whether or how that's possible. But it's hard to see any other viable explanation.

This pilot, remember, had a full 777 flight simulator in his home and it had a route programmed into it which was virtually identical to the one the aircraft took until it vanished from the systems.

It is, therefore, something that cannot be ruled out.

 

[EZJ]

There is a very good YouTube video by Green Dot Aviation which is what I think is probably the most accurate explanation of what happened.

 

[edwin_m]

This pilot, remember, had a full 777 flight simulator in his home and it had a route programmed into it which was virtually identical to the one the aircraft took until it vanished from the systems.

It is, therefore, something that cannot be ruled out.

Indeed, there is plenty of evidence that he planned a route to avoid detection, as described in detail in that video in #20 (there's a similar one from Mentour Pilot that doesn't point the finger quite so directly). But none of this really explains why - I can only assume some form of illness that left much of his mental function intact but put it to the service of an irrational motivation.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I think it’s pretty much accepted what happened, it’s just that we still don’t know how or why.

I think it’s fairly obvious that it was an intentional act. The grandiosity is boss level but ties in with how others have described the pilot.

I hope they find the black box and that it’s still in one piece. But I’m not sure they ever will. People can’t fathom just how staggeringly remote that part of the Southern Ocean truly is.

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A pilot wanting to commit suicide researches a place where the aircraft will either never be found or it will take many years, and that requires pinpoint navigation to make sure the aircraft is in the right place...?

For what purpose?

Grandiose narcissism would be the obvious reason why. What’s more grandiose than committing suicide and killing 200 other people and having nobody know how you did it.

 

[mpthomson]

I think it’s pretty much accepted what happened, it’s just that we still don’t know how or why.

I think it’s fairly obvious that it was an intentional act. The grandiosity is boss level but ties in with how others have described the pilot.

I hope they find the black box and that it’s still in one piece. But I’m not sure they ever will. People can’t fathom just how staggeringly remote that part of the Southern Ocean truly is.

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Grandiose narcissism would be the obvious reason why. What’s more grandiose than committing suicide and killing 200 other people and having nobody know how you did it.

However that's a level of planning, that as a mental health professional for over twenty years and many of those working with forensic patients with personality disorders including narcissism, just isn't going to be done. Just slapping it into the sea is enough to achieve his aims.

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All these stories of conscious action by the pilot assume a huge degree of planning, and it would take an expert in mental health to comment on whether or how that's possible. But it's hard to see any other viable explanation.

I am an 'expert' in mental health, I've worked in the field with appropriate professional qualifications for well over twenty years. I've never known anyone suicidal who has planned anything remotely close to the level of detail and forethought that would have taken

And that's assuming that it's where this guy claims it is, which is no more likely than any of the other wilder theories that have appeared.

 

[Tetchytyke]

However that's a level of planning, that as a mental health professional for over twenty years and many of those working with forensic patients with personality disorders including narcissism, just isn't going to be done.

I’m unsure whether you’re arguing the pilot wouldn’t have planned any of it, or whether the pilot wouldn’t have planned to hit a specific target.

In general terms we do know that the planning was done, as the simulator rig in the pilot’s house had covered exactly such an eventuality.

If the aircraft had plopped down in the South China Sea or the Straits of Malacca it would have been found almost instantly. Between the Inmarsat data and the debris we know it crashed in the Southern Ocean.

The route that must have been taken by the aircraft was too intricate to be a malfunction. If the intricacy is at that level then it’s easy enough to aim for a specific area of the ocean where you know it is very deep.

It’s certainly a plausible and credible theory. So is the theory using the hydroponics tbh.

 

[edwin_m]

I’m unsure whether you’re arguing the pilot wouldn’t have planned any of it, or whether the pilot wouldn’t have planned to hit a specific target.

In general terms we do know that the planning was done, as the simulator rig in the pilot’s house had covered exactly such an eventuality.

If the aircraft had plopped down in the South China Sea or the Straits of Malacca it would have been found almost instantly. Between the Inmarsat data and the debris we know it crashed in the Southern Ocean.

The route that must have been taken by the aircraft was too intricate to be a malfunction. If the intricacy is at that level then it’s easy enough to aim for a specific area of the ocean where you know it is very deep.

It’s certainly a plausible and credible theory. So is the theory using the hydroponics tbh.

Did the simulator data say anything about the final destination? I assume not, otherwise people would have latched onto it.

The evidence of the plane changing course abruptly at the exact handover point between ATCs, then flying a course that was unlikely to attract any attention until it went off the edge of radar coverage, convincingly supports the theory that there was a plan to avoid detection even without the simulator evidence. This holds true regardless of where it actually ended up. So we are faced with choosing between an exceptionally unusual mental episode, or some sort of conspiracy theory where the evidence is being intentionally misrepresented.