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Another City Status Thread: Analysis of the Bids

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I've just done some research on Google with regards to City Status for next year (30 minutes' worth!), and have come across 26 towns (only one of which is in each of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales) that are set to apply if they have not already. The deadline for applications is the 27th of this month, so any authority that has not yet submitted their proposal had better get a move on!

Anyway, the list of towns/authorities I have found that are interested runs thusly:

Ballymena
Blackpool
Bolton
Bury St Edmunds
Chelmsford
Cheltenham
Colchester
Corby
Croydon
Doncaster
Dorchester
Dover
Gateshead
Guildford
Ipswich
Luton
Medway
Middlesbrough
Milton Keynes
Perth
Reading
Southend-on-Sea
St Austell
Stockport
Swindon
Wrexham

I have also seen many rumoured entries, but nothing official from the likes of Birkenhead, Maidstone, Northampton, Shrewsbury, Warrington and others.

So here is a quick evaluation of the chances of each location. I suspect some will disagree, but we'll see! :) I have also indicated the top 8 in my opinion.

Ballymena: Likely to struggle against the larger English opposition. I can't see a town in Northern Ireland winning after two applicants were awarded City Status last time (for political reasons).
Blackpool: One of the more likely candidates in my opinion. Undergoing massive regeneration and also a part of one of the largest conurbations in the country to not have a city. But Preston's victory last time could hurt it owing to their proximity to one another.
Bolton: Possible on size grounds, but I can't see a Metropolitan Borough winning when only one winner is expected.
Bury St Edmunds: A surprise entrant I feel, but it has the history and importance to press on and can also claim to be one of the few Cathedral Towns in existence. Likely to be overshadowed by Ipswich though.
Chelmsford: Among the favourites for me. No location on the A12 has City Status (it does not reach London), and Chelmsford is a decent match for Preston in terms of history, connections and more. 3rd
Cheltenham: A decent bet. Cheltenham certainly feels like a city and has the heritage (if only in horse racing!) to match. But the presence of nearby Gloucester would suggest that Cheltenham will not win while large city-free expanses such as Essex and Suffolk combined still exist.
Colchester: Britain's oldest recorded town has an interesting claim to the title - "Oldest Recorded Town... and Newest City". Many in the town do not feel that they should be a city, for it could damage the town's heritage. But as the capital of Roman Britain, surely Colchester has as good a case as any? 8th
Corby: I would be very surprised if Corby win. An industrial town with a poor reputation, there are more suitable candidates in this list.
Croydon: Of all the areas in large conurbations Croydon is the most likely for me. It is effectively London's third area (although Stratford will soon be in a position to challenge that) and has plenty of history, including a former airport among others. But is it independent enough?
Doncaster: Likely. Donny has plenty about it that would make for a good city, including culture, heritage, transport and more. 4th
Dorchester: An interesting one, Dorchester is the long-time county town of one of England's few counties to not have a city. With no city around for mile after mile, location-wish Dorchester has a decent shout, and it has history to go with it (thanks in part to Thomas Hardy). But could its size be a drawback?
Dover: A transport hub with tourist implications owing to the white cliffs, Dover is also Britain's primary link with the rest of the world. But Dover is known for little else and is not exactly large. Not to mention the small matter of nearby Canterbury...
Gateshead: A fair shout, but as noted previously I doubt a Metropolitan Borough would win. Would it really be fair for three of the five Tyne & Wear authorities to be cities - when the likes of Reading and Swindon are ignored?
Guildford: You would be forgiven for thinking Guildford already was a city - until you visit there. Guildford has history and it has commerce, but it lacks culture and heritage. Still, with no city for miles around, it has to have a decent shout. 6th
Ipswich: Another entrant from the massive Anglian expanse to not have a city. Ipswich has plenty going for it, and is a transport hub with its links to each of London, Birmingham, Norwich and Felixstowe. 7th
Luton: Luton has a poor reputation that often deters potential visitors. It has excellent links, courtesy of its airport, but otherwise little to suggest it could readily acquire City Status, and also has the small matter of St Albans on its doorstep. The weakest of the large town bids for me.
Medway: Rochester is a former city that would have been celebrating its 800th anniversary as a city this year had it not been for Medway. The council want the status back, but surely Rochester's history alone is not enough? There is precedent for multiple towns being awarded City Status, but there's a difference between Brighton & Hove and Chatham, Gillingham, Rainham, Rochester and Strood...
Middlesbrough: A fair bet, but another with a somewhat weak reputation. Middlesbrough has a good history but is lacking in royal connections and to a degree culture.
Milton Keynes: Among the favourites and it's easy to see why. Designed as a city, MK does away with its New Town name and shows that planning actually does work where implemented correctly. But does it have the history? 2nd
Perth: Flying the flag for Scotland is the former city of Perth. Perth itself is considered by many locals to be a city anyway, but as with Rochester this alone will not be enough. Could the recent victory of Stirling cause further problems?
Reading: Britain's largest town and a cultural and commercial centre. Reading is a major transport hub and is home to all sorts of businesses, sports clubs, cultural organisations and more. Just about the only thing Reading doesn't have is a cathedral! The A4 has no cities on its route between Westminster and Bath, its original termini. 1st
Southend-on-Sea: A potential dark horse for the title, Southend expect their main rival to be Chelmsford! The subject of a great deal of renovation and with plenty of culture, heritage and history, courtesy of Queen Victoria and others Southend even has a royal connection. In 2007, the council affirmed that they expected to win, and that the Pier will be fire-proof; will the Government agree? 5th
St Austell: A surprise bidder from England's outlying county. St Austell have plenty of support for City Status from Truro, but lack the one thing that truly identifies Truro as a city. Not exactly large and with no major culture, just about the only thing that works in its favour is the Eden Project. But is Truro too close?
Stockport Likely to suffer the same problems as Bolton. Stockport is quite large and possibly worthy of City Status but the presence of Manchester cannot be denied. Does Greater Manchester need more than two cities?
Swindon: Swindon falls for one main reason in my opinion: It is primarily a New/Extended Town and is beaten for the good parts of these to a pulp by Milton Keynes. Swindon has history with railway circles, but this alone is not enough.
Wrexham: The only known Welsh entry, Wrexham already see themselves as a city. It has good history and culture and also reasonable links, even without Wrexham & Shropshire. But is it fair for Wales to have 6 cities - the same as Scotland?

As you can judge from the above, I strongly believe that the winning applicant will be a non-Metropolitan English authority. Reading is my tip, but others also have a decent chance! I have even heard it suggested that an Essex town is likely to win - IF the three decide that only one of them should apply!
 
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Why do places want to be cities? To me the notion of "city" is extremely unappealing and in itself is probably enough to put me off the idea of living there, unless I know the area intimately in another way.
 

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IMO Maidstone ought to get precedence over Dover, being the County town.
 

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As a resident of Milton Keynes since the late seventies, having moved to the new town from elsewhere, it's hard not to be biased here. I've always felt what's let this whole process down is the bias against Milton Keynes from other corners of the country, seeing it as little more than a 'stop-over' town between Luton, Northampton and the North, and that our local council and MP always seem to be unable to promote Milton Keynes beyond its frankly cliched image to outsiders. It's also viewed as 'too modern' from certain sectors, choosing instead to promote new towns with a degree of heritage rather than new towns that emerged as a result of a combination of villages and mostly new buildings.
I therefore dispute that it's a 'favourite'. I don't think it'll ever be designated a 'city' until our council start to promote its image and dispel the rumour that it's a 'concrete jungle of roundabouts'.
 

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Perth certainly ought to be successful, :)

It being a former city alone is worthless. The same could be said about Rochester, and I honest doubt they (and the rest of Medway) will win. Perth is surely too close to Stirling anyway?

I don't see how it can be fair that Perth and Stirling can both be cities when huge swathes of the East and South-East have no city at all.
 

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By your logic, Westminster's too close to London to be a city. Or Bristol's too close to Bath. Stirling to Perth is 35 miles; they're close, but not all that close. Each city should be designated because it deserves to be a city, regardless of the location. Perth should (IMO) be granted city status, as should many of the others on this list.

However, I'd agree with your overall analysis that Reading and MK are the most likely. I've not been to either, but I'd agree that they're probably the most likely candidates, and definitely both well-deserving of the title.
 

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Each city should be designated because it deserves to be a city, regardless of the location. Perth should (IMO) be granted city status, as should many of the others on this list.
You may think that in theory but the reason Livingston would most likely never get city status is as it's so close to Edinburgh even though it would have a similar case for city status as Swindon or Milton Keynes.
 
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By your logic, Westminster's too close to London to be a city. Or Bristol's too close to Bath. Stirling to Perth is 35 miles; they're close, but not all that close.

What are the closest geographic cities? Presumably Westminster and London win but what about others? Newcastle and Sunderland must be a close second.
 

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What are the closest geographic cities? Presumably Westminster and London win but what about others? Newcastle and Sunderland must be a close second.
Interesting question. In addition to Westminster and the City, Salford and Manchester also share a border with each other. Leeds also shares a border with both Wakefield and Bradford.

Elsewhere in the former Metropolitan Counties; Newcastle and Sunderland have got either Gateshead or South Tyneside between them. Birmingham and Coventry have got Solihull between them. Birmingham and Wolverhampton have got either Walsall, Sandwell or Dudley between them.
 

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Ballymena won't get it unless a catholic town in NI gets it at the same time. The only reason Lisburn (a suburb of Belfast in effect, and about as sensible as Musselburgh being declared a city distinct from Edinburgh) got it last time is because someone thought Newry would make a good city and if the catholics have a new city, the prods must have one as well. It's called 'parity of esteem' in peace process gobbledegook, and is the somewhat flimsy papering over of the cracks on which the whole Belfast Agreement is based.
 

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Technically the IOC announcement that the 2012 Olympics would be held in the "City of London" was incorrect then.
 

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One of the things going back through the years was that cities could not usually be exceptionally close together. Most exceptions involved one city which had long had the status and another which had a case that matched others around the country. Would Ely be given City Status just because Truro was? I doubt it. Would Cambridge be given City Status just because Oxford was? Quite possibly. This holds true for places like Salford, Derby and Southampton as well. As a general rule of thumb though, it is very rare to find two cities next to each other in which neither is a cathedral city nor especially large. To my knowledge this only exists in Northern Ireland.

I take back the distance point relating to Perth and Stirling; I thought they were closer together than that (half of that probably). All things considered though, I maintain that Reading should win, and if not it either MK or a location in Essex or Suffolk. I have to say that I am not sure whether I would want my hometown to become a city or not; whilst it would finally give Essex a city of its own (allowing for ceremonial purposes here), I do not believe that Southend should come before Chelmsford, Colchester or in all honesty Brentwood.

Technically the IOC announcement that the 2012 Olympics would be held in the "City of London" was incorrect then.

That never occurred to me...! :lol:

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Something that might be worth considering is the present locations of cities. Thus I have provided a map with the location of all 66 cities on it, and you can see where there are "clusters" of cities. Regarding Perth, it may be a reasonable distance from Stirling but is it from Dundee? I have also included a map of prospective cities, which would suggest that a location within 100 miles of London is fairly likely...!
 

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Reading already sees itself as a city, like Wrexham. At least according to soem signage I saw at the Oracle shopping centre during the last bank holiday!
 

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I think that many consider Croydon to be a city in it's own right, and have for many years. Having its own trams helps, although of course hosting the UK headquarters of various companies does too!
 

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If it was done purely by location then the winner would be either Dorchester or Ipswich.

And Greenback - I'VE never heard anyone consider Reading a city. And I lived there (or very nearby) for slightly over 9 years - my parents still do and my mum works for the council.
 

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If it was done purely by location then the winner would be either Dorchester or Ipswich.

And Greenback - I'VE never heard anyone consider Reading a city. And I lived there (or very nearby) for slightly over 9 years - my parents still do and my mum works for the council.

No-one INSIDE Reading considers it a city, because they know otherwise. But they want it to be, and the council are not best pleased that they still hae no such status. But once you're well away from it a great many people would be very surprised if you told them Reading was only a town!
 

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You ask does Greater Manchester need more than two cities? Why not.. both Manchester and Salford are at the centre of the area.

Bolton has a different ethos and is in the north of the area and has historical links going back many centuries.
Stockport has a totally different catchment area of North Cheshire on its doorstep. This area can trace back its history for a great deal of past time.

Can I take you up on an ecclesiastical point. Can a city with a cathedral be so because it is an Anglican cathedral. Manchester has an Anglican cathedral and Salford has a Catholic cathedral...Liverpool to their credit has one of each.
 
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If it was done purely by location then the winner would be either Dorchester or Ipswich.

And Greenback - I'VE never heard anyone consider Reading a city. And I lived there (or very nearby) for slightly over 9 years - my parents still do and my mum works for the council.

I agree, the people of Reading don't see it as a city (yet), but there is obviously some campaign going on which wants to get city status and presumably the sign I saw was part of that!
 

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I've just done some research on Google with regards to City Status for next year (30 minutes' worth!), and have come across 26 towns (only one of which is in each of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales) that are set to apply if they have not already. The deadline for applications is the 27th of this month, so any authority that has not yet submitted their proposal had better get a move on!

Since today is the 26th of May, with only one day to go before the deadline, I thought it would be a good idea to remind everyone of the deadline date.
 

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Oh goodness, yes... almost forgot my application for Oxted :D...
 

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Reading local news earlier on, it seems that Bournemouth Borough Council have also submitted a bid. Why they did is beyond me. I've still yet to come across a single person that wants the town to become a city.
 
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In my view, Middlesbrough should be a city. It's the biggest town in the country(or at least feels like it). It's got an RC Cathedral, a University and MIMA.(Middlesbrough Institute for Modern Art). It also has a pleasant café in the station, which does a decent cooked breakfast.
 

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In my view, Middlesbrough should be a city. It's the biggest town in the country(or at least feels like it). It's got an RC Cathedral, a University and MIMA.(Middlesbrough Institute for Modern Art). It also has a pleasant café in the station, which does a decent cooked breakfast.

Because Middlesbrough did submit its bid before the deadline, it has a chance to be considered on its application.
 

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In my view, Middlesbrough should be a city. It's the biggest town in the country(or at least feels like it) ... It also has a pleasant café in the station, which does a decent cooked breakfast.

In order of towns without city status, by population, Middlesbrough is well down the list, 12th in fact, behind Poole but ahead of Blackpool, so yes, it must just feel big ;)

Also, I doubt a half-decent station cafe counts for much ;)

I do have to say though that the walk from Middlesbrough station to the Riverside Stadium is just awful, what an absolute dump it was...

Population facts etc here: http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/CityStatus/CityStatusTable2.asp
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All the bids that were received before that stated deadline have now been submitted.

When will the result be known?

Just one will be successful and early 2012
 
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